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    Default The 5 Poker players you should never be

    So here’s the setup. I work from home 4 days a week. My wife’s in law-school, so she’s rarely ever home. Basically, I sit around the house a lot after work, play some poker, etc.

    At some point, I get bored and want to be a man of the people. I caught wind of these free poker tournaments at bars around the area. It’s hard to find a good game. They exist if you know where to look, but putting the wife through law school kinda limits one’s options for ballerism. So these poker tournaments sounded like a good opportunity to get out of the house, meet some new people, play some cards, and drink some beer.

    These things run three nights a week, two tournaments per night. I’ve been playing for about a month now, sporadically. I’ve played well… I’ve played 11 of these tournaments, and won 6 of them against fields of 18-40 players. It’s not that I’m that good… it’s really that they’re that bad, and my cards have run pretty well. My prizes? About 150 in gift cards from various bad restaurants. If anyone wants to go ball at Panini’s Pub with me… drinks are on me, ‘cause that’s how I roll.

    And after getting out and meeting these wonderful new people… I never want to leave the house. People are annoying, and playing poker (even free Poker) brings out some very annoying quirks in people’s personalities. I’ve seen these personalities at free games, online games, cash games, home games… they run across every genre of poker, and they suck the fun out of the game for me. As my public service to you all… I present my list of the five types of poker player you should never be… lest you catch an errant chip in the eye.

    1. The Cynic.
    2. The Remorseful
    3. The Wonderer
    4. The Belligerent
    5. The Coach



    The Cynic
    There’s this guy that comes to every one of these tournaments. For some reason, he’s kind of latched on to me as his “friend” or whatever. I don’t hate the guy, but he annoys me because he’s a pure cynic, when it comes to poker. Anytime he enters a hand, he loses. If he has Kings, someone has aces. No matter what he has, you can outflop him. If the board has diamonds, he’s got spades. And my god, can he bitch about it, as if he’s the only person that ever suffers a beat!

    He’s read a poker book or two. He thinks you can only play JJ+, AQ and AK…. And when he enters the pot, he should be a lock to win. A9 should never outdraw KK, and by god, K8 is a Mortal Lock vs. QT. He’s read the chapter that says you should play tight, but he never turned the page to understand things like position, pot odds, and pretty trivial concepts.

    He’s been beaten down by his poor play, and will likely get blinded out. When he enters a pot, he’s going to get no action, because even the densest player can put him on a hand. When he does finally take his stand, he’s got no fold equity.

    And did I mention, he bitches about it the whole time?

    I’m not one to believe in voodoo. I don’t think you can will the cards to fall any certain way… but I do believe that if you EXPECT bad things to happen to you, they will. Not because you’ve controlled anything, or the fates have conspired against you, but because you subconsciously sabotage your own play. Since you EXPECT to lose, you’re not going to commit yourself with AK, because someone will hit a set on you. You get raised out of too many pots because you believe the person always has exactly the hand that beats you.

    True story… last night we were at 100/200 blinds, and nearing end game. 4 players left. I’ve got a mountain of chips. The Cynic is sitting in the SB while I’m in the BB. He’s got 200 left after posting the SB. The other two players fold, and the Cynic completes. I think for approximately a nanosecond, and simply minraise the guy, to 200. I was doing it just to prove a point. He goes into the tank. Keep in mind this tournament only pays first….

    After about a minute, he folds AK face up, and says I know you have aces.

    Hell… I might have. I never looked, and mucked my cards.

    The point is that this guy’s negative outlook on life and poker sabotages his game. But I really don’t care about that. I’m more concerned with the bitching. If you want to sulk in your own psyche, that’s fine… but do it privately. Everyone can expect some sympathy for some bad beats, but when you take them on every hand, and expect them to happen, no one cares. You grate on their nerves, and eventually no one is going to give you the attention you crave.

    Don’t be a cynic.


    The Remorseful.
    You all know this guy. He’s the guy that after every hand goes.
    “Man, I folded a straight.”
    ”I’d have cracked your aces if I’d stayed”
    ”Damn… the river would have given me two pair
    “Hell, I knew I should have stayed with THAT 8-3.”

    First of all, I f’n hate this guy.

    Second of all, it’s dumb from a poker persepective. If you’re telling the truth, you’re giving up all kinds of information about your hand selection.

    Third of all, no one else gives a damn. No one at the table is concerned with what you had. Half the time, they don’t even care if you’re in the pot… and certainly don’t give a shit what you have once you folded.

    Once you let go of a hand… let go of a hand. Mucking 7-2 is a fine play. Who cares if you flop trips?

    You do. And Only You. Keep it to yourself.

    The Wonderer.
    This guy is a close cousin to the Remorseful. He doesn’t care what he had… he wants to know what you have.

    “Did you have the straight?”
    “Could you beat two pair?”
    ”Whadjahave? Ace-Ten?”

    This guy is fishing for information, and that’s a noble goal on some level… but when you do it on every hand, even when you’re not involved, agitates everyone.

    I don’t find this player as annoying as The Remorseful, but its still agitating.

    If you ever go into the muck and look at someone else’s cards, you deserve severe pain.

    I don’t get mad at this guy. I just feed him MOUNTAINS of misinformation. If he wants to know if I had a ten, even if I did, I’ll tell him no. If I’m bluffing, I had a monster. If I had a monster, it was marginal. I use this guy’s fault against him, because I’m reasonably certain he can’t process the information anyway.

    I’m not saying you can’t fish for information… we all do it. But dammit, people… pick your spots.

    The Belligerent.

    Again at the final table last night. Blind vs. Blind hand, and I have QTo. Board is Td 6s 5d 7d 4d/

    There’s so many ways I’m beat on this board, Its sick. We’ve build a 900 pot mostly with me firing with TP and opp flat calling. I check the river, and the Belligerent bets 75 into a 900 pot. Now, I know that my pair of tens is very likely no good, but Opp is going crazy. His legs are shaking so bad under the table that I can feel it two seats over, and he was very antsy. I wasn’t entirely sure if this was strength or weakness, but I felt it was weakness.

    It doesn’t really matter, as opponent bet only 75 into a 900 pot, offering me about 13 to 1. It’s only got to be a bluff once to be the right call, so I call.

    Opponent loses his goddamned mind.

    “How can you call that? There’s 4 diamonds out there and tons of straights!”

    He then stands up and draws his fist at me like he’s going to hit me. I’m caught totally off gaurd by this. The dude settled down and was promptly thrown out. Now, I’m alright throwing blows and all, but I’m a grown man. I’m not about to scrap over free poker, if I can avoid it. They throw him out and play proceeds.

    We’ve seen this guy a million times online. He’s the guy railbirding in the chat box after a bad beat, or cursing you out for your stupid play.

    What good does this serve? Do you feel better? Do you feel it’s hurting the other player? It’s not. It makes you look like an ass, and sucks the fun out of the game.

    I could have told him why I called, but I strive never to be…

    The Coach.

    It is not your job to teach the others how to play poker, to criticize their errors, or tell them how they should play their hands. It has two ill effects.

    One, it makes your opponents’ better players, and no one wants that.

    Two, it makes them inwardly angry at you, and resentful.

    Don’t be that guy. Ultimately, all you’re doing is stroking your own ego, and making others not like you.



    If you aren’t these kind of players, others will enjoy playing with you, won’t gun for you, and if you’re playing live, might even invite you back.

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    I think my least favorite of them all is the coach. Not even necessarily trying to explain your own actions, its when someone trys explaining why you or someone else made a mistake. I try to shut these guys up as quickly as possible as to keep the action of the table as it was.
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    Great post. Reminded me of several times at my local casino playing with morons.
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    my new favorite author. any bestsellers i should be reading?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    my new favorite author. any bestsellers i should be reading?
    "Shine your sack" is my personal favorite
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    Haha this is awesome! Quality post. I can so place faces to these people.
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    Crap... I see tendencies of "The Coach" in me, even though I try to say nothing to people about poker when I am actually playing. Does talking about poker outside lave games count?

    All I can say is at least I'm not any of the first four and I've been trying to not be the fifth.

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    I do like to ask what people have from time to time - usually when they play well or bafflingly against me and I've made a tricky laydown. 80% of the time they don't tell me, of course, but sometimes they do and it's interesting and useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseyb
    Crap... I see tendencies of "The Coach" in me, even though I try to say nothing to people about poker when I am actually playing. Does talking about poker outside lave games count?

    All I can say is at least I'm not any of the first four and I've been trying to not be the fifth.
    I think everyone slips into this once in a while. If I had to put myself into one of them, it would be this one too.

    I don't think away from the table is bad IF the person asks your advice. Most often, unsolicited advice is met with the same enthusiasm as a dentist's appointment.

    I also, as stated, don't think OCCASIONALLY being a wonderer or sniffing for information is bad... it's a tool. But on EVERY hand, it gets annoying. As I said, I believe in picking your spots.

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    Nice post, i can definatly relate this to people i know.. i hate the ones that tell you after EVERY hand, i would have won this, i folded this.. and they search through the muck to find their hand. I just tell these people to play every hand just in case.
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    I used to be The Remorseful (though not extreme) when I started playing online, not knowing any better. It wasn't really until I started reading forums like this that I started to realize how it can be annoying. Now I've been pretty good at keeping my shoulda's to myself.

    It's always funny when someone says "Man, a pair of aces wins that huge pot? I woulda rivered a straight if I'd just stayed with it."

    Okay, so next time you're dealt 85 offsuit, you'll call the 4x preflop raise and the 12x reraise? Good luck with that.
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    I hate these tourney's for these types of folks.

    I for one am quite the reserved person when with new people, so I basically shut-up and focus on my poker and usually get loads of respect cuz you have to be wiery of the quiet ones. I use this image to my advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    my new favorite author. any bestsellers i should be reading?
    I agree!! Well written!

    If having to choose, as a beginner I believe that I'm a mix of all EXCEPT the belligerent and the coach ( I CERTAINLY don't need to be coaching).

    I think I am the "wonderer" because I'm constantly trying to learn, and this isn't a way of learning - I know this now - because I need to be thinking about MY hands and how I played them, not my opponent's.

    I am a bit of the "remorseful" in that I easily get disappointed in myself for "overthinking" what my opponents have instead of thinking about how strong/weak my hand is combined with the cards on the table.

    Finally, I am a little bit of the cynic, but I'm not a vocal one. You won't hear me griping publically. I have become a 'tight' player that read that chapter in the book, turned the page, and is STILL READING about the pot size and the trivial concepts (I'm getting better with position).

    Great post!!!!
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    Hey, Fortune is this the APL? That's practically the only place I play poker of late.

    There are some other great ones, though:

    The Gotta-go. There are a couple variations on this one
    1. Makes an idiotic call, shows down, and loses. When everyone laughs, heshe says "Screw it, I'm just trying to go home."
    2. Runs a dumb bluff, and sucks out. Drags chips, laughing and says "I was just trying to go home." This one's *very annoying b/c heshe will fold, fold, fold, then raise it up. Everyone folds. "I'm just trying to go home!"
    "You want to go home, start calling! Quit folding and raising!"

    The Way-beneath-me
    This guy (sorry, but I haven't seen a female one yet) usually just got back from Shreveport or the equivalent, where he played a couple $100 or $200 buyin tourneys and damn if he isn't going to make sure everyone knows that.
    Makes a stupid-ass call. Loses.
    "Hell, I don't worry about it unless the buyin is over 200..."
    You should be thankful that this seasoned halfwit is willing to grace you free-poker-players with his presence; you cannot expect him to expend his precious brain power on it.

    note I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, take free poker seriously (see below). I like to futz around a lot and try different things. But I don't announce my unfathomable superiority in this manner.

    The Star of the Show. wtf, dude? It doesn't take three full minutes to decide whether to put your 200 imaginary dollars in the pot every mutualfunding time it comes to you. Also, since we've been playing with you for over six minutes, we know you suck and you're not actually thinking about what to do whilst all eyes are on you. You're just making us go through our blinds and our beer more quickly
    note Working undercover for the bar/restaurant?

    The Serious
    Can't believe you accidentally exposed a card during the deal! Stop, everyone! What's the procedure? Whines to the tourney director lol:
    http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=4149

    Threatens to muck your hand if you do anything untoward. Like e.g. I sometimes go "c'mon, flop me some diamonds!" or worse:
    http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=47643
    note on the plus side, will carefully do all the math for three-way split pots for you.

    Grandma
    Dear, sweet Grandma.
    Pros:
    -won't raise with anything but AA/KK, ever.
    -cute and sweet
    -Calls down with any pocket pair.

    Cons:
    -somehow wins about half the time anyway.
    -slow as hell
    -can't handle her liquor
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    Great additions, LeFou...

    I've definitely played with most of these people. I don't hate the Grandma. If you live long enough to be a grandma (and judging from the general lifestyle of the FTR commune, I'd say that's a longshot) Be a Grandma... they're inoffensive.

    The Gotta-Go is a rarer breed... I may even be this guy sometimes. I'm like "Welp... my time to go. All in." Of course, I don't feel the need to lie much at free poker. I've usually got crap and decided just to roll with it and gambool. I generally DO have crap when I do this.

    I've run into the Way Beneath Me guy a few times.... he's usually a fish... even moreso than your average free player. I target these guys, because they know how to fold. Far too often, in fact.

    I find when someone goes out of the way to TELL you they're a seasoned player, it's just puffery. I look at it like the little mouthy guy at the bar that talks about how much ass he can kick. It's just small man syndrome manifesting itself at the poker table.

    The Serious I often group with the beligerent. They're usually the ones that become the beligerent. I've seen people storm out and leave over people betting out of turn. I mean, hell, have you seen some of these folks? We're lucky they don't drool on themselves. I sort of take the roll of table captain to make sure things go in order, but man, people get bent out of shape over these things. It's really hilarious. If you have one of these leagues in your area, I highly suggest you take a week and play in it. To hell with the poker, because you won't learn anything... but it's a FASCINATING study in human behavior.

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    might be fun to add on with all the idiots we can think of and run a bit of a contest as to which should be transformed in to a hall of fame list and possible sticky?

    with fortune's permission, of course, it is his thread.
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