Poker Videos-MicroStakes help!! ***HUD POLL ADDED***

[bigspenda73]

Alright all you little grinders out there, I have been creating a series of extreme micro-stakes videos lately ($5 and $10nl) and I am wondering what you guys might want out of the videos to help your games.

I really feel like I play a great style to beat these games, but I rarely play them anymore. What would you like the videos to focus on? How many tables would you like me to play? Do you want HUD stats and PT reviews afterwards?

Should I focus more on PF or postflop? I like each vid to have a bit of a theme, therefore you name it and I'll do it (i.e.-hand ranges, 3betting, bluffing, etc...) for that video.

What stakes, what types of game, etc...? Help me help you!

You have me at your disposal, so someone better respond to this!!

[Pythonic]

3 betting lol, ill just push you allin preflop every time

[bigspenda73]

Sooooooooooo, you're all dominant at $10nl huh?

Ok, whatevs....

[sarbox68]

Okay... dude-stump can speak for himself...

I'll take whatever you got. I feel good in my pre-flop (although probably tighter than I should be on the Bu). So...

1) Post-flop play ... you make it, I'll watch it. Memorize it. Is there a quiz?
2) 3- or 4-table is good. Just 'cause more sh!t to see. Just seeing a bunch of PFR & all-round folds for the blinds doesn't help me much...
2a) (cause I had to insert...) A mix of FR & 6max would be great. I'm switching backwards and forwards between the two. Kinda having problems at both.
3) Preferably $10NL
4) I don't really care that much about the PT stats. They're just an outcome of the play anyhoo. If my go to SD or LP aggression is off, it's 'cause I'm not playing right so I'd rather just watch and learn in that department.

Cheers.

[drtofu66]

It'd be nice to see a video with you playing FR, then another video with you playing 6max. I think it'd be pretty educational to see how one person differs their approach to the two games. [this coming from someone who hasn't played 6max at all]

My vote is for focusing on post-flop, mostly how you incorporate stats into your reads (note that it's hard to read the PAHUD stats in a lot of these videos, so if there's a read you have one someone based on their stats, please say what stat it is you're looking at and what the number is).

Side note-- I read Sauce123's post-UIGEA 6max thread with great interest and watched someone's video (I think it was JeffreyGB) using that style. I guessing that won't work well enough at the micro-stakes because players there don't know how to fold enough and they likely aren't using PT with HUD to fully appreciate how tight you are with that style. Am I correct?

[jyms]

I'd like to see a 9 table $10NL vid playing ABC poker and winning. Show players how to grind a roll. Just basic hand reads based on stats and run over tables playing tight aggro and in position.

[sarbox68]

Yes! Some of what jyms said....

[poker_pup]

I'd like it best if you did 10NL fullring with lots of tables.

You could make the theme "Stacking Donks" and show us how to get donks to bet or call when we have the nuts.

[Zee Devee]

I have never got into cash games, but hand reading and ranges would benefit my game a shit ton.

Do you (or anyone) do any micro tournaments and SnG's?

[Jack Sawyer]

How to (effectively) use HUD.
Believe it or not, I still don't use HUD






Also, tnx for the initiative spenda, ur a good guy!

[bigspenda73]

Ok, first of all my FR experience is very limited; however, I could just read Renton's guide and play off of that.

As for number of tables, 9 seems like a bit much but is certainly doable if you don't want to hear too much thought. I think 4 is the max, while 2 really allows me to explain everything easily.

Full ring is an interesting thought though and I should have realized that is how most people start playing NL.

[euphoricism]

I learned this month I am a terrible full ring player.

[euphoricism]

How to (effectively) use HUD.
Believe it or not, I still don't use HUD

At its most basic, it tells you who is tight and who is loose. This will give you an idea as to who you can raise and reraise lightly (the loosies who are less likely to hold good cards), and who you cannot (the tighties who are likely to have good cards).

Just going that far with a HUD will be an extreme help. Its useful in other ways, but that's by far the biggest one. Just knowing whose loose and whose tight will help a lot.

[bigspenda73]

Also, I've recorded a 30 minute video of myself strictly doing a PT review of a 500 hand session.

Would anybody want to see this?

Side note-- I read Sauce123's post-UIGEA 6max thread with great interest and watched someone's video (I think it was JeffreyGB) using that style. I guessing that won't work well enough at the micro-stakes because players there don't know how to fold enough and they likely aren't using PT with HUD to fully appreciate how tight you are with that style. Am I correct

Yes and no. It's all about finding the correct opponent to do this against. If I am up against a calling station, then no. If I am up against a weak/tight player who refuses to adjust then I keep hammering away. If I'm up against a player who first starts folding too much and then begins to adjust, then I adjust and stop shoving so much.

What I've come to learn recently is it's all about making your opponents adjust and then adjusting to that adjustment. At the micro-stakes level they won't adjust, so you do what exploits their style the most. I.E.-against players who call too much you tighten up your shoving range postflop, against players who fold too much you loosen up that range. It's tough to show all that in a video, and what is tough about the microlevels is that player turnover is tremendous. It's hard to sit at 4 tables for an hour, learn about my opponents, and then start a video. Typically there aren't too many regs down at this level and the fish bust quickly.


Here's my final conclusion. I am going to make 4-5 videos at the microstakes for the FTR collection:

$5nl 6max (2tables, strictly beginner basic TAGG play)
$10nl FR (4 tables, TAGG style)
$10nl FR/6max mix (2 tbl each,lol, could get interesting)
$10nl 6max LAGG style (2 tbl, 30/25ish in PF)
Full PT review plus PAHUD walkthrough, per Jack's request

Expect a video once a week for the next 5 weeks then...

Each video will contain a PT review after each session and each session will include the 4 basic HUD stats (VPIP/PFR/AF/T0tal Hands).

[euphoricism]

And I'll be following alongside with some $25NL videos. Note that the way spenda and I play are not going to be identical. He's better than I am

[spoonitnow]

I did a 2nl 6-max video that lasted about 4 minutes but I had to quit because I stacked everyone at the table. Literally. =/

[Miffed22001]

How to (effectively) use HUD.
Believe it or not, I still don't use HUD






Also, tnx for the initiative spenda, ur a good guy!

good work, dont use HUD it'll slow your progress later.

[bigspenda73]

MIFFEDAMENTS

I guarantee you my hourly rate is higher because I can 4table compared to what I would be able to do 2tabling with reads. Also, I don't see anything wrong with having VPIP/PFR as HUD stats.

And yes, this is a perfectly reasonable place to discuss this topic.

Ooooh, oooh, maybe what I could do is a 2 table video, 1 table with a hud running the other table without one. Anybody know if that is possible to set up? I guess I could 1 table PS and 1 table Full Tilt and not set up the HUD for either site, that could be cool I guess.

[kmind]

any 25nl vids would be awesome but I understand if you want to do lower ones.

[spoonitnow]

Ooooh, oooh, maybe what I could do is a 2 table video, 1 table with a hud running the other table without one. Anybody know if that is possible to set up? I guess I could 1 table PS and 1 table Full Tilt and not set up the HUD for either site, that could be cool I guess.

You don't have to go through all that trouble, just open the PAHUD window and uncheck the box beside the table you don't want stats on. =\

[bigspenda73]

lol, yea, I knew that, duhhhhhhhhhhhh

thanks bud

[bigspenda73]

Ok Ladies and Gents, here's my schedule for submitting these videos, please note it is up to the "powers that be" when they will be released. I promise to submit a video each week for the next 4-5 weeks.

I would assume all of these will be up by the end of September....

Video 1 [$5 6max video-4tables]
Video 2 [$5 FR Video-9tables]
Video 3 [$10 NL 6max/FR mix-2 tables(1 table of each)]
Video 4 [$10 NL 6max HUD/No HUD mix-2 tables (1 table of each)]
Video 5 [45 minute review of a session in P0kerTracker]

In all honesty I thin you guys might get the most out of the PT review. While it seems boring I'll have some cool things to show you that you may/may not have known about P0kerTracker.

Suck on that Brystmar

[Da GOAT]

you gotta drop HUD IMO

[bigspenda73]

orly?

I used it at $10nl and it helped a lot. I'll add in a poll.

[Xianti]

Technical question. How do you intend to show 9 tables in the recording? Using the same resolution/capture settings as your current videos?

I only ask because if you increase the size of the screen area you're capturing to show all 9 tables at once, the cards may not be legible enough when the video is played back at the fixed-resolution of our video player.

If you're keeping the same screen area for capture as your current videos, but are overlapping the 9 tables, the video will be fine, but you'll be doing a lot of table-juggling.

I was guessing that 4-tabling is about much as these videos should show for the sake of card legibility. But in any case, it's worth a try to see how far we can push it.

[bigspenda73]

Well we gonna try,

I'll load up PS and check that out, FWIW I can 9tbl with no overlap on stars.

[Da GOAT]

ppl who play 10NL wont have bought HUD yet, you dont need it IMO. just make reads etc as it makes vids more interesting

[spoonitnow]

lol, yea, I knew that, duhhhhhhhhhhhh

thanks bud

np

[Plitz]

bigspenda73,Thx for your time and effort as I will be waiting for these vids.But can someone tell me what HUD is or post a link to one? THX....

[kmind]

bigspenda73,Thx for your time and effort as I will be waiting for these vids.But can someone tell me what HUD is or post a link to one? THX....

http://pokeracesoftware.com/ That's the PAHud. You'll need Poker Tracker running with it but basically it gives you stats right on the tables you are playing. You can edit and adjust what kind of stats you want to see too.

[Ash256]

I remember back in the day playing microstakes, what I'd have loved was explanations of the basic concepts of play - ranges, mathematical implied odds (i have a PP and I'm getting 15:1 on his stack), etc. cause I knew that TPTK was a good hand and I knew bottom pair was a shitty hand but I didn't really understand why.

[sarbox68]

I'm definitely w/ Ash on this one... Spenda - the thing I've liked most about your current vids is you walking through the thought process your using for the more challenging hands. The PFR stuff is mostly snap, and then there's a lot of cbet and fold that's not a big deal. But the 15% or so of hands that get bizy are where your detailed walk through is huge! And these are the hands where I lose the most dough... Just a thunk.

[euphoricism]

any 25nl vids would be awesome but I understand if you want to do lower ones.

I'm taking care of the 25NL ones. I'm still having some technical issues, but as soon as I get them ironed out you'll have more videos than you can watch ;p

[spoonitnow]

any 25nl vids would be awesome but I understand if you want to do lower ones.

I'm taking care of the 25NL ones. I'm still having some technical issues, but as soon as I get them ironed out you'll have more videos than you can watch ;p

i still wish i could 40-table 10nl for a vid

[kmind]

any 25nl vids would be awesome but I understand if you want to do lower ones.

I'm taking care of the 25NL ones. I'm still having some technical issues, but as soon as I get them ironed out you'll have more videos than you can watch ;p

Noticed you said something earlier about that, that's awesome. Really appreciate it, Euph.

[sarbox68]

On a related note...

Couldn't sleep last night (FWIW, don't drink two of those 5-hour energy drinks at one shot...) so opened up 10 tables in mini-mode on UB $2NL and ONLY set mined. (No really, don't drink two of those at the same time... )

I closed out two hours up $14. Wheeeeeeeeeee!

[bigspenda73]

OK, if I don't use a HUD I will only 2 table

It will make for better commentary but less hands played. However, I have a bit of a lesson plan thought out for you guys, therefore it will give me more time to speak about these things.

[bigspenda73]

Technical question. How do you intend to show 9 tables in the recording? Using the same resolution/capture settings as your current videos?

I only ask because if you increase the size of the screen area you're capturing to show all 9 tables at once, the cards may not be legible enough when the video is played back at the fixed-resolution of our video player.

If you're keeping the same screen area for capture as your current videos, but are overlapping the 9 tables, the video will be fine, but you'll be doing a lot of table-juggling.

I was guessing that 4-tabling is about much as these videos should show for the sake of card legibility. But in any case, it's worth a try to see how far we can push it.

Shows what you know, 9tables worked. I tiled them on my 1600x1200 monitor and that's the video size I used. It might be a big-ass file but screw that, that was tough and I'm sticking with it.

Except it's $2nl.....

[uscheese]

How about a video on how to hit a low fade

[biondino]

I'd rather have more talking and explanation, and fewer tables. More than 2 is REALLY difficult to follow/see.

[bigspenda73]

yea, I'm gonna stick to 2tables

[Xianti]

Shows what you know, 9tables worked. I tiled them on my 1600x1200 monitor and that's the video size I used.

This same video, when processed to the FLV player's fixed resolution of 800x600, will be more pixelated and not as clear as what you're seeing at 1600x1200.

But we'll try it and see how it looks.

[bigspenda73]

Bump for Bigspenda's Micro-Stakes Video 1.

Check it out in the FTR Poker Videos Section!

[Plitz]

Nice! I'm headed there right now..

[bigspenda73]

BTW PLEASE REVIEW THESE!!

It will only help me make the next videos better. Don't worry about my feelings, I don't have any.

[Miffed22001]

you gotta drop HUD IMO

belated reply to this so sorry all.

When you play small stakes games, regardless of site, your opponents will suck.
They will make mistakes, they will play their cards etc and do stuff you can watch and take advantage of.

Sure, i absolutly (fuck spelling) agree that HUD can help you with these attributes. But my arghuement has always been that you need to learn to play before you ever think about using HUDs.
For example, you need to find that 'feeling' top pros/decent players talk about when they think their hand is no good. That just doesnt mean when they make a sick lay down with quads to a straight flush or some rubbish, just when you have 88 on the button and the other guy calls your flop bet on an iffy board and you get a river.
You need to get the feel of this hand when you may actually be good calling here. HUD can tell you stats and whatnot but it doesnt substitute for the graft of watching and taking part in hand after hand.
Sure, after a while grinding at 100nl you can sit in any game below that, open 200000 tables and rape the fish, but you have to put the hard time in.
Ive said it before, if you play with a HUD below 200nl you miss out on the action of 'feeling' each hand rather than mechanically looking into a decision based on numbers.
Sure, the game is about math BUT its about hand reading skills too, which come from observation and time spent playing.
If you have to watch and learn you opps rather than looking at numbers you will learn exactly where to exploit them.
WHile it doesnt seem possible now, at 25nl everyone makes bad plays and you dont need a HUD to tell you that. AT 600nl you can argue that you do to a certain extent.

[Xianti]

Discuss Spenda's micro-stakes videos here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-59707.htm

Please be sure to RATE them after you watch them!

[jyms]

When you play small stakes games, regardless of site, your opponents will suck.
They will make mistakes, they will play their cards etc and do stuff you can watch and take advantage of.

Sure, i absolutly (fuck spelling) agree that HUD can help you with these attributes. But my arghuement has always been that you need to learn to play before you ever think about using HUDs.
For example, you need to find that 'feeling' top pros/decent players talk about when they think their hand is no good. That just doesnt mean when they make a sick lay down with quads to a straight flush or some rubbish, just when you have 88 on the button and the other guy calls your flop bet on an iffy board and you get a river.
You need to get the feel of this hand when you may actually be good calling here. HUD can tell you stats and whatnot but it doesnt substitute for the graft of watching and taking part in hand after hand.
Sure, after a while grinding at 100nl you can sit in any game below that, open 200000 tables and rape the fish, but you have to put the hard time in.
Ive said it before, if you play with a HUD below 200nl you miss out on the action of 'feeling' each hand rather than mechanically looking into a decision based on numbers.
Sure, the game is about math BUT its about hand reading skills too, which come from observation and time spent playing.
If you have to watch and learn you opps rather than looking at numbers you will learn exactly where to exploit them.
While it doesnt seem possible now, at 25nl everyone makes bad plays and you dont need a HUD to tell you that. AT 600nl you can argue that you do to a certain extent.

I think that from what I have learned from my game, and what I didn't learn before, it's not the Hud that causes the problem, it's that using Hud lets you think you can multitable without reads. Playing 4+ tables and using Hud made my game stagnate to the point of not being able to get past the $50NL/$100NL levels. I think I, and anyone, would be much better using just the VP$P/PFR%/AF/HANDS stats and 2 tableing instead. I don't see anything wrong with having those stats on the tables and getting recognition right away of the better/tighter players, but playing more than 2 tables is about excitement and not learning the game. I easily double my winrate when 2 tableing now or in the past. I play 2 everytime I move up at first.

Try two tables, eliminate all but those 4 stats, and watch your game accelerate. In less than 2 weeks of doing this all the time I have learned so much more about the game, hand ranges and reads than 2 years of 4+tables and 20+ Hud stats.

[Miffed22001]

When you play small stakes games, regardless of site, your opponents will suck.
They will make mistakes, they will play their cards etc and do stuff you can watch and take advantage of.

Sure, i absolutly (fuck spelling) agree that HUD can help you with these attributes. But my arghuement has always been that you need to learn to play before you ever think about using HUDs.
For example, you need to find that 'feeling' top pros/decent players talk about when they think their hand is no good. That just doesnt mean when they make a sick lay down with quads to a straight flush or some rubbish, just when you have 88 on the button and the other guy calls your flop bet on an iffy board and you get a river.
You need to get the feel of this hand when you may actually be good calling here. HUD can tell you stats and whatnot but it doesnt substitute for the graft of watching and taking part in hand after hand.
Sure, after a while grinding at 100nl you can sit in any game below that, open 200000 tables and rape the fish, but you have to put the hard time in.
Ive said it before, if you play with a HUD below 200nl you miss out on the action of 'feeling' each hand rather than mechanically looking into a decision based on numbers.
Sure, the game is about math BUT its about hand reading skills too, which come from observation and time spent playing.
If you have to watch and learn you opps rather than looking at numbers you will learn exactly where to exploit them.
While it doesnt seem possible now, at 25nl everyone makes bad plays and you dont need a HUD to tell you that. AT 600nl you can argue that you do to a certain extent.

I think that from what I have learned from my game, and what I didn't learn before, it's not the Hud that causes the problem, it's that using Hud lets you think you can multitable without reads. Playing 4+ tables and using Hud made my game stagnate to the point of not being able to get past the $50NL/$100NL levels. I think I, and anyone, would be much better using just the VP$P/PFR%/AF/HANDS stats and 2 tableing instead. I don't see anything wrong with having those stats on the tables and getting recognition right away of the better/tighter players, but playing more than 2 tables is about excitement and not learning the game. I easily double my winrate when 2 tableing now or in the past. I play 2 everytime I move up at first.

Try two tables, eliminate all but those 4 stats, and watch your game accelerate. In less than 2 weeks of doing this all the time I have learned so much more about the game, hand ranges and reads than 2 years of 4+tables and 20+ Hud stats.

still dont agree.

You should have to manually figure out what type of player each is without a stat help so you can auto-identify when you sit at any table before you even see HUD stats.

[Seasider]

I become a losing player with HUD (wierd perhaps) and winning when I force myself to watch the play (both in hands I am involved with and not) over less tables and take lots of notes.

I keep forgetting and remembering this.

Enjoying the videos bigspenda, ty for making them.