4nl(shallow) 55 in BB vs. BU limp

[WeldPhaser]

Villain is 58/34/9 (3b=2/22 both in blinds). cbet'inPOS=50(6/12) Ftocbet= 100(3/3).

He's limp called w/ A7s .

Here, since this guys been so passive post flop. and he's limping , the BU I decide to iso. I think I have a ton of fold equity on this flop. obv i'm letting it go vs. any resistance.

I'm just curious what you guys think about my line and how you would play it.


Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.90
BTN: $1.82
SB: $2.05
Hero (BB): $2.15

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 5 5

fold, BTN calls $0.04, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.42, 2 players) 3 K J
Hero bets $0.28,

[rpm]

i probably just check. i dont mind bumping it to iso him here with a wide-ish range because his range is somewhat capped pre and he folds heaps on flops, but i'd prefer to have a hand that will flop better more often than 55. suited picture cards or one-gapper type things.

as played CB smaller. i assume you only plan to "one and done" on the flop, and this texture means he likely either has Kx/Jx/a 4+ out draw and wont be folding to one bet, or he's missed and wouldn't call as much as $0.15 (i'd go $0.2 but whatever). so save yourself a couple of BB's the times he has picked up a piece and just bet like twenty cents. we're only really looking to fold out his "air with equity" range like A2-A9s, 75s+,86s+,97s+ type hands. twenty cents is easily enough to accomplish that and betting more seems like burning money given we have so little pot equity when he calls, and (i assume) we aren't planning on winning the pot at any later point in the hand by double or triple barreling (which we shouldnt be, with a hand like QT ok maybe but we need some pot equity to even start considering doing that vs this guy imo)

edit: sorry for the long post, forgot to mention: betting smaller obviously also means we need him to fold a smaller % for our bet to be +EV in a vacuum. so even if villain folds 95% of the time, a bet of $0.15 has a higher EV than a bet of $0.25. because we save money the 5% times he calls when we have <10% pot equity and will basically never get another cent back from the pot

[OngBonga]

Do you know what "iso" means? It's short for isolate. Since we're bb and he's the only person in the hand, we already have him isolated.
So, pre flop, we're bloating a pot out of position with a hand that flops like shit vs some guy who probably doesn't fold any piece. We're much, much better off saving ourselves 16c and setmining him for free, since we can get stacks in regardless when we hit.
And you don't have a ton of fold equity on flop, you have some. Maybe he folds 66, but with these stats maybe he doesn't.
This is spew imo. Check pre, c/f this flop.

[rpm]

if we bet 18c we only need him to fold ~30% of the time in a vacuum. its slightly less given we have 5% turn equity with reasonable implieds (if we turn a set, he's not going to fold to one more bet, and he'll call three streets with any Kx). given villain raises a reasonable amount preflop, i think the shitty low-mid SC's, gappers and Axs hands which have equity vs hero (probably a decent chunk of the range he limps) alone would yield hero a high enough fold % for a <1/2P CB to be +EV. villain has actually shown to be at least somewhat fit-or-fold postflop so far (3/3 fold to CB).

though yeah i agree just check pre with this hand.

[rpm]

ps, weld, if you are playing these stakes/stacks purely to get the rust off your game, imo you'd be better playing 2nl for 100bb (assuming you plan to get back to playing 100bb games as your bread+butter) than playing these 50bb games. could just be a personal thing though.

[kmind]

I just check preflop but if I raise then it's with the intentions of cbetting a ton of flops and this is one I'd cbet. And yep I'd cbet a little smaller.

[WeldPhaser]

ps, weld, if you are playing these stakes/stacks purely to get the rust off your game, imo you'd be better playing 2nl for 100bb (assuming you plan to get back to playing 100bb games as your bread+butter) than playing these 50bb games. could just be a personal thing though.

Actually. I just started back on 100bb's today rpm. I'm assuming your reasoning is that it's the game I will be playing so why play something different to get re-adjusted right??

I had just been rolled to short to do so, but I'm back in it now...

[rpm]

Actually. I just started back on 100bb's today rpm. I'm assuming your reasoning is that it's the game I will be playing so why play something different to get re-adjusted right??

I had just been rolled to short to do so, but I'm back in it now...

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[maverick007]

RPM, why would you want to cbet less than half pot here? Is it just so that we wont need too many folds to show a +EV? Aren't you displaying weakness by betting less than half pot here when you miss the flop? How would you play here if you hit your set? Is it gonna be the same bet size?

Did you base your decision based on the villain's stats, or is it just a general line of thought?

[rpm]

RPM, why would you want to cbet less than half pot here? Is it just so that we wont need too many folds to show a +EV?

basically, yes. the smaller we bet here the higher the EV, because we have so little pot equity and depend so much on fold equity

Aren't you displaying weakness by betting less than half pot here when you miss the flop?

perhaps, but as i mentioned i'm not really expecting villain to fold a half decent hand, but looking to get folds from the hands which have reasonable equity against us, which i imagine he'll just fold without too much though. though that said we might get folds from some better hands, like 66-99 if he ever limps them.

How would you play here if you hit your set? Is it gonna be the same bet size?

Did you base your decision based on the villain's stats, or is it just a general line of thought?

with sets i'd probably bet bigger because this guy has no idea about bet-sizing balance and i want to maximise my EV with those hands. i based my decision around what i saw as having the greatest EV in a vacuum. against thinking players i would need to be a bit more balanced because they will realise 1/2 pot means a CB with a weak range and full pot means i have the nuts and want value. against this guy i don't think that's really relevant.

[WeldPhaser]

. i based my decision around what i saw as having the greatest EV in a vacuum. against thinking players i would need to be a bit more balanced because they will realise 1/2 pot means a CB with a weak range and full pot means i have the nuts and want value. against this guy i don't think that's really relevant.

Y know ths is such a relevant statement(As I'm paddling around my kitchen because this little storm attacking my general hemisphere).

No but really it is. especially at 4nl where a lot of these guys are just horrible. The thing is I had never really deviated from the standard till this morning. I did almost exactly what rpm said vs. an atm machine. he hadn't the slightest idea of the changes I was making, and I def made more money when that ws the case, and saved it when by bwtting smaller,,,,

It should be said though that you def have to be careful doing this , Make sure you know the opp is a fish before you unmask you bet sizing

[WeldPhaser]

I'd also like to mention that . ya know , i def see why doing this w/ 55 isn't the greatest play...

It all goes along w/ making a plan. Say for this making a plan for the turn here preflop.... I am honestly not doing that to much... Basically i'm looking at the board if it hit my opponents range, they im cbetting..

it's really a one-dimensional thought process, and one I want to change. Like now i totally see why it would be better to do this w/ say QTs, KJs, even T8s.. hands thst really the the possibility of getting to the turn w. some equity behind a db if that's the line I take....

I say this cause I just want to let everyone know where I'm at w/ that aspect of my game, and mabe get some thoughts on how to make making a plan for future streets easier....

Hope that makes sense

[Arjonius]

It would be better to avoid inflating pots with marginal hands OOP against opponents who don't like to fold. At the lowest levels, you get plenty of opportunities to play pots in more favorable situations. They fall in your lap, so there isn't a great need to create even more action.

[Fnord]

Not the ideal hand to do this with, but this line is pretty darn standard with 2 napkins.

[WeldPhaser]

What ya like better fnord? QTs, A9s, T9s,

What about off-suit B-ways. There kinda tough for me to comfortably play vs. anyone playing back post- fl'

[Fnord]

What ya like better fnord?

I like just taking a flop with small pairs against the player described.

Raising suited broadways, KQ, Aj+, etc. and 99+ for value.

Raising other shit from time to time because he calls pre-flop and folds the flop too much.

[supa]

ps, weld, if you are playing these stakes/stacks purely to get the rust off your game, imo you'd be better playing 2nl for 100bb (assuming you plan to get back to playing 100bb games as your bread+butter) than playing these 50bb games. could just be a personal thing though.

Just to clarify for weld cuz I think he didn't, 4nl is the lowest stake on revolution.