Ima start taking notes

[JKDS]

I figure since i play with the same guys every week, and will continue for another 2 years or so, know generally what kind of player they are would be very helpful (o rly?). For the next two times I play, im going to record their limps and calls as well as their raises for the amount of hands we play as well as any player's c-bet%. The problem is i dont know what numbers would indicate what style of play.

If i get something like 50/2, this would be a station right?
10/100 maniac?
What numbers would indicate the guy played super tight or sorta tight compared to the aggressive guys?

And, how often should i be reraising someone who c-bets 100% of the time?

Thanks

[langaan]

I figure since i play with the same guys every week, and will continue for another 2 years or so, know generally what kind of player they are would be very helpful (o rly?). For the next two times I play, im going to record their limps and calls as well as their raises for the amount of hands we play as well as any player's c-bet%. The problem is i dont know what numbers would indicate what style of play.

If i get something like 50/2, this would be a station right?
10/100 maniac?
What numbers would indicate the guy played super tight or sorta tight compared to the aggressive guys?

And, how often should i be reraising someone who c-bets 100% of the time?

Thanks

my views of a station is... - BASED ON 6-MAX
high vpip (30+)
low PFR (5 and under)
and most importantly, very low aggression factor (o.5 and under)
also look at there fold to bet stats for each street. Stations arent capable of folding TPLK/draws etc...

as far as CB'ing, it depends on their PFR range. If their pfr is high, 3-bet more often, if low less often etc.. but depends on position/stacks and ofcourse your hand.

as far as using stats to determine tagg's etc...
here's just a basic idea...

30/4/0 - station/ loose passive
10/8/2 NIT (very tight)
18/16/2 Tight aggressive
28/20/3 Loose aggresive
55/35/5 Maniac?

your 10/100 example is impossible as someones pfr cannot be higher than their vpip.

again, im just a beginner myself.

[JKDS]

whats that third number in say
30/4/0-station/loose passive
?

Otherwise that was very helpful

[langaan]

whats that third number in say
30/4/0-station/loose passive
?

Otherwise that was very helpful

3rd number is their aggression factor...

[Unibomber14]

The numbers that you are discussing, while useful, are geared more toward multitabling online than a live game. If you are planning on studying the players in your home game your focus should be more on:

1)Are they positionally aware? If they are not, then there is really not a whole lot that you have to worry about. Position is the first thing that a good player learns. If they don't know this, then they probably don't know anything.

2)What do they play preflop? This can be determined through how many hands they get in, how many they raise, how many they limp, and what they call a raise with. This is also an important factor in whether or not you should cbet the flop often.

3)How do they play post flop? Do they like to check it down, or are they aggressive on the later streets? Are they folding to your cbets, or playing back at you?

4)What level of thinking are they on? Most bad players think on level 0, or just on their cards. Some players instinctively think on the opponents cards (very rare). It is your job to stay one step ahead.

5) Most importantly, what will they stack off with. In a generally weak game, this is extremely important to know. If they stack off with TPnoK, then you should be willing to stack off TPTK against them. In a cash game, value bet that same hand, and suck the stack out from under them.

All of these points have to do with putting people on ranges, and playing your best all around game. Couple these with basic knowledge of pot odds, implied odds, and EV, and you will be the shark of your game.

[mrhappy333]

The numbers that you are discussing, while useful, are geared more toward multitabling online than a live game. If you are planning on studying the players in your home game your focus should be more on:

1)Are they positionally aware? If they are not, then there is really not a whole lot that you have to worry about. Position is the first thing that a good player learns. If they don't know this, then they probably don't know anything.

2)What do they play preflop? This can be determined through how many hands they get in, how many they raise, how many they limp, and what they call a raise with. This is also an important factor in whether or not you should cbet the flop often.

3)How do they play post flop? Do they like to check it down, or are they aggressive on the later streets? Are they folding to your cbets, or playing back at you?

4)What level of thinking are they on? Most bad players think on level 0, or just on their cards. Some players instinctively think on the opponents cards (very rare). It is your job to stay one step ahead.

5) Most importantly, what will they stack off with. In a generally weak game, this is extremely important to know. If they stack off with TPnoK, then you should be willing to stack off TPTK against them. In a cash game, value bet that same hand, and suck the stack out from under them.

All of these points have to do with putting people on ranges, and playing your best all around game. Couple these with basic knowledge of pot odds, implied odds, and EV, and you will be the shark of your game.

what he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[JKDS]

wow thanks! Im still practicing putting people on ranges but that was very useful.

[swiggidy]

yeah, don't sweat the stats. Unibomber post is great.

An example from my weekly home game, just in case it helps (these come from months of games).
One guy would call almost anything to draw, anything less than a PSB vs him with 2 suits on the board was criminal. Also LOVED Asmall, so if there was wheel potential or Axx GTFO unless you could redraw.

One guy was "thinking" tight. He would raise good hands, give up super easy when faced with resistance unless he had it and had little understanding of position (so UTG raise could be ATs, just like a button raise).

2 guys were nits and would call pre raises with a wide range, then snap fold missed flops.

Those kind of ideas can help a lot. Also if you're having trouble interpreting your reads maybe post them and people can help you think about how to play against the players.

Knowing if this is cash or SnG would help too.

GL

[JKDS]

its sng style, 5$ buy in but its based on a point system with the leaders at the end going to a prize tourney with ps3's for 1st and such. All places get points, and they go up linearly.

The game is tomorrow, so ill definitely post some hands. Thanks for the help

[swiggidy]

Read HOH 1 & 2
Understand push/fold (no one else will)

[Robb]

Read HOH 1 & 2
Understand push/fold (no one else will)

These are GREAT reads - I learned the most I've ever learned about poker in one weekend reading those two books, and HOH 1 (about early SnG/MTT play when stacks are deep) is great for cash game play, too.

IMO, the best thing I learned from HOH was best-sizing theory. How to bet enough to get someone who wants/needs to fold to actually lay 'em down but how to not overbet when you're only going to get called by better hands. I mean he's PRECISE, for example, why a half pot bet on the flop is good but a 3/4's bet is too much.

Of course I learned the theory and am still practicing