Reading someone for KK and taking them down

[spino1i]

All sorts of nasty stuff could have happened if I had just called, espically since I lacked position. However I figured the only way someone reraises like that is if they have KK, and no one can lay down KK pre-flop.

The rest played as you see..

***** Hand History for Game 2280111486 *****
$400 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, June 29, 00:13:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 36803 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: rassler130 ( $305.55 )
Seat 2: EvilEcstasy_ ( $248.9 )
Seat 3: Mo_Lestor ( $376 )
Seat 4: billyyank ( $179.2 )
Seat 5: bogjavul123 ( $665.1 )
Seat 6: j0nj0 ( $476.2 )
Seat 7: Adadise ( $391.5 )
Seat 8: eweblueit ( $531.1 )
Seat 9: BoRnToOlOsE ( $728.1 )
Seat 10: thugs9919 ( $166.3 )
bogjavul123 posts small blind [$2].
j0nj0 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Ad Ah ]
>You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
eweblueit calls [$4].
BoRnToOlOsE folds.
thugs9919 folds.
rassler130 folds.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$18].
>You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
Mo_Lestor raises [$40].
billyyank folds.
bogjavul123 folds.
j0nj0 folds.
eweblueit folds.
>You have options at Table 36879 Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ is all-In [$230.9]
Mo_Lestor calls [$208.9].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6s, 3s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
Mo_Lestor shows [ Kd, Kc ] a pair of kings.
EvilEcstasy_ shows [ Ad, Ah ] a pair of aces.
EvilEcstasy_ wins $504.8 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
>You have options at Table 48816 Table!.
eweblueit has left the table.

[Bmxicle]

A re-raise can mean a large range of hands depending on the player, but nice hand.

[spino1i]

A re-raise can mean a large range of hands depending on the player, but nice hand.

It depends on the circumstances. My 18 dollar preflop raise in early position had "warning: I have good cards" written all over it. The only way he raises that is if he has KK or AA.

[Bmxicle]

First off a bad player is not going to notice those warnings, and even good players will re-raise to see where they are with the hand. Unless i had a read on you as a tight-passive player i would likely be re-raising you with atleast QQ and AK, against looser players i'd throw in JJ and AQ.

Except against very tight players you can't specifically put someone on KK until half your stack is in the pot.

[ensign_lee]

eweblueit's very aggressive. I've played with him a lot, so this advice may be more player specific than most.

If you put him on KK, then that's a great move, but you have to POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY sure that he has KK. He doesn't make that call with QQ. What you should have done is reraise to $80 or $90. Then, if he has KK, he'll raise all in, and if he has QQ or sometimes even just JJ or AKs (depends on his mood) then he'll call and you can take it away from him on the flop. Hell, he's the kind of person you can normally check-raise, so you can probably pull one of those as well should he simply call your reraise. You're pot committed either way and can't lay your AA down once the flop comes anyway. He's not calling all in preflop with QQ, JJ, or AKs, so you're getting maximum value by just reraising preflop. That way, you're giving him incorrect odds to call with QQ or JJ, since half your stack is already in there beforehand.

At any rate, this may be a bit off topic, but why were you only sitting with $280 at a $400 NL table? You should have been sitting with at least a number in the three hundreds if you're going to play: maximum value.

Anyways, good read and nice hand.

[spino1i]

eweblueit's very aggressive. I've played with him a lot, so this advice may be more player specific than most.

If you put him on KK, then that's a great move, but you have to POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY sure that he has KK. He doesn't make that call with QQ. What you should have done is reraise to $80 or $90. Then, if he has KK, he'll raise all in, and if he has QQ or sometimes even just JJ or AKs (depends on his mood) then he'll call and you can take it away from him on the flop. Hell, he's the kind of person you can normally check-raise, so you can probably pull one of those as well should he simply call your reraise. You're pot committed either way and can't lay your AA down once the flop comes anyway. He's not calling all in preflop with QQ, JJ, or AKs, so you're getting maximum value by just reraising preflop. That way, you're giving him incorrect odds to call with QQ or JJ, since half your stack is already in there beforehand.

At any rate, this may be a bit off topic, but why were you only sitting with $280 at a $400 NL table? You should have been sitting with at least a number in the three hundreds if you're going to play: maximum value.

Anyways, good read and nice hand.

Im sitting with $280 because I'm not bankrolled to play the whole 400$.

Good point about raising part way and catching the QQ and the AK. I'll do that in the future. I just wanted to avoid some sort of problem arising from me not having position and a nasty flop showing up.

Also, I wasnt playing against eweblueit, im playing against Mo_Lester..

[ensign_lee]

whoops...I saw "eweblueit has left the table" and assumed he lost. Sorry about that.

In that case, against a blind player, I'd raise it to about $100. It's a nice, even amount that's bigger than normal raise (gotta get those extra bets in there somehow) and will still get QQ and AKs to follow...sometimes. I recommended a smaller reraise against eweblueit because he might even reraise all in there, but since you weren't playing against him, never mind. :P

As far as being underbankrolled at $400 NL, I'd recommend you drop down to $200, even though that may not be as good for ME, because then I'd have stiffer competition. :P Playing scared up there is not going to help anything, and the swings will drive you wild. I know that $400 seems a lot softer than $200, and lots of times it is (paradoxical, isn't it?), but the swings are just GIGANTIC when they come. That's why I don't play up there. I'm just not comfortable going up and down a thousand dollars or more in one day.


Anyway, I still say good read and nice hand.

[Bmxicle]

Going allin here isn't as likely as normal to fold out dominated hands like QQ cause people tend to not give shortstacks credit.

Hell, i was at spino's table in 200nl a while ago. he bought in for $50 dollars and i paid him off nicely preflop w/ my AK v his AA. That was before i knew he was on ftr.

[spino1i]

Going allin here isn't as likely as normal to fold out dominated hands like QQ cause people tend to not give shortstacks credit.

Hell, i was at spino's table in 200nl a while ago. he bought in for $50 dollars and i paid him off nicely preflop w/ my AK v his AA. That was before i knew he was on ftr.

Hah I remember that one. That was when I was desperate to play 200 nl even though my bankroll was like 1100$ at the time (I had gotten sick of the camping of 100 nl). So I bought in shortstacked and pushed on people heh.

As for playing underbankrolled yes I know I'm underbankrolled and in fact right now im sitting at a 3/6 nl table and im even more underbankrolled for that. Probably my greatest weakness as a poker player is a craving to move to higher stakes than I can afford because I get bored of the competition at my current stakes. Had a downswing yesterday lost about 1k but that was all, and that was after 2 AA v KK out of position (one of which i survived) and a set over set and a couple lost coin-flip all-ins.

The upswing after that was 3k, so had no problems lol

A lot of times I just dont see how I could lose 5+ buy-ins, I mean sure you can have bad luck but you'd have to be making a lot of mistakes. I feel right now at least that my skill level is way above most of the rest of the players at 400 nl, so thats why I'm not too worried. And 600 nl looks to be the same guys lol

[ensign_lee]

To each his own.

I'm just not comfortable going up and down numbers in the thousands. I'm pretty happy at $200 NL. Maybe someday I'll get back up to $400 NL, but chances are, I'm not getting past there...ever. 'Cause at that point, I'd be earning a pretty nice piece of change if I can beat the game and I'd probably be happy just staying there.

Have fun moving up the limits.

[spino1i]

To each his own.

I'm just not comfortable going up and down numbers in the thousands. I'm pretty happy at $200 NL. Maybe someday I'll get back up to $400 NL, but chances are, I'm not getting past there...ever. 'Cause at that point, I'd be earning a pretty nice piece of change if I can beat the game and I'd probably be happy just staying there.

Have fun moving up the limits.

Hah I wouldnt be happy until I had beat the 100/200 NL game if one existed lol

[BIGandRICH]

Hah I wouldnt be happy until I had beat the 100/200 NL game if one existed lol

Ultimate Bet has 50/100 NL.. though its not often populated. There'd be a game that big out there somewhere.

I watched a 100/200 limit HU the other day on full tilt.. pretty intense game

[Bmxicle]

A lot of times I just dont see how I could lose 5+ buy-ins, I mean sure you can have bad luck but you'd have to be making a lot of mistakes. I feel right now at least that my skill level is way above most of the rest of the players at 400 nl, so thats why I'm not too worried. And 600 nl looks to be the same guys lol[/quote]

You will experience downswings, maybe not $1000 dollar downswings cause you buy in short stacked, but they will come. I've lost about 4k in three days at 400nl before, and i don't tilt. 600nl is even worse, and i can tell you for a fact that the palyers aren't the same and are much trickier.

Its great to be confident, and you need to be confident to be a winning player, but don't get over confident cause you are running well, downswings will come eventually.