Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
umm wat please go punch in some common hands we'll get in v in pokerstove and then reconsider what you just said please.
Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
edit: oh snap i totally misread your post, nvm.

but yeah as the next post says and also already stated in OP obv it's not stupid to stack off vs likely ranges per stove results.
Yeah, I understand all of this, but the OP asked for resoning to fold pre. So, ignoring the flop...
I still stand behind what I said for preflop, except that I should have called it a speculative hand. His specultaive hand becomes marginal because he's playing a bunch of short-stackers.