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  1. #1

    Default Bad Shove?

    Villain calls down light. has been check raising and 3betting a lot, especially to standard moves such as button steals and cbets

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    saw flop

    Button ($13.25)
    SB ($1.95)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($9.35)
    UTG+1 ($1.90)
    MP1 ($2)
    MP2 ($2.55)
    Hero (MP3) ($19.60)
    CO ($11.30)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, A
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.95) Q, 2, J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.65, Button calls $0.65

    Turn: ($2.25) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2, Button raises to $6, Hero calls $4

    River: ($14.25) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $12.55 (All-In), Button calls $6.20 (All-In)

    Total pot: $26.65 | Rake: $1.25
  2. #2
    can't blame you, I'd probably just stick the rest in on the turn, or even fold the turn. You make him seem pretty aggro so it's a close spot.
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    Really? Because this line usually screams "omg I has a set" when villain initiates it

    Also is there anything that can be said about the turn bet-sizing? I feel like it's too big for top pair top kicker. This seems like one of those situations where you want to figure out where that fine line between betting just enough so your opponent calls, but not blowing him out of his draws/potential worse hands.
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    Strongly re-evaluate your one pair hand when being raised on the turn.

    It's not a semi-bluff because draws have crap equity and he would have raised you on the flop. Considering his stack size the turn is already a committing bet because you can't fold for $6 on a blank river.
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    Lots of hands he could have KhQh, Kh10h, JJ+.

    pitty you showed the river. would have been nice to see the game up to the turn or before his river action and just assess from what you can see that far.

    im probably in the same boat as you at with this hand. getting it in on the turn has gota be the way to go if you are concerned about the FD tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnar4
    Really? Because this line usually screams "omg I has a set" when villain initiates it

    Also is there anything that can be said about the turn bet-sizing? I feel like it's too big for top pair top kicker. This seems like one of those situations where you want to figure out where that fine line between betting just enough so your opponent calls, but not blowing him out of his draws/potential worse hands.
    with the raise on the turn, i couldnt see him having anything but 22, QQ, or a bunch of draws. i felt he thought i was double barreling and trying to take me off my hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by technician
    Lots of hands he could have KhQh, Kh10h, JJ+.

    pitty you showed the river. would have been nice to see the game up to the turn or before his river action and just assess from what you can see that far.

    im probably in the same boat as you at with this hand. getting it in on the turn has gota be the way to go if you are concerned about the FD tho.
    KhQH, KhTh, JJ+ is not lots of hands.

    About the hand, tough decision, I think there is big chance you were beaten after the turn raise. But you said villain is very very agressive, so if you felt ok about your TPTK at the moment, probably the best would have been to get it in right there.
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    fair enough, when i was initially thinking about it had more hands in mind. reduced the more i thought about it though.
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    the only draw that makes sense is hearts, but I doubt he would raise hearts there because if he does make his draw he has very little chips left

    so if he SHOVED the turn he is more likely to have two hearts
    with this bet sizing I can only see him having 22, 44, QJ, and discounted QQ/JJ (if you have a high fold to 3b)
  10. #10
    their are better spots to push all in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bigcity
    their are better spots to push all in
    BAH! Bah I say!!!

    Good shove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bigcity
    their are better spots to push all in
    so? If you see a nickel on the street, do you pass it up because there's likely a quarter somewhere else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bigcity
    their are better spots to push all in
    so? If you see a nickel on the street, do you pass it up because there's likely a quarter somewhere else?
    LoL'd.

    If OP's read is right, he's got plenty of equity to overshove the turn. Sure a set is in villain's range, but other combos are too. Enough, imo.

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