Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
When you play small stakes games, regardless of site, your opponents will suck.
They will make mistakes, they will play their cards etc and do stuff you can watch and take advantage of.

Sure, i absolutly (fuck spelling) agree that HUD can help you with these attributes. But my arghuement has always been that you need to learn to play before you ever think about using HUDs.
For example, you need to find that 'feeling' top pros/decent players talk about when they think their hand is no good. That just doesnt mean when they make a sick lay down with quads to a straight flush or some rubbish, just when you have 88 on the button and the other guy calls your flop bet on an iffy board and you get a river.
You need to get the feel of this hand when you may actually be good calling here. HUD can tell you stats and whatnot but it doesnt substitute for the graft of watching and taking part in hand after hand.
Sure, after a while grinding at 100nl you can sit in any game below that, open 200000 tables and rape the fish, but you have to put the hard time in.
Ive said it before, if you play with a HUD below 200nl you miss out on the action of 'feeling' each hand rather than mechanically looking into a decision based on numbers.
Sure, the game is about math BUT its about hand reading skills too, which come from observation and time spent playing.
If you have to watch and learn you opps rather than looking at numbers you will learn exactly where to exploit them.
While it doesnt seem possible now, at 25nl everyone makes bad plays and you dont need a HUD to tell you that. AT 600nl you can argue that you do to a certain extent.
I think that from what I have learned from my game, and what I didn't learn before, it's not the Hud that causes the problem, it's that using Hud lets you think you can multitable without reads. Playing 4+ tables and using Hud made my game stagnate to the point of not being able to get past the $50NL/$100NL levels. I think I, and anyone, would be much better using just the VP$P/PFR%/AF/HANDS stats and 2 tableing instead. I don't see anything wrong with having those stats on the tables and getting recognition right away of the better/tighter players, but playing more than 2 tables is about excitement and not learning the game. I easily double my winrate when 2 tableing now or in the past. I play 2 everytime I move up at first.

Try two tables, eliminate all but those 4 stats, and watch your game accelerate. In less than 2 weeks of doing this all the time I have learned so much more about the game, hand ranges and reads than 2 years of 4+tables and 20+ Hud stats.