4NL - 55 UTG+1 Flatting PF Raise

[maverick007]

The villain is unknown. 22/11 over 36 hands.


Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($3.84)
Button ($4.13)
SB ($4.02)
BB ($3.87)
UTG ($3.94)
Hero (UTG+1) ($3.94)
MP1 ($4)
MP2 ($8.95)
MP3 ($4.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5, 5
UTG bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, 6 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38) 8, 2, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.26, 1 fold, UTG raises to $0.56, Hero ??

[ColdDecked]

Fold pre. Check behind flop. As played, fold.

[MadMojoMonkey]

def not calling pre

[OngBonga]

Calling pre, folding flop without betting.

[daven]

Fold pre. Check behind flop. As played, fold.

^ this, not close

[surviva316]

Meh, could prolly call pre at these stakes. I don't know how loose/passive they are preflop, but if it's anything like I'd expect, we can call.

Defffffff check flop, though. You'll have plenty of chances to stab at this flop; save it for when you have more than 2 outs to their continuing range and don't have SDV.

[Shotglass]

not folding pre - goin for the set and DEFO not betting flop, let's see if it'll check down and if they wanna continue to give me another shot at the set then

edit: as played

[bjsaust]

How often are you going to face a squeeze at 4nl FR? I'd have thought a fold pre was correct, if you were in later position I don't mind calling. As played I don't get why you'd bet this flop. Do you actually know if you're betting for protection or as a bluff?

[maverick007]

I bet the flop as a semi bluff and also since it was checked to me with only one player left to act. I've lost quite a bit of money playing this way and trying to out think players at 4NL..

[OngBonga]

You're out thinking yourself.

Semi bluffing is something you do when you have little or no showdown value and lots of outs to improve. Draws, draw + overs, draw + bottom pair etc, these are hands we semi bluff with. Here, you're semi bluffing a hand that has reasonable showdown value vs villains' checkdown range, but only has two out vs villains' continuing range. Not a good semi bluffing spot.

Whether we expect to be squeezed on this table is critical. I just don't see it often at 2nl & 4nl. At 25nl I fold this spot pre.

[maverick007]

You're out thinking yourself.

Semi bluffing is something you do when you have little or no showdown value and lots of outs to improve. Draws, draw + overs, draw + bottom pair etc, these are hands we semi bluff with. Here, you're semi bluffing a hand that has reasonable showdown value vs villains' checkdown range, but only has two out vs villains' continuing range. Not a good semi bluffing spot.

Whether we expect to be squeezed on this table is critical. I just don't see it often at 2nl & 4nl. At 25nl I fold this spot pre.

This makes a lot of sense to me...thanks

[FlushDraww]

I'm not understanding the folks that say fold pre. The preflop raise is standard 3x the big blind. Hero will flop a set 1 time in 8 so if we can say this is the average size raise Hero will have to call each time with his pocket pair and if we look only at set mining then:

7 times Hero will not flop the set so 7 x $0.12 = $0.84 cents lost
Therefor the one time Hero does hit that set all he has to do to break even from this is get 84 cents from Villain which does not seem like it would be hard to do especially if Villain hits top pair or has an overpair.

Now that's just breaking even. How many times will hero stack Villain?
How many times will that small pair of 44 55 or 66 end up hitting a straight
How many times will Hero look at Villains bet on the flop and know Villain missed and that small pair wins at showdown?

It seems to me that as long as the raise needing to be called preflop is reasonable then it would be -EV long term NOT to call. Opinions please.

[bjsaust]

All your assumptions are based on seeing the flop without needing to put any further money in.

No such thing as -EV when you don't put money into the pot.

[rpm]

i'd probably only call this preflop if i expected to go multiway a lot of the time. that means lots of loose/passive fish who call too much, and no likely squeezers. as played i actually would bet this flop because i expect both villains to have two live overcards most of the time (based on their checks) and so i want to prevent them from realising their equity. we're never getting them to put a cent in on later streets unless they outdraw us anyway (assuming their ranges are predominantly missed high cards). based on peoples replies i'm thinking that logic is wrong now.