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 Originally Posted by Robb
 Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
As far as 3-betting goes when are we ever getting 3-bet in microstakes full ring without seeing QQ+,AK at showdown? (unless we're up against a 3-betting monkey, 3-betting is either done wayyy too often or never enough from what I've seen. No one 3-bets a 'proper' or deceptive amount. It's either too tight or too loose, leaving the move open to being exploited). You will actually have implied odds to call and set mine with full stacks since most of the time players who are really tight as these levels can't let go of their big pairs after they re-raise with them before a flop. And the amount of MIN re-raising that goes on with these big hands is so ridiculous, I' m calling with my pair after I raise all day.
I still fold pp's without proper set odds when I get 3bet. Like you say, the min-3bet is a beautiful thing, signaling an "I'll stack off" hand but still giving me 20 to 1. I prefer 20 to 1 set odds in general, though I will relax that to about 15 to 1 in 3bet pots with a solid read. The regs in my game know how to 3bet, though, and they're also nitty. You have adjust the set odds you're hunting for based on the regs at your level.
Flat calling 3bets w/ 77 and barely 10 to 1 implied odds is a recipe for losing money long term, imo. I've seen it a lot from opponents - not often were they winning opponents. But I STILL have the urge to call those 3bets.
Yeah I kinda meant if you know they're only 3-betting a very tight range and have a high WTSD stat indicating the played probably can't fold in these spots. It works if you're up against a really, really bad nit who can't let go of a big pair. Agaisnt better players (or really loose 3-bettors) your definately right about it being -EV. I think against the right player you can get 10 to 1 or so implied, but this would have to be after getting some reads. Implied odds are always a judgement call, but unfortunately it is way to easy to overestimate them sometimes.
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