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    Default to c-bet or no? a few simple hands

    a few pretty standard seeming "c-bet??" spots.
    thoughts?

    hand 1
    my image is active. Button is 18-15-7 (vpip-pfr-3b) over decent sample. He has low fold to flop c-bet 43% and fold to turn cbet 33%, low raise flop c-bet 5%, high bet vs missed c-bet 80%. I c-bet just over 55% and he has be as 18-14-4. Cbet? plan? sizing?


    MP2 ($20.20)
    MP3 ($66.65)
    CO ($19.25)
    Button ($50)
    SB ($50)
    BB ($164)
    UTG ($23.05)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($50.90)
    MP1 ($43.50)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
    1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 4 folds, Button

    calls $1.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($4.25) 2, 4, 7 (2 players)
    hero??

    hand 2
    villain here is solid 3+ptBB winner south american pro. Beats 100nl as well. 20-15-4 with 65% fold to flop cbet and 50% fold to turn cbet, 7% raise flop turn c-bet, doesn't check-raise much at all.


    MP1 ($21.15)
    MP2 ($53.50)
    CO ($15.60)
    Button ($70.05)
    SB ($369.95)
    BB ($55.85)
    UTG ($18.50)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($84.50)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5, 5
    1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 5 folds, BB calls $1.25

    Flop: ($3.75) 4, 2, 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, hero??


    hand 3
    villain is unknown likely aggro-fish 50-30 over 20 hands. No real info. He hadn't faced a c-bet from anyone before this hand was played.

    BB ($27.95)
    UTG ($55.40)
    UTG+1 ($67.05)
    MP1 ($50)
    MP2 ($51.30)
    MP3 ($25.50)
    Hero (CO) ($50)
    Button ($50)
    SB ($54.70)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 10
    5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3.25) Q, 5, 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, hero??


    edit: for those who are unsure about some stats i refer to
    re bets vs missed c-bets:
    ok - imagine you are on the button and call an UTG raise. They check the flop, you bet. This is you betting vs a missed c-bet. Say you bet every time you call ip pre-flop and are checked to on the flop - your 'bet vs missed c-bet' is 100%. It's on my hud pop-up extension under the various c-bet stats i have on my basic huh (= flop cbet, turn cbet, fold vs flop c-bet, fold vs turn c-bet). It's interesting. Especially if you like check-raising. Or if you like identifying monkey-checked-to types
    Last edited by daven; 12-07-2011 at 04:55 PM.
  2. #2
    1) I would c/f or maybe c/c if he's not the type to fire air twice, cbet then c/r some turns if he floats loads could be an option.

    2) Cbet $2.75.

    3) Would check back and see what happens on the turn, if he's aggro spewy the it sucks getting c/r'd as we sometimes have the best hand but are in a tough spot.
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    hand 1: I hate this spot vs a station, we often have the best hand but have no way to get it to showdown, I think a small bet gets the hands that want to fold to do so and chk/fold the turn unimproved. his strategy here seems to fuck us up, although if we do hit on the turn we likely have the best hand as his range is gonna be super weak.
    hand 2: I dont think we're in front very often at all, but we have position and a villain that at least has a fold button. I definatly c bet here 3/4s psb, If he raises its an obvious fold, barelling cards that help our persived range AKQ and also the 3 and the 5 we can also choose to rep diamonds but I dont think I like repping the diamonds if the Ad falls as the majority of our flush draws barring KQs would contain it.
    hand 3: I c bet normal size to see the monkeys actions barreling any big card that turns T+, chk back the river without at least an A falling. I dont think chking back this flop is gonna be advisable because aggro boy is gonna fire the Turn almost always and we surely cant just call down with Ahigh as unlikely as it is that that flop hit him. I'm unsure of what to do if he gets aggro to our c bet prolly just fold, which sucks.
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    Hand 1) Def firing flop and turn. He's floating with all kinds of crap we beat and prolly folding hands we don't (sm pps) with a second barrel. We still have mad equity vs most of his calling range. Prolly $2.75 on flop. Turn obv depends.

    Hand 2) c/f coz Imma pussy with small pps.

    Hand 3) Fire 1 and shut down.
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    He just wins, mmkay?
    Hand 1: whatever

    Hand 2: 1.) we're IP 2.) he has a sufficiently high fold to flop cb% so I'm at least firing one, probably following thru on the turn. giving up on river or if led into/raised at any point.

    Hand 3: firing 1 and shutting down is probably fine, if you know you can get 2 streets of value out of him when you check back and hit then go for that option. W/o reads I'm just cbetting.
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  6. #6
    H1) high bet vs missed c-bet 80% , Im not familiar with this stat.

    I chuck a Cbet in 50%. if c/rsed fold

    h2&3 cbet 50%-75%
    Last edited by celtic123; 12-06-2011 at 09:34 PM.
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    Hand 1: Low raise flop cbet and high bet vs missed cbet makes me want to cbet 1/2 pot as a kind of blocking bet to keep initiative and get a turn card as cheap as possible. Fold to raise as he's likely got us beat if he raises and shut down if I don't hit on turn.

    Hand 2: Cbet about $2.25 fold to a raise. Barrel any AKQ on turn as a bluff and shut down on river unless I hit a 5 that doesn't complete any obvious draws. Probably also barrel a 3 on turn with our improved equity. Barrel a turn 5 for value obviously.

    Hand 3: Vs unknown likely aggro fish with position, I'm happy to check it back and see what happens on the turn. I don't hate cbetting something like 1/2 pot as we will often have the best hand here and fold if raised.
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    bet em all
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    yeah i probably bet all three. but i'm somewhat of a CB monkey. i'd also be planning to fire one or two more barrels, runout dependent, in hand 1 and 3
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    How does this High bet v missed cBet calculate its self? Hand 1

    edit : answered via PM. Ty
    Last edited by celtic123; 12-07-2011 at 01:28 PM.
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    And risk a one strike for hijacking a thread ?

    imagine you are on the button and call an UTG raise. They check the flop, you bet. This is you betting vs a missed c-bet. Say you bet every time you call ip pre-flop and are checked to on the flop - your 'bet vs missed c-bet' is 100%

    I think not ^^^
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    Gotta bet 'em all! Pokermon!

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