45s fd in mp to ep tight agg

[Zorkion]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($9.78)
MP2 ($5.45)
MP3 ($2.69)
Hero (CO) ($9.50)
Button ($5.50)
SB ($4.71)
BB ($4.50)
UTG ($15.73)
UTG+1 ($2.78)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 4
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.40) 4, J, K (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets $1, Hero raises to $2.40, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $9.38 (All-In), Hero ?


opp was running quite nitty here, something like 8/3, but also was running 17/13 at another table. My reasoning for 3betting the flop was that it would give me some fold equity, and if opp flat called, it would give me initiative on the turn, and thus a free look at the river, if the turn didnt complete my flush.

as is, the range I give villain here is aa/kk/jj/ak

plugging this into stove, it shows me as having >40% equity, making this a snap call.

my notes on opp say
"
checkraise fd on low board
stations tptk on flushing board axx
3bet ajs from lp to mp open
"

thoughts? would flat calling the flop have been better? should I tighten opp's range?

[eugmac]

I'd say AsTs and AsQs need to be included in his range as well as KQ.

Raise flop much bigger, and you obv can't fold when he shoves even as played.

[bikes]

fix your hud.

obv call it off. raising is prolly the best play here against most people if not all.

[baudib]

pretty sure i would fold pre? and i wouldn't raise the flop but as played yeah call

[daven]

fold pre
call the flop 3b shove, add KJ to his range.

i agree with bikes about your hud - you want to be displaying all history from opponents, not just hands observed at the one table during only your current session. Something to do with larger samples providing better estimates of a true mean.

[supa]

Hmm... been playing with no hud on cake cuzza rules and whatnot. Dunno if I should look into it.

[EasyPoker]

[Zorkion]

can anyone who said fold pre explain why? we have a pretty solid implied odds hand vs a full stacker, and were in position.

with regards to the hud, i would like to, but cake poker saves HHs with player names muddled by adding *** inside (eg., pl****1 instead of player1)

although I could just be wrong and I have my hud configured badly. if so, can anyone who plays on cake tell me how to fix this in pt3?

[Shotglass]

can anyone who said fold pre explain why? we have a pretty solid implied odds hand vs a full stacker, and were in position.

You have a marginal hand that is often times dominated.

It's ok to call pre if your plan is to not get stupid by stacking off with bottom pair and a low FD but to get out of the hand cheaply unless you hit the flop hard, which is difficult with 54

[bikes]

You have a marginal hand that is often times dominated.

It's ok to call pre if your plan is to not get stupid by stacking off with bottom pair and a low FD but to get out of the hand cheaply unless you hit the flop hard, which is difficult with 54

umm what?

[Shotglass]

You disagree bikes?

[baudib]

you'll get squeezed out a ton by 4 shortstackers behind you, especially UTG+1 who limped with less than 30 BBs. I would change tables.

[daven]

can anyone who said fold pre explain why? we have a pretty solid implied odds hand vs a full stacker, and were in position.

with regards to the hud, i would like to, but cake poker saves HHs with player names muddled by adding *** inside (eg., pl****1 instead of player1)

although I could just be wrong and I have my hud configured badly. if so, can anyone who plays on cake tell me how to fix this in pt3?

it's really easy to overestimate the implied odds of crap hands. I call J9s here fwiw.

re hud - i've got no idea about cake. Maybe go search 2p2 threads? or go to the PT3 support forums?

[eugmac]

You have a marginal hand that is often times dominated.

It's ok to call pre if your plan is to not get stupid by stacking off with bottom pair and a low FD but to get out of the hand cheaply unless you hit the flop hard, which is difficult with 54

edit: oh snap i totally misread your post, nvm.

but yeah as the next post says and also already stated in OP obv it's not stupid to stack off vs likely ranges per stove results.

[Icanhastreebet]

You have a marginal hand that is often times dominated.

It's ok to call pre if your plan is to not get stupid by stacking off with bottom pair and a low FD but to get out of the hand cheaply unless you hit the flop hard, which is difficult with 54

umm wat please go punch in some common hands we'll get in v in pokerstove and then reconsider what you just said please.

[OngBonga]

What do we know about UTG+1 before we call pre flop? Is he a serial limp/folder? Does he like to limp/call his small pairs (which indicates we're often dominated)? Or maybe he likes to limp/raise his monsters in early pos? I don't see any reason to make this call pre, baudib nails why.

Make a note on UTG+1, stating that he limp/folded from early pos after a MP x4 raise and two calls.

[Shotglass]

umm wat please go punch in some common hands we'll get in v in pokerstove and then reconsider what you just said please.

edit: oh snap i totally misread your post, nvm.

but yeah as the next post says and also already stated in OP obv it's not stupid to stack off vs likely ranges per stove results.

Yeah, I understand all of this, but the OP asked for resoning to fold pre. So, ignoring the flop...
I still stand behind what I said for preflop, except that I should have called it a speculative hand. His specultaive hand becomes marginal because he's playing a bunch of short-stackers.

[Micro2Macro]

fold pre until u have reads on preflop and postflop play beacuse calling here is gonna put u in lots of thin spots postflop that u probably arent ready to maneuver yet.

i wouldnt think much of the short stacks behind u they are super tight at the micro levels and aren't going to be squeezing nearly as wide of a range as u guys think.