worse trips

[philly and the phanatics]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($5.02)
Hero (BB) ($4.59)
UTG ($4.76)
UTG+1 ($5.05)
MP1 ($4.57)
MP2 ($8.30)
CO ($5)
Button ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 6
UTG calls $0.05, 6 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12) 10, 5, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.36) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.36, UTG raises to $0.72, Hero calls $0.36

River: ($1.80) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Total pot: $4.80 | Rake: $0.32

villain is 24/5/20 through 40 hands

check flop?

[Roller]

Philly

Check Flop ?

Why not Check Raise on the River?

[philly and the phanatics]

pretty positive im facing higher trips here his line isnt really that queeny but even then idk its whack i know thats why i posted it i guess

[spoonitnow]

If you were a dog I would beat you with a rolled up newspaper while yelling PUT YOUR OPPONENT ON A GODDAMN RANGE!!

[rpm]

i prefer checking the flop because we only really get value from the straight draws in villain's range on that board. potting the turn i like, as any two clubs now call, and he may still call with any 66-99, as well as any queen or straight/flush draw. when he minraises you on the turn i doubt he has draws often, perhaps something like 55, AT, KT, QT, JT, T9, T8s (if he vpip's 25% he would probably be limping these because theyre suited), and QJ+ (raising it up to "see where he's at" in the hand) against which your equity is:

Board: Ts 5c Qd Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.906% 60.09% 03.81% 1560 99.00 { Td6d }
Hand 1: 36.094% 32.28% 03.81% 838 99.00 { 55, AQs, ATs, KQs, KTs, QTs+, JTs, T8s+, AQo, ATo, KQo, KTo, QTo+, JTo, T9o }



so obviously you can call his shitty minraise. as played i'm thinking his river betting range is pretty much only very strong hands - 55 or any ten (all of which have you beat, assuming he doesnt limp T2s-T5s). given that he bet 1.5 into 1.8, you are getting pot odds of roughly 2.2:1, meaning you have to have the best hand roughly 31% of the time. which i honestly dont believe you do. that said, your hand still has value against villain's range on the river, so i'd maybe prefer betting about $1.40 for value (i doubt he folds any of the range i assigned him on the turn to a river bet) and folding to a substantial raise.

[jaytoi]

If he wasn't a dog you probably would too , right?

He's limping UTG, a bit LAgg so maybe he's doing this with SC type hands 78+ or big pairs QQ+, hoping for the limp reraise . PF, His limping range is wide (19 ish %) so something like {55+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+}.

On the flop probably check/call, because worse is just snapfolding and only better will call. It's a rainbow flop and there's minimal straight drawage (JK,J9). His continuing range at this point may be as wide as{QQ+,55,ATs,A6s,KTs,QTs,T9s+,QTo,QJ+,T9o+} though AQ and pairs KK+ will raise 95 percent of the time.

On the turn his range probably narrows down to {T9s+, T9o+, QQ, maybe AQ-QK and AA,KK}. Even against this range you have like 65 % equity because your 10 is a powerful blocker.

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Board: Ts 5c Qd Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.600% 31.89% 02.71% 940 80.00 { QQ+, 55, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, AQo, T9o }
Hand 1: 65.400% 62.69% 02.71% 1848 80.00 { T6s }

Looks like an obv call to the check minraise, and probably the river too as the 7 doesn't really change your equity much and you only need about 40% ish to call.

But yeh as played def just check /call if not check/fold flop.

[jaytoi]

woop looks like i took too long to reply, lol

[rpm]

i attempted to find out at how wide villain's range has to be (starting at the river range i assigned him, and gradually inserting hands from the turn range in order of strength) and found that if he ever does this with AQ, a snap fold becomes a roughly break-even call. turns out that (i guess) due to the few possible combos of Tx available because you hold one, if villain bets the river with AQ we have a roughly break-even call:

Board: Ts 5c Qd Tc 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.579% 31.58% 00.00% 12 0.00 { Td6d }
Hand 1: 68.421% 68.42% 00.00% 26 0.00 { 55, AQs, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T8s+, AQo, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T8o+ }

obviously it's debatable if he limps AQ, and i still prefer the bet/fold line on river, but it's interesting to see how the blockers involved in this hand can make such a difference between a snap fold (you have 0% equity versus T8+, 55) and a break even call (you have 31% with the addition to that range of just 12 combos between AQo and AQs)

[philly and the phanatics]

i attempted to find out at how wide villain's range has to be (starting at the river range i assigned him, and gradually inserting hands from the turn range in order of strength) and found that if he ever does this with AQ, a snap fold becomes a roughly break-even call. turns out that (i guess) due to the few possible combos of Tx available because you hold one, if villain bets the river with AQ we have a roughly break-even call:

Board: Ts 5c Qd Tc 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.579% 31.58% 00.00% 12 0.00 { Td6d }
Hand 1: 68.421% 68.42% 00.00% 26 0.00 { 55, AQs, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T8s+, AQo, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T8o+ }

obviously it's debatable if he limps AQ, and i still prefer the bet/fold line on river, but it's interesting to see how the blockers involved in this hand can make such a difference between a snap fold (you have 0% equity versus T8+, 55) and a break even call (you have 31% with the addition to that range of just 12 combos between AQo and AQs)

thanks rpm and jay loi great thought out responses, thanks again.

sorry spoony, havent been in the swing for a while and ranges never became natural for me (still working on it)

[rpm]

sorry spoony, havent been in the swing for a while and ranges never became natural for me (still working on it)

me neither. i'm terrible at forming ranges. but i'm getting better by doing exercises like the one i did around the hand in this thread.