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 Originally Posted by WillburForce
I read AOK 19 hand thing a while back so I'm not sure if you played correctly according to that. but:
hand 1: No-one having a pop at that flop? At Micro-stakes I'm a firm beleiver in Monkey Check - Monkey Bet. I'd fire out a 1/2 or 3/4 pot bet - then watch him fold. If he calls and you don't improve on the turn slow down.
As played, not alot you can do there. I'd call all day long at $.01/.02
Hand 2: Raise pre, and raise the flop hard.
As played, you've got to be betting at least the pot on the flop. I'd make it more like $.13. Then call the turn.
I agree with all above, especially Willbur's comments. I also happen to think Aokrongly's 19 hands is TOO LOOSE for newbies, and I played tighter than that when I finally learned to beat this game.
Originally Posted by Aokrongly
AJ, KQ, QJ, call preflop if it's unraised. FOLD preflop if it's raised.
These are autofold for me in EP and most times in MP. I almost never limp with these hands, not even behind a couple limpers. My exceptions are when they're suited, 3+ villains have limped and my reads on the rest of the players to act is that no one's all that likely to raise preflop.
If I'm playing crap like KQ or QJ, it's for a raise in an unraised pot from the cutoff or button. I'm cbetting anything reasonable against a wide range of villains, then shutting down. I want to take down a small pot early with these hands. I do NOT what to show these hands down unless I've hit a straight or better. I want to win (at the latest) on the flop.
Originally Posted by Aokrongly
POCKET PAIRS call raises preflop up to 4xBB Fold to bigger raises. HOWEVER, look at the raiser (and other callers stacks) if they don't have any money then just fold. You want them to have money so IF YOU HIT A SET you will get paid off. If you don't hit a set then be prepared to fold very quickly. If you have an overpair to the board then play it carefully.
I raise all pp's from all positions in unraised pots, 3.5xBB plus 1BB per limper. At the donk stakes, this accomplishes two things. First, it gets rid of hands like J3s (usually). Second, you still often have 2-4 callers, and your sets still get paid when you hit them.
This isn't exactly beginner stuff, but you can cbet with a med/small pair effectively even with overs, even with aces, even with multiple broadway cards.
I think the problem with AOK's 19-hand guide is that it's too passive. I think we need to play those hands and open-raise any of them we play at donkstakes. That will lead to an opening range profile of something 10/8 which is fine for donkstakes.
Again, play this style for a while but begin adding in concepts like position and cbetting from Renton's guide after a couple thousand hands. Add in just ONE of Renton's additional suggestions at a time, play for 1k hands, then add another.
By the way, keep posting here and getting advice. That will help a ton, too. Please read every post in the Beginner's Digest this week, and reread them all in one month. They're there for a reason.
Biondino's Cut out and keep pointers for micro-limit NL
Read this NOW!!
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