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    Default Harley Gets His Grind on!

    Ok so I enjoyed my September to Remember blog but didn't think about the title at the time. So this will be a more permanent blog.

    Some of the basic goals of this blog will be:

    • Grind through 10nl and beyond
    • Consistent post in my blog including HH's
    • Continue working on my health as promised to wife
    • Maintain Goldstar status
    • Clear next Stellar Reward bonus
    • Earn fpps for $300 VIP Reward Bonus

    Pretty basic shit but really if we can master the basics the rest will be an easy game! Game plan is to play 6m 4-6 tables unless really feeling like the A-game is at work. Typical day will consist of a morning session immediately following my morning workout. These sessions typically last 1.5-2 hours. Will do studying in the afternoon followed by another session as work permits. Yes I play while at work .
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 10-03-2010 at 08:18 PM.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    frist! GL
    Explain...what I do for a living without saying "I make monies in da 600 enels by pwnin' tha donk bitches". Instead I say "I'm a online financial redistribution broker". - Sasquach991
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    gl dude hope september was worth remembering!
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    Jealous @ getting paid to play!
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    LIFE
    Ok so today was day one of the "Couch to 5k" program. Like I mentioned in my last blug I am going to be following this program for fitness. So the first week go basically like this: Start off with a brisk 5 minute walk then do a series of 60 seconds run then 90 brisk walk, rinse repeat over and over then finish with a 5 minute cool down walk. Do this for first week then the second week I believe you do 90 seconds of running followed by 60 seconds walk, week three not sure but you progress each week until you are running a complete 5k by week 8. I'm pretty excited about it and think it is a good program for an old fucker such as myself.

    POKER
    Poker didn't start off exciting for the first three days. Day one I didn't play at all, on the 2nd I played 2395 hands and was down 45.6 bb's and yesterday the 3rd I played 2103 hands and was down 44.1 bi's. Luckily this mornings session I was feeling really good after my walk/run and a good breakfast. I got 645 hands in and ended up 189.5 bb's so for the month so far I am up 99.8 bi's.

    I really need to learn to get away from hands like JJ, QQ etc when villain is a super oober nit and shoves on me. It's like there is a little poker angel on my shoulder saying "FOLD YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKER" then all of a sudden the little fucker on my other shoulder says "FUCK DAT SHIT THIS BITCH IS TRYING TO STEAL YOUR SHIT." Well god damn I just need to listen MORE! This morning I folded KK pre when villlain who was like 11/10 over a good sample reraised me after I raised mp's 4x and villain was in sb. I was pretty proud of this lay down because these are the type I have all throughout my database with 100+bb looosers! I'll post a few hands later if I get a chance.

    CBAT yea it's cool to be able to play at work but the problem is if I am able to play it means I'm not making any money at work. When I am actually working at my job I am making good money and sometimes pretty huge money. So it's a mixed blessing to say the least. My hopes are someday to be grinding away at like 100nl making a decent supplement to my job. Then I wouldn't really give a shit if the job was slow.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Such mixed results so far this month as far as poker goes. Everyday has been about the same. Morning session goes great then fall apart in the evening. Today fortunately worked out better but I really need to work on consistency over all. Never fails either I make a dumb call with less than the nuts and I know exactly what villain has but at the last second I convince myself he just can't have it this time..BAM wrong again dumb ass. I will give myself some credit in that it does not happen near as often but I don't want it to happen at all of course. Overall for the month I am down 81bb's so could be a lot worse of course.




    The times are fucked up for some reason but still it shows how I can have a decent session or even two but fuck it off in the next one..WTF


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    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    All such std variance, don't worry bout losing 2BIs here and there or things being a bit swingy, just concentrate on playing well, you'll get used to having meh results over stretches of time, and doing awesomely during others.
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    Stop looking at results unless it gets out of hand or you're close to moving up or down, or need to withdraw. Seriously, just play some hands, play them well and the money will come. We're all guilty of it, but the less we look at these sort of things, the less we tilt one way or the other, and stop making rash decisions at the table based on how we've been playing or what's happened in the short-term.

    Did I just say something sensible? The sky must be falling...
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    Inb4 pwn
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    "It's like there is a little poker angel on my shoulder saying "FOLD YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKER" then all of a sudden the little fucker on my other shoulder says "FUCK DAT SHIT THIS BITCH IS TRYING TO STEAL YOUR SHIT.""

    For sure. I've been recording a couple vids and I'm explain why I should fold and then proceed to call. They generally have it.
    curious as to how many hands you need to play at 10nl for goldstar or fpp/hand? Whatever is easier.

    GL
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    It was like .04/hand at 10nl FR before the July promo, now that its been extended and they made the 8x changes idk what it is. Obviously more than that, probably like .06/hand or so.
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    Thanks for the comments. I really think I need to just stop looking at results at all other than maybe once a week. Didn't play one hand yesterday because the wife has been off all week and it was my day off so we worked our ass's off around the place. Then she poured us each a shot of Tequila before dinner which led to another shot etc. Well I have a hard fast rule of not playing poker after drinking! Did get in a few hands this morning after running and breakfast.

    On the healthy living side of things I completed week one of the "Couch to 5K" program. Feel pretty good about it and excited about week two which will begin Monday.
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 10-08-2010 at 05:01 PM.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    So after the comments the other day I have decided to not check my stats etc at all while playing. Actually I haven't checked them since and not sure when I will. Kind of weird and I am still not used to it but we'll see what comes of it. So I have played several sessions since and feel I have been doing ok although I continue to have some big pot/stack losses but I guess that is part of the game. Some are just do to getting it in right and the poker gods determine it's not meant to be. Those don't bother me at all and I NEVER tilt over them. The ones that bother me are the stupid ass things I bring on myself such as shoving over pre w/JJ's when I really don't have a reason to!
    I spoke with Carroters today in IRC about coaching and I think I am going to make that a priority. I feel like my game for the most part is pretty reasonable but I have some leaks that keep it from truly taking off.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Expect to see me on the 10nl 6m tables in the coming days. I'll hopefully move up pretty quickly tho.
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    UR rebuilding right? I'm sure you won't be around long!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Lol well, I've been 'rebuilding' since this time last year so idk. I gotta make ~10 BIs at 10nl before I take my first stab at 25nl so it really just depends on how kind variance wants to be to me. I could do that in one session, or one month. :P
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    So this morning the tables were all full and I just didn't want to wait around on a million waiting list so went and sat at a table with only one player. We played heads up for a few hands and I was pretty aggressive. This lasted a short time and the table filled up. I noticed I was up 25bb's pretty quickly so I did it again with pretty much the same results, so I did it again. Wash rinse repeat pretty much. It seemed like I could get up pretty quick each time but after about 10 orbits things slowed down and the tables filled up. So I decided to do a little experiment and just kept sitting at tables with 1 player playing 8-10 orbits then walking away wiff my profffits. Now I am not going to bullshit you I made a few retarded mistakes and got stacked a few times with inferior hands. Once again I convinced myself they were just playing back at my aggression when indeed they actually had woken up with big hands and my middle pair type shit was beat. But over all this seemed like a pretty good stratagy that I may have to play around with a bit. I know dranger has done similar stuff with opening new tables and letting the fish swim in. We'll see how it works out for me.

    On the healthy front things are still going good. I started the second week of C25k Monday and I continue to walk of the off days as well. Feeling good overall other than the old joints may need supplements to help out.
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 10-12-2010 at 08:00 PM.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    25BIs?? What stakes?
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    LOL...ok typo I meant to say 25bb's
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    lol 50BIs in jus a few hands is pretty sick! Oh let me know when you're wanting to get our first session underway.
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    Ok so I am running really good with this new table selection process. It really does amazing things for the redline as well. I also wonder if part of the success is because I've been pretty much leaving the tables after around +/-50 hands as it appears people start either adjusting or just stay out of the action. Over the last 3k hands I'm running just under 21bb/100 so yea really happy with that. Making some adjustments since I've not played a lot of HU. I've intentionally sat to the immediate left of the single player at the table and been really aggressive on the button and doing a fair amount of 3betting. As the table fills up I really pay attention to the others and adjust accordingly. I've only been playing a max of four tables because I really want to concentrate. At first I was concerned this would have a big effect on volume but being that so much of it is short handed you get a hell of a lot of hands in so it's pretty +EV!
    I also redid my HUD as I had fucked around with it so much over the last year or so that it was pretty fucked up. The biggest issue was the colors were all fuckered up and no matter what I did I couldn't fix it. It wouldn't even adjust if I went back to using the default setting. So I went to the HEM forum and asked how I could totally reset the hud and it worked perfect. I finally have a nice clear hud I can read with the correct stats I want.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Congrats! you just learned that liek half of pokarz is table selection!
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    Really liking this for sure. Today has been a really good day as was yesterday. Like I mentioned earlier the redline is really benefiting from this table selection process. This is a graph from today.



    Aggression is really beneficial.
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 10-13-2010 at 11:47 PM.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    conflicting with not checking stats maybe? i dun care, i check mine all the time. as long as you can separate and results dont lead to tilt. but nice job anyways and keep it up .
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    ********WARNING PITY PARTY********

    Ok so today was a shitty day to say the least. Funny thing is I really don't believe I played bad. I'm going to post a few hands from today and before you bitch about the results don't I'm posting these as therapy or what not!


    Villain is a teribal to put it mildly. He's running 68/6 betting like a tard et.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($10.32)
    UTG ($4.74)
    MP ($17.23)
    Hero (CO) ($13.24)
    Button ($9.45)
    SB ($10)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
    1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, Button bets $0.60, 2 folds, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.95) 10, A, 2 (3 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, Button calls $1.40, MP calls $1.40

    Turn: ($6.15) K (3 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $4.30, 1 fold, MP raises to $8.60, Hero raises to $11.24 (All-In), MP calls $2.64

    River: ($28.63) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $28.63 | Rake: $1.41

    Results below:
    MP had 10, 10 (three of a kind, tens).
    Hero had 10, A (two pair, Aces and tens).
    Outcome: MP won $27.22




    Villain is an absolute tard who over plays Ax so bad it's retarded. I've seen him do it numerous times. I was totally putting him on Ax.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($10)
    Button ($10.40)
    SB ($10.74)
    Hero (BB) ($11.38)
    UTG ($15.66)
    UTG+1 ($10.34)
    MP1 ($10.15)
    MP2 ($11.89)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
    5 folds, Button bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.95, Button raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.15

    Flop: ($4.25) 5, 10, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.05, Button raises to $8.30 (All-In), Hero calls $5.25

    Turn: ($20.85) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($20.85) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $20.85 | Rake: $1.03

    Results below:
    Button had A, Q (straight, five high).
    Hero had 9, 9 (one pair, nines).
    Outcome: Button won $19.82


    This one well just throw it out there as this is how my day went!

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($12.29)
    MP3 ($11.95)
    CO ($10.15)
    Hero (Button) ($10)
    SB ($9.27)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($14.78)
    UTG+1 ($8.27)
    MP1 ($4.40)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 10
    6 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.90

    Flop: ($2.65) J, J, 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

    Turn: ($6.25) J (2 players)
    BB bets $4.20, Hero raises to $6.90 (All-In), BB calls $2.70 (All-In)

    River: ($20.05) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $20.05 | Rake: $0.98

    Results below:
    Hero had 8, 10 (full house, Jacks over eights).
    BB had Q, Q (full house, Jacks over Queens).
    Outcome: BB won $19.07



    Another one that just sums up my day!

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($8.19)
    SB ($10.30)
    Hero (BB) ($10.05)
    UTG ($3.56)
    MP ($9.81)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
    2 folds, Button bets $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($1.20) 10, 8, J (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, Button raises to $1.80, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.65 (All-In), Button calls $5.99 (All-In)

    Turn: ($16.78) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($16.78) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $16.78 | Rake: $0.83

    Results below:
    Button had 9, 7 (straight, Jack high).
    Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: Button won $15.95



    And yet again!

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($10.09)
    Hero (BB) ($11.57)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, Q
    SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.60) 7, 2, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.45, SB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.75

    Turn: ($3) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.70, SB calls $1.70

    River: ($6.40) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.05, SB calls $3.05

    Total pot: $12.50 | Rake: $0.50

    Results below:
    SB had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
    Hero had 6, Q (two pair, Queens and sixes).
    Outcome: SB won $12






    Ok fuck it I'm done whining sorry to waste your time!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    i think the T8s is a fold pre. if not, it's definitely a fold turn.
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    Why is your steal sizing 4x? You're cutting your own balls on your profit if you do that consistently. Vs nittier players you can make it 3x or 2.5x OTB and have them fold making it way more profitable for you to steal.

    Maths:

    Assuming combined the SB and BB together fold 82% of the time to a steal. (This would make any two cards profitable to open.)

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 4 = .72bb (assuming we never win postflop which is pretty lol)

    1.23 - .72 = .51bb every time we steal and give up postflop when called/fold to a 3bet if we raise 4x

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 3 = .54bb

    1.23 - .54 = .69bb if we raise to 3x.

    That's a difference of .18bb for EVERY HAND we steal 3x instead of 4x.

    To put it another way, thats an added 18bb/100 hands raising 3x instead of 4x.

    Poker is a fun game isn't it?

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 2.5 = .45bb

    1.23 - .45 = .78bb every time we open to 2.5x. That's a .27bb difference, or 27bb/100 by raising to 2.5x instead of 4.

    Keep that in mind the next time you're stealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dranger7070 View Post
    Why is your steal sizing 4x? You're cutting your own balls on your profit if you do that consistently. Vs nittier players you can make it 3x or 2.5x OTB and have them fold making it way more profitable for you to steal.

    Maths:

    Assuming combined the SB and BB together fold 82% of the time to a steal. (This would make any two cards profitable to open.)

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 4 = .72bb (assuming we never win postflop which is pretty lol)

    1.23 - .72 = .51bb every time we steal and give up postflop when called/fold to a 3bet if we raise 4x

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 3 = .54bb

    1.23 - .54 = .69bb if we raise to 3x.

    That's a difference of .18bb for EVERY HAND we steal 3x instead of 4x.

    To put it another way, thats an added 18bb/100 hands raising 3x instead of 4x.

    Poker is a fun game isn't it?

    .82 * 1.5 = 1.23bb
    .18 * 2.5 = .45bb

    1.23 - .45 = .78bb every time we open to 2.5x. That's a .27bb difference, or 27bb/100 by raising to 2.5x instead of 4.

    Keep that in mind the next time you're stealing.

    Outstanding my friend!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    Outstanding my friend!

    This is good shit.

    dranger told me this a few months ago on AIM
    "Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"

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    ...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
  31. #31
    Update is over do. Following my diseasterous 8bi crash I was pretty bummed. Slowed my ass down but stumbled for a few days still loosing around 3/4bi each day. Yesterday's morning session was pretty meh but then the afternoon session rocked pretty good. I was feeling pretty good when I left work and all I could do was think about getting back on a few tables once I got home. By the time I got home I was feeling pretty tired and as I was getting my lap top out I decided the best decision really was to just not play while I was so tired. These are the type of decisions I need to make more often. If it's -EV then damn it it's -EV.

    This morning's session was really good. I lost a stack within 50 hands when I found myself with QQ. I raised, got reraised and decided a 4bet would be good. Or course villain decides a shove would be better and I called to find his very obvious AA which held up and the better hand won. This hand got me thinking pretty good, not in any type of a tilt fashion but really pretty clearly. I recalled reading where somebody was talking about getting it all in pre with QQ, AQ and even AKo without reads. So I paid attention more and when I was faced with these situations I thought it through. I asked myself have I seen this individual do anything that would lead me to believe he could/would get it in with worse? If not then I was willing to give up my 4bb's and wait for a better spot. I did make some of these calls and actually made some 4bets but only after I was able to articulate to myself why it made sense to do so.

    This mornings session ended +5bi's and other than that one stack I never got it in when I was good! +EV baby

    Almost for about the other parts of life. Started week three of the couch to 5k yesterday. Feeling really good about it and it's starting to push me more. The next couple weeks ought to be good as I am sure I will be sweating my ass off, but hey that's what this fat ass needs!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Good update and damn dranger writing that post, I have been studying blind stealing recently before seeing that and his example is short but sweet.

    About the QQ hand def. be nittier at these stakes. I wrote a post in my blog yesterday about how wide someone's 3bet% has to be before 4bet/getting it in vs. QQ+/AK becomes profitable. And even QQ+/AK is actually wider than some people's 5betshove range. At the higher stakes it's much easier to get QQ/AK in than our stakes. Just stuff to keep in mind.
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    Thanks kmind I'm heading over to your blog now!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
  34. #34
    So frustrating. I know if I could only get a handle on a few leaks things would turn around pretty good. I continue to take two steps forward then two back followed by two forward 1.95 back omg. This month is very similar to last month really up and down. Here is a peak at the month so far:



    At 14300 hands is when I started sitting at new tables which leads to a lot of hu action and improves the red line drastically. As you can see I enjoyed a 5+bi heater but then came the 8bi loser followed by a few days of just meh type shit. Then anther run hot and flop rinse repeat.
    I know some may think it's a volume issue but honestly I play numerous times a day as I am able to play at work etc. But who am I fooling maybe this is the issue. Most of the time I can go back and look at hem and there will only be a couple hands that make up for the bulk of the loss. Urghhhh I'm reallly frustrated.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it
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    Don't get frustrated. Take a day break if you need to, but I find that I rarely have good results when I feel frustrated. It is, I believe a precursor to subtle tilt.

    Good Luck,
    !luck
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    tbh harley i think you're being overly results-oriented some of the time. poker is such a longer-term game than 99% of the people who play it understand it to be (myself included). just keep trying to focus on the process (ie playing every single hand as best you can), rather than the result. after all, that's all you can do.
  37. #37
    My graph looked like that for several months. Every session was like up BI, up BI, down BI, down BI, up BI, down 2 BIs. I blamed it on variance but that wasn't it. I was making enough mistakes to be an almost breakeven player but I wanted to blame it on variance. After really studying HH's I found out that...

    -I was losing more on my weak hands than I was winning on my big hands.
    - I was not value betting.
    - I would blow them out of the pot with big hands on the flop so they wouldn't suck out on me.
    -I was making too many hero calls.
    -I refused to fold TPTK hands to a passive villian when he raised me on a dry flop.
    -I was shoving too many TPTK hands or calling too many shoves with TPTK hands
    -I refused to fold to a shove on the river when that fourth suited card hit and I didn't have a suited card and villian was a 40+ vpip.
    -I was playing too many Axs oop
    -I was setmining 22-66 without implied odds.
    -I was being too results oriented and playing money scared.
    - I was playing in big pots with weak hands
    - I was not value betting on the river
    -I was not using the BTN to take down pots that I should
    "Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"

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  38. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    My graph looked like that for several months. Every session was like up BI, up BI, down BI, down BI, up BI, down 2 BIs. I blamed it on variance but that wasn't it. I was making enough mistakes to be an almost breakeven player but I wanted to blame it on variance. After really studying HH's I found out that...

    -I was losing more on my weak hands than I was winning on my big hands.
    - I was not value betting.
    - I would blow them out of the pot with big hands on the flop so they wouldn't suck out on me.
    -I was making too many hero calls.
    -I refused to fold TPTK hands to a passive villian when he raised me on a dry flop.
    -I was shoving too many TPTK hands or calling too many shoves with TPTK hands
    -I refused to fold to a shove on the river when that fourth suited card hit and I didn't have a suited card and villian was a 40+ vpip.
    -I was playing too many Axs oop
    -I was setmining 22-66 without implied odds.
    -I was being too results oriented and playing money scared.
    - I was playing in big pots with weak hands
    - I was not value betting on the river
    -I was not using the BTN to take down pots that I should

    * These without a doubt are big issues for me as well.
    *I don't mess around with Axs oop as I learned that one already.
    *I make sure I have the implied odds when playing 22-66. Although as I was typing this out I thought to myself (I know I make sure the stack sizes are correct but am I taking into consideration villains tendencys?)
    *I've been watching the big pot weak hands thing as of late but still will make a mental note to be ultra aware!
    *Value betting not an issue I don't believe.
    *Been doing well with my btn stealing. Recent adjustment was made when Dranger pointed out my sizing sucked ass so I've changed that.

    I so appreciate all the imput when you guys stop in and check up on my dumbass. I guess I really need to remind myself this is a work in progress and all I can do is hope to continue progressing!
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  39. #39
    Ok so I'm writing this out real quick because I've just finish a good conversation with luck and he's helped me see the light. I've really been running bad, combination of run bad & play bad but what ever it is I'm down 17 bi's over the last 5 days which is by far my worst! I earned a stellar reward yesterday of 5bi's and I was still down for the day. I don't tilt at the tables but I do spend an amazing amount of time thinking about this shit. I wake up thinking about it etc and this can't be healthy for my game or self really. After all I'm not playing this game for the money like some although I do hope someday it will provide me with a nice supplement but that is not the purpose. The purpose is because I really love the game and want to be good at it, but I want to enjoy it.

    So I'm going to take a break TOTALLY from poker for the next two days. So Monday and Tuesday I will not play poker, study poker, read poker at all. This will include ftr and irc. I will continue to work on myself but not my game. I will run on my run days and walk on the off days. I will make sure I eat correctly and get an appropriate amount of sleep. I will focus on my job while at work and my wife when at home.

    My hope is to come back refreshed. To come back with a good healthy state of mind which will allow me to play my A game and study correctly. I only need to earn another 224.11 vpp's in order to maintain Goldstar and I will have more than enough time to do this by months end without those vpp's having a crazy price attached to them.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  40. #40
    sorry for jumping in right after you went on break, but as you said you don't think value betting isn't an issue, i can guarentee you that it probably is. It could be you are value betting way too thin and are costing yourself a lot from that, but much more likely there is a lot spots where you're constantly missing some thin value.
  41. #41
    Well took a full two days off and did absolutely nothing with poker. Came back today and within 325 hands was down 3 bi's and couldn't believe it. My head was clear and all I really thought was "well evidently I need something else as well." So I went about my day got lots of shit done around the house then came back and decided to play a little. I took some more advise from luck and dropped down to 5nl and just thought I'd see if I could enjoy myself and just maybe dominate for awhile. Well that plan went pretty good. I ended up playing 1600 hands @ +44.85bb/100 which felt pretty damn good. Not sure how long I will play 5nl but don't really care at this point. I want my head clear and need to polish the game so if that means 5nl for now so be it.

    On the life front things are going great. The other day I decided I really wanted to stay motivated with my running so I posted about it on facebook. I mentioned it would be cool if I could maybe run in a 5k race by my 50th birthday which is in April. Then I decided I would totally commit myself so I came up with this: Login | Facebook. Not sure if this link will work or not. What it is I created an event called 5by50with50 which is "run a 5k by my 50th birthday with atleast 50 friends. I found a race in Portland which is actually on my birthday. I'll do the 5k minimum and possibly the 10k depending on how training goes between now and then. So far I have about 30 people in total who are coming to run with me on my birthday. I'm really excited about this. I did week 4 day 2 today of the couch to 5k and felt pretty damn good about it.
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 10-27-2010 at 11:55 PM.
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    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    My devious plan worked, Im at 10nl and you are not there mhaha.

    But, sorry to hear for your continued run bad. Things will turn around.
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    How did you play 5NL differently than 10NL? I'll bet the difference is that if you lose a big pot or a BI at 5NL you shrug it off and keep grinding because $5 is insignificant compared to your BR. When I first started 25NL I had a similar mindset. I would lose a couple of BIs in 15 minutes and think OMG I just lost $50. I had better tighten up so I don't lose more and play as a 6/4 and have everyone at the table fold when I made any bet. Or maybe it's the "I deserve to win at 10NL" mentality?

    50 in April? I'll be 50 on April 22.
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  44. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    How did you play 5NL differently than 10NL? I'll bet the difference is that if you lose a big pot or a BI at 5NL you shrug it off and keep grinding because $5 is insignificant compared to your BR. When I first started 25NL I had a similar mindset. I would lose a couple of BIs in 15 minutes and think OMG I just lost $50. I had better tighten up so I don't lose more and play as a 6/4 and have everyone at the table fold when I made any bet. Or maybe it's the "I deserve to win at 10NL" mentality?

    50 in April? I'll be 50 on April 22.

    Really could be on to something here!
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    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  45. #45
    Just an all around crappy month for me. As you can see couldn't get any traction and then hit the slippery slop near the end. Dropped down to 5nl just to take it easy and try and play for fun. Obviously need to drop the volume and get a handle on my game.



    So the plan for November is to stay at 5nl and switch over to fr and grind it out. May move back up to 10nl if I can maintain a good winrate for atleast 15k hands. I'm really going to concentrate on having fun and trying to improve. My bankroll is sitting fine at about $250 but I really didn't like the downswing. That is one reason why I decided to move back to FR because I don't like how hard the hits come at 6m.

    On the irl front things are good. Going away for the weekend with the wifey. Tomorrow November 5th is our 27th anniversary so we'll spend it on the Oregon coast. Haven't missed a day on the Couch to 5k program. Tomorrow is W5D3 and will be tough for me. Each day in week 5 is different where as the other weeks each day was the same all week.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Keep at it man. I too have just failed at my 10nl shot, so ill see you at the tables. Are BR are so close together. I hope that in a a few months we can both add a zero to the end of them.
  47. #47
    Quick update. Really just been taking it easy and playing for fun more than anything. Results have been mixed up and down. I'm just not stressing over it tbh. Work has really been shitty so I have played at lot at work so the volume is high although I've only been playing 6 tables at a time.

    On the irl front I messed up Monday and couldn't get my head str8 to run. After about 15 minutes I bailed which set me back one day but Oh well it is wat it is. I'll run this afternoon and make up for it.
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  48. #48
    Only had a couple hands at this table. Loved the flop got really excited about the turn. I thought for sure he'd call or raise. Did I make a mistake by betting out?

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG Wuxvurm ($4.09)
    UTG+1 Hero ($10.36)
    MP1 98lb13ozCod ($14.23)
    MP2 hadbpoker ($14.61)
    MP3 kaoticem ($11.06)
    CO sigimundus ($6.91)
    BTN nono2805 ($6.92)
    SB yzw121212 ($9.20)
    BB gyllenborst ($4)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, kaoticem raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.80

    Flop: ($2.55, 2 players)
    Hero checks, kaoticem bets $2, Hero calls $2

    Turn: ($6.55, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3.75, kaoticem folds

    Final Pot: $10.30

    Hero wins $9.98 (net +$3.03)

    kaoticem lost $3.20


    Was so disappointed when he folded. Can't help but think I cost myself value here?
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    Considering his turn calling/raising range is always betting turn if checked to and that he can add other stuff to his turn betting range, yes I think this is a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    Was so disappointed when he folded. Can't help but think I cost myself value here?
    such a sexy turn bet if you had QcJc...
    as played you just turned your hand absolutely face-up. Insta-check unless he's bad enough to jam over with QQ/AJ.
    not sure if i prefer c-call or c-shove, both are nice.
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    c/rai turn prolly dependant on what he bets

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  52. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    such a sexy turn bet if you had QcJc...
    as played you just turned your hand absolutely face-up. Insta-check unless he's bad enough to jam over with QQ/AJ.
    not sure if i prefer c-call or c-shove, both are nice.

    I really think this is a HUGE leak of mine. I don't seem to get the value out of my premium hands like I should. I need to figure this out. I know I can't just start slow playing all my premiums but I must find the correct balance.

    Yesterday afternoon I dropped down and played a couple thousand hands of 2nl fr just to clear my head. Then after a meal break I stepped up to 5nl again fl and played a shit ton of hands but concentrating on premium hands and experimenting with lines etc. Overall afternoon was good, ran between the two about 15bb/100.
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  53. #53
    So along the lines of trying not to chase off value was this raise to large? Only been at the table for a couple rounds so don't have any stats of anybody. Would something like .45 or .65 been better to keep the pp's in etc?

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG ilym147 ($1.66)
    UTG+1 paulorfs ($3.18)
    MP ebej24/7 ($2.60)
    CO Hero ($5)
    BTN gintiz4fun ($2.71)
    SB Djerassy ($5.47)
    BB vinaorezende ($1.93)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 7 players) Hero is CO
    ilym147 raises to $0.15, paulorfs calls $0.15, ebej24/7 calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.78, 3 folds, ilym147 folds, paulorfs folds, ebej24/7 folds

    Final Pot: $1.30

    Hero wins $1.30 (net +$0.52)

    paulorfs lost $0.15
    ebej24/7 lost $0.15
    ilym147 lost $0.15
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    Raise is fine. If you raise 45 with so many callers their odds are great for calling.
    Last edited by !Luck; 11-14-2010 at 03:16 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    , Hero raises to $0.78,
    looks good to me
  56. #56
    Wow fuck me running is all I can say here!

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG Kiizu ($5)
    UTG+1 Jizig ($12.50)
    MP1 Frankie23CZ ($5.21)
    MP2 Qbaloz ($5)
    CO Hero ($10.19)
    BTN vh1987 ($6.23)
    SB Lattenmann ($7.83)
    BB vAAmpir ($4.86)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is CO
    1 fold, Jizig raises to $0.20, Frankie23CZ calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.70, 1 fold, Lattenmann raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Jizig folds, Frankie23CZ folds, Hero raises to $4.06, Lattenmann calls $2.86

    Flop: ($8.57, 2 players)
    Lattenmann checks, Hero bets $6.12, Lattenmann goes all-in $3.77

    Turn: ($18.46, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($18.46, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $18.46
    Hero shows a pair of Aces

    Lattenmann shows a straight, Seven to Jack


    Lattenmann wins $15.33 (net +$7.50)

    Hero collects $2.35 (net -$7.83)
    Jizig lost $0.20
    Frankie23CZ lost $0.20
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    It's fucking awesome that people are calling 5bets w/ J7o.
    “Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will be a material reflection for others to see of the serenity at the center of it all”

    Put hero on a goddamn range part II- The 6max years

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    3b bigger pre. 5-b sizing and flop jam are both fine

    Quote Originally Posted by supahaole View Post
    It's fucking awesome that people are calling 5bets w/ J7o.
  59. #59
    nice short session b4 work= 182hands @173.08bb/100 or 3+bi's woot woot
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  60. #60
    So I mis-clicked and found myself in this pot. Now I kinda like it and I wanna shove?

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG ChinGonZon ($7.56)
    UTG+1 Hero ($7.93)
    MP1 Yassino90 ($4.60)
    MP2 Alexander89s ($7.31)
    CO jeffisme ($5.48)
    BTN ivanxavier5 ($5.43)
    SB playseven ($18.65)
    BB rafaelc123 ($5.25)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, Yassino90 calls $0.05, 2 folds, ivanxavier5 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, rafaelc123 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, Yassino90 calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.62, 4 players)
    rafaelc123 checks, Hero checks, Yassino90 bets $0.45, ivanxavier5 raises to $0.90, rafaelc123 folds, Hero calls $0.90, Yassino90 calls $0.45

    ivanzavier5 is pretty tight(10/2) and I know this is well into his range as it is Yassino90's (21/10) as well. I figure either one could have a str8 or a draw of course but I figure what the hell lets see what comes up next.

    Turn: ($3.32, 3 players)
    If I put Yassino90 on JJ+, AKs, KQs,AKo,KQo nad ivanxavier5 on KK+, AKs,AKo I'm pretty dominated by Yassino90. At the time I was thinking ok I got 9 outs to the nuts and 4 to atleast a split. Doubt I have much fold equity really.

    Hero ($6.88)?


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    i see three misclicks in this hand
    just fold the fucking flop dude.
  62. #62
    Yea I had a discussion in irc and saw the light! Another goober fuckup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    Yea I had a discussion in irc and saw the light! Another goober fuckup!
    we all make them
    may i present, for your entertainment, a few dumb hands from me today:

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($27.41)
    SB ($25)
    BB ($25)
    Hero (UTG) ($29.30)
    UTG+1 ($19.08)
    MP1 ($17.73)
    MP2 ($28.68)
    MP3 ($25)
    CO ($13.95)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero bets $1.10, UTG+1 calls $1.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.10, 5 folds

    Flop: ($3.90) 10, 6, 10 (3 players)
    Hero bets $2.40, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.80, Hero raises to $7.20, MP2 raises to $27.58 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $18.30 | Rake: $0.91

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($38.55)
    Hero (BB) ($25)
    UTG ($25)
    UTG+1 ($25)
    MP1 ($25.35)
    MP2 ($17.34)
    CO ($9.10)
    Button ($16.85)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
    3 folds, MP2 bets $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2, MP2 calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.10) 5, 10, 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 checks

    Turn: ($4.10) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.10, MP2 calls $2.10

    River: ($8.30) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4

    Total pot: $16.30 | Rake: $0.81

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($44.02)
    CO ($31.18)
    Button ($38.64)
    SB ($27.46)
    Hero (BB) ($26.39)
    UTG ($25.35)
    MP1 ($25.22)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 4
    2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.60) J, 2, 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.60, MP2 raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.80

    Turn: ($5.40) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $5.40, Hero calls $5.40

    River: ($16.20) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $35.97 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $16.20 | Rake: $0.81

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($38.45)
    Hero (MP1) ($25)
    MP2 ($25)
    CO ($25.35)
    Button ($25.35)
    SB ($9.20)
    BB ($16.85)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.85, MP2 raises to $3, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5.60, MP2 raises to $14, 1 fold

    Total pot: $11.55 | Rake: $0

    Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($7.25)
    UTG ($15)
    UTG+1 ($11.82)
    MP1 ($23.14)
    MP2 ($48.65)
    MP3 ($7.72)
    Hero (CO) ($27.29)
    Button ($25)
    SB ($27.94)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
    5 folds, Hero bets $0.70, 1 fold, SB calls $0.60, 1 fold

    Flop: ($1.65) 6, 3, Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

    Turn: ($3.85) K (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.92, SB calls $1.92

    River: ($7.69) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $22.69, Hero folds

    Total pot: $17.69 | Rake: $0.88

    Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($4.72)
    SB ($27.89)
    BB ($25)
    UTG ($17.26)
    UTG+1 ($25)
    MP1 ($27.16)
    MP2 ($59.69)
    MP3 ($24.15)
    Hero (CO) ($58.27)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A
    3 folds, MP2 bets $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.87, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.02

    Flop: ($4.09) 10, J, 2 (2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.10, MP2 raises to $4.20, Hero calls $2.10


    feel better?
  64. #64
    I appreciate your sharing daven. I tell ya I'm just mixing up the run bad with the spew bad and it equals disaster!

    ********** WARNING WHINNING BITCH AHEAD **********

    Here is how my morning session pretty much started off.

    1) Could/should I have seen this coming, or is this just one of those coolers poker deals you?

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    9 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG LAST_PAMPERS ($4.83)
    UTG+1 mrs. Mcflock ($2.07)
    MP1 viki36 ($12.50)
    MP2 mr_samedi ($5.70)
    MP3 JustDustyThx ($5.35)
    CO Hero ($7.35)
    BTN hmcgomes ($5.51)
    SB koburn ($6.95)
    BB juane7897 ($4.85)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is CO
    4 folds, JustDustyThx calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, JustDustyThx calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.57, 2 players)
    JustDustyThx checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.57, 2 players)
    JustDustyThx checks, Hero checks

    River: ($0.57, 2 players)
    JustDustyThx bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.65, JustDustyThx raises to $2.90, Hero raises to $5.92, JustDustyThx goes all-in $2.20, Hero says "nh"

    Final Pot: $11.59
    Hero shows a flush, Ace high

    JustDustyThx shows a full house, Fours full of Eights


    JustDustyThx wins $10.24 (net +$4.89)

    Hero collects $0.82 (net -$5.35)



    2) Not much I guess I could do about this one as I got it in good but maybe I shouldn't have been so overly aggressive?

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    9 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG Herr_Castor ($1.46)
    UTG+1 LordFalkon ($6.44)
    MP1 timmalibu ($2.02)
    MP2 yarik1 ($1.93)
    MP3 Tassick ($4)
    CO PokerAleman ($7.73)
    BTN Ludops1 ($5.74)
    SB ninpert21 ($5.29)
    BB Hero ($7.27)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, timmalibu calls $0.05, 5 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.12, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.10, timmalibu raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.70, timmalibu raises to $1.15, Hero raises to $2.88, timmalibu goes all-in $0.82

    Turn: ($4.97, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($4.97, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $4.97
    timmalibu shows two pair, Queens and Eights

    Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Eights


    timmalibu wins $3.86 (net +$1.84)

    Hero collects $0.91 (net -$2.02)


    3.) This one here I didn't mind seeing the flop because both the others in are fairly loose and I figure I'll get paid off if I hit.

    Ranges about the same sexbeer (34/16) and froned (31/17) both only have about 50ish hands on 22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,J9 o+,T9o.

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    8 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG papatango123 ($3.57)
    UTG+1 sexbeer ($3.92)
    MP1 novice969 ($11.48)
    MP2 lühikene ($9.27)
    CO Froned ($4.44)
    BTN benharpas ($2.96)
    SB Hero ($5.04)
    BB Z Hickman ($4.98)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is SB
    1 fold, sexbeer raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Froned calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.18, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.65, 3 players)
    ok I think I hit this one strong lets see about getting some money into the pot.
    Hero bets $0.46, sexbeer raises to $0.95, Froned folds, Hero raises to $2.78, sexbeer goes all-in $3.72, Hero calls $0.94
    when sexbeer raises me I narrow his range to something like QQ+,99,AKs,KQs,AKo,KQo but I feel it could even be looser than this but at this I'm a 60.788% I'm so comfortable getting it in here. AMIRITE?


    Turn: ($8.09, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($8.09, 2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $8.09
    sexbeer shows three of a kind, Jacks

    Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Nines


    sexbeer wins $7.69 (net +$3.77)

    Froned lost $0.20
    Hero lost $3.92


    By now I'm pretty fucking flustered and if I had an since at all I'd close this fucker up and eat myself some breakfast but OH NO I gotta do some dumb shit for sure!

    4) $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    9 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG pee5i ($17.80)
    UTG+1 SAVA1A ($4)
    MP1 mapone ($12.50)
    MP2 Hero ($5)
    MP3 Jigan-limon ($5.07)
    CO novice969 ($17.85)
    BTN Bilutza87 ($3.06)
    SB Markell04 ($4.71)
    BB hmcgomes ($6.15)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is MP2
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 4 folds, hmcgomes raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.28, hmcgomes calls $0.68

    Flop: ($2.58, 2 players)
    hmcgomes checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($2.58, 2 players)
    hmcgomes checks, Hero checks

    River: ($2.58, 2 players)
    hmcgomes checks, Hero bets $1.24, hmcgomes calls $1.24

    Final Pot: $5.06
    hmcgomes shows a pair of Kings

    Hero shows a pair of Jacks


    hmcgomes wins $4.82 (net +$2.30)

    Hero lost $2.52
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    ATo. c-bet flop, then take the free card on the turn, then don't be 4-betting that river cos villians are only very rarely 3betting here without the nuts on a 4-flush board. River fold vs the 3b most of the time if villain has shown any tendency to be not be incredibly stupid.

    J5s nh sir, don't change anything

    J9s you are at a positional and card disadvantage and are going to struggle to get sufficient value if you hit vs players who are < 100bb deep. Fold pre. As played you're prety much fucked whenever you get it in with bottom two multi-way on this board.

    JJ 4b ip is interesting, i'm not sure what your plan is? I probably call pre, then race to showdown. river bet is unnecessary, it would be ok for thin value if villain had TT in his range, but he doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    ATo. c-bet flop, then take the free card on the turn, then don't be 4-betting that river cos villians are only very rarely 3betting here without the nuts on a 4-flush board. *River fold vs the 3b most of the time if villain has shown any tendency to be not be incredibly stupid.

    J5s nh sir, don't change anything

    **J9s you are at a positional and card disadvantage and are going to struggle to get sufficient value if you hit vs players who are < 100bb deep. Fold pre. As played you're prety much fucked whenever you get it in with bottom two multi-way on this board.

    ***JJ 4b ip is interesting, i'm not sure what your plan is? I probably call pre, then race to showdown. river bet is unnecessary, it would be ok for thin value if villain had TT in his range, but he doesn't.
    * This will take so much disapline but I guess that is what it takes to keep progressing.

    **I'll be keeping this in mind for sure. These are the little things I need to be considering!

    *** I think the only plan here was to tilt off some money out of frustration. Not often to I contribute much to tilt but today I was pretty damn flustered and didn't recognize it soon enough.

    Really appreciate you taking an interest and all your input!
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    Harley,
    I honestly think you hate to fold.
    I think your two biggest problems are tilt and FPS

    I'm an uber nit so take this how you want.
    Try this for one session:

    -Fold alot
    -Plan your hand pre flop and follow the plan-If you don't have time to think of a plan then fold cause you probably didn't need to be in the hand anyway.
    -Think about why you are doing anything you're doing.
    -Play with no emotion.-This was my biggest problem and still is sometimes but I'm working on it.
    -If you get in a tough spot then fold.
    -Your TPTK gets raised, fold without a good reason to continue and a good reason is not "OMG I has K's"
    -You get 3bet, fold without KK, AA
    -No FPS at all whatsoever
    -Take one note for every showdown whether you're in it or not. If you don't have time then drop a table until you do.
    -No triple mis-clicks


    If you are bored shitless then you're doing it right.
    I have notes similar to some of these on my monitor and I move them around alot. Actually my wife keeps taking them down and I put them back up. I don't complain about her taking them down because they remind me when I put them back up. I always follow them unless I have a specific reason not to (reads).

    GL
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    Mostly, good advice but this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. If you are bored take notes on other players. And if your too bored to take notes, then sit the fuck out!

    You don't need to be in a hand to take notes.
    You don't need to be in a hand to take notes.
    You don't need to be in a hand to take notes.
    You don't need to be in a hand to take notes.

    If you are playing 6 tables there is so many note taking opportunities it is crazy to be bored. Even if you run 13/11, cause the fish don't.

    GL man, but remember that bottom 2 pair doesn't beat a set, thus folding TPTK vs nit is same thing as folding bottom two pair. Against some nits Even AK on AK3r flop might be fold as disgusting as it may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by !Luck View Post
    If you are bored shitless then you're doing it right.


    Mostly, good advice but this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. If you are bored take notes on other players. And if your too bored to take notes, then sit the fuck out!....
    True. Shoulda left this part out. I guess I was trying to get across that it maybe more boring than what he's used to.

    Quote Originally Posted by !Luck View Post
    Against some nits Even AK on AK3r flop might be fold as disgusting as it may be.
    Not sure I could fold this. Wait, I'm fairly positive I couldn't fold this.
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    So guys I can't tell you how much I appreciate your advice. Wouldn't blame anybody if they just gave up on my dumb ass sometimes. So I actually read through Sasquach and ilucks comments a bit ago and was thinking to myself "I don't have a problem folding!" So I thought hell I'm going to post my stats to show them. So I took a screen shot and all of a sudden I look down and it's blarring right at me. Hell I'm not having a problem folding pre but god damn if I get in a hand then it's fucking near impossible. My cbet stats appear to be crazy amirite?
    Please if you've taken the time to read this blog please take a couple more minutes and roast my ass!



    Edited do to stat totals not showing up. Can't get the fucker to show the new screen shot that has the totals at the bottom sorry.
    Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 11-16-2010 at 08:04 PM.
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    1st - it would be a very rare spot for it to be good to fold AK on AK3rb 100bb deep, hell, you've even got close to 15% equity against a range of exactly 33, add AK/A3/K3 to the mix and... but folding AA on 974 multiway vs nit-heat is definitely something you need to start thinking about.
    2nd - notes are over-rated that's cos of the type of notes people tend to take and an ability to apply them in future decision making.

    @ harley, critiquing hands is good for me - so no problem! you post 'em, i'll get all opinionated

    ok. Stats. see this post - particularly renton's stats. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...nl-183816.html, note that renton is a strong player, and still doesn't like playing wide out of position. Embrace your nit. How to be a nit vs your stats? first, being a nit doesn't mean folding more hands, it means playing more position and accurately identifying value spots post-flop. Including spots to fold for value ($ saved is a $, iunno, something).

    1 - ok, you know about position but don't really believe how much of an advantage position provides. This is evident in the hands you post and your stats confirm this, see 2 & 3
    2 - Tighter in ep wouldn't be a bad thing cos you're going to want to do that as you move up anyway. 77+/AQs+ is fine from first two positions.
    3 - You are way TOO nit from the cutoff and button, these are where you want to play most hands. Isolate station limpers with good showdown cards, isolate weak-folding limpers whenever.
    4 - Your 3-bet looks like constant ranges irrespective of where villain is opening from. Not ideal
    5 - W$WSD should be >>50 at micros for sure. When it's less it means you're calling too much vs post-flop action. It's ok to fold when a 6% pfr starts raising your bets on the flop, even if you have an overpair.. I'm not sure, but it may be optimal to have W$WSD of close to 60% at micros...
    6 - cbet - looks high, like you said. But it's not stupid high, especially if your sizing is good (i.e. varies by texture, gives you appropriate required % success for +EV, etc) Choose good spots. There is a lot written on c-betting around the place, get into it. Identify whether villain is a station or not as a first step.

    i played nit again yesterday, stats below. It was even a huge winning session (10bi), suggests, yet again, that it's time to keep my VPIP below the 18-20 range! Anyway, these stats aren't optimal, and sb in particular is leaky, but it gives an idea of positional starting hand variation. Ignore my c-bet stat - i play a very non-standard c-betting game. I'm calling too much from the button too..

    Last edited by daven; 11-16-2010 at 09:54 PM.
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    i predict nit harley is gonna make a bunch of micro players start crying
    cos he's gonna find his fold button
    and value bet thin

    <daven> on A74tt vs a nit when you cbet and he c-shoves
    <daven> and you have the flush ace
    <daven> and a non flush K
    <daven> you are ahead of?
    <Harley_Grindin> see I get all excited and don't even think about it
    <Harley_Grindin> I would always think they must have k or q high
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    What's your UTG,UTG+1 opening range? I tried to guess it based on percentages came up with 22+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo. Could be sample size.

    For your information I run 18+/15+, but my UTG range is tighter than yours. Post your ATS. Oh and my SB VP is less than my UTG VP (not saying that' right but I am total nit out of position).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    -Fold alot
    -Plan your hand pre flop and follow the plan-If you don't have time to think of a plan then fold cause you probably didn't need to be in the hand anyway.
    -Think about why you are doing anything you're doing.
    -Play with no emotion.-This was my biggest problem and still is sometimes but I'm working on it.
    -If you get in a tough spot then fold.
    -Your TPTK gets raised, fold without a good reason to continue and a good reason is not "OMG I has K's"
    -You get 3bet, fold without KK, AA
    -No FPS at all whatsoever
    -Take one note for every showdown whether you're in it or not. If you don't have time then drop a table until you do.

    If you are bored shitless then you're doing it right.

    I'm sorry most of this is horrible advice. trying to oversimplify poker leads to horrible results.

    planning a hand before the flop even comes is just disasterous. there are like a billion combos of flops and making a plan before you see it is just stupid. wait till the flop, evaulate things like bet sizing and timing tells then make a plan reguarding turns and be willing to adapt it to unexpected actions.

    how the bloody fk do you expect to improve if you fold every tough spot? tough spots make poker fun and if you fold all of them poker gets really boring really quick.

    folding all but the nuts to 3bs is im sorry moronic. this is why people suck in 3b pots when they move up because hurrr durrr i have no idea how to play them because ive never played them without the nuts

    taking notes for standard spots is dumb. if you did you'd have a 10000 useless notes. you want to take notes on the unusual things your oppenents do or their tendencies with big hands and bluffs. not, raised AK, bet 442, bet turn K and bet 4 river. this is a pointless note. more useful would be, what he does facing a c/r does he snap fold? if so hes probably not thinking to much, did he timebank? if so then he's either thinking and capable of making some folds.

    if you are bored shitless you are definetely doing something very very very wrong

    ?wut
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    Maybe I should be more clear on the type of notes I take. All I care about are:

    1) Does he play flushes aggressively on the flop
    2) Does he slow play sets on the flop
    3) Does he bluff his missed draws on the river.

    These notes are simple to use, even for feeble mind such as mine.

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