Criteria for bad beat?

[ponyboy]

I was just surfing through the bad beat forum and I was surprised at how many hands are posted that are not bad beats (in my opinion) because the hero was totally behind either preflop or after the turn and simply refused to fold to the evidence that they were beaten as the betting progresses.

My criteria for a bad beat is the villain landing one of less than four outs on the river and taking down my hand that was dominating until then. Either that or hitting their cards after going all in preflop. This can be with trash (usually suited hitting a flush or runner runner straight) or just a lesser pocket pair.

However, betting hard into a hand, getting raised and pushing with two pair and suddenly facing trips is not a bad beat. It's bad judgement. If I run into a situation like that I usually chastise myself, not my opponent.

Opinions?

[d0zer]

The international council for bad beat standards states the following on page 114 of the bad beat handbook:

Yea, and it was decreed that no hand shall be considered a bad beat less hero was an 80% favorite to win when teh majority of teh monies got in the middle. And it was good, and the grinders rejoiced in the news.

[oskar]

I really think we need some international standards here.
I would say you have to be at least a 90% favourite and the pot should be at least 200BB and => 200$ or for a tournament position of equal or higher value.

My best one so far:
I have Q8, villain has Q9
Flop Q39
He bet, I put him all in, and I drew out. This was only a 50$ pot, but I am very proud of my ability to suck out in this spot.

[JKDS]

similar thing with people saying "nice catch" etc. AK vs AJs all in preflop , J on flop, K on river. AJ goes "nice catch". I dont get it...best hand won.

[daven]

badbeat = get it all-in as >50% favourite and lose. How bad the beat is depends on how big a favourite you were when the money went in.
One outers with one street left to play are quite bad. Top set vs underpair on rainbow flop is probably worse.
That is all.

[TLR]

badbeat = get it all-in as >50% favourite and lose.

You have just included all races as bad beats

[Robb]

badbeat = get it all-in as >50% favourite and lose.

You have just included all races as bad beats

Any beat is bad if we were a favorite to win when the monies went in. So I agree with daven, here.

I think the point of the thread, however, should be this - if you're wasting time posting in the bad beat forum, you're...well, wasting time and energy you could spend more productively. Like learning to handle bad beats without tilting. Like playing more hands to allow the positive variance to visit you. Like learning not to be results oriented.

[bjsaust]

A flip is a flip, stop being silly. Saying that losing a 53% is a bad beat is just dumb.

My measurement would be around 75% favorite when money went in.

Lots of people do post coolers in the bad beat forum though. Its mainly just a place to bitch and rant at the poker gods in general.

Bad beat = strong favorite when money went in, villain sucks out.
Cooler = big hand you're correct to get all in with, but villain happens to have a better hand.
Justice = getting ai v's a slowplayer as a dog and sucking out .

[d0zer]

My measurement would be around 75% favorite when money went in.

See, I don't even think 75% is enough cause of:

Board: 8c 5d 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 74.899% 74.44% 00.45% 2211 13.50 { 88 }
Hand 1: 25.101% 24.65% 00.45% 732 13.50 { AcKc }


So someone semi-bluff pushes and ooops runs into a set but OMG his flush hits and w00t! ...i don't think that's really a bad beat for the set. So standard.

[JKDS]

if i lose trips to a draw i consider it a bad beat. Especially since i got him to put all his chips in as a significant dog.

[bigred]

This one time I pushed with AA pf and a guy called with KK and he hit a K!!!! How bad is he?!?!?!?!

[Deanglow]

i think bad beats can be considered coolers too.

[kingnat]

If one of a small number of cards comes out that unfortunately improves your opponents hand it is either a cooler or bad beat... the determing factor is the time at which most of the money gets in the pot. Of course if you fucked up the hand to begin (omg slowplay... etc) with then it's your own fault.

[davegrohl]

Getting your money in ahead and still losing.

[sil693]

My measurement would be around 75% favorite when money went in.

What if it was 74%??

If we are ahead at all when the money goes in, and we lose, its a beat. It might not be that bad, but its still a beat.

>50% favourite IMO.

[bjsaust]

That would be a spectacular reply if the question was 'definition of a beat', but unfortunately the question was 'definition of a bad beat' .

Who gives a shit about 1 or 2% either way, wtf.

[d0zer]

Guys, my sarcastic initial response was supposed to end the thread by showing how silliness of assuming there was some criteria set out for what a 'bad beat' was.

'sall shades of 'bad'gray after 50...

[Robb]

Guys, my sarcastic initial response was supposed to end the thread by showing how silliness of assuming there was some criteria set out for what a 'bad beat' was.

Questionable read, dozer, if you thought demonstrated silliness would shut down a thread here

Maybe shoulda laid it down pre!

[d0zer]

holy crap that sentence of mine was terrible. That's what you get for getting interrupted in the middle of posting and not re-reading what you've written.

And yeah...I didn't REALLY think it would end the thread


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[LincolnSE]

When your opponent has skim outs & catches on the river, I consider that a bad beat.

[SoCalBruce]

Well, I'm still new at this, but personally, I would say, if i flopped a nice flush out the gate ("Bingo, Bango Bongo!" -Mike Sexton), the turn didn't help anyone, (as far as *I* could read, with my newbie skills), and I just KNEW I had that pot, made a big bet, got called (uh oh) and then...on the river....someone would either draw to a full house, or, as happened once, 4 of a kind. Maybe not a bad beat at WPT levels, but it got my $100 or whatever

[a500lbgorilla]

The international council for bad beat standards states the following on page 114 of the bad beat handbook:

Yea, and it was decreed that no hand shall be considered a bad beat less hero was an 80% favorite to win when teh majority of teh monies got in the middle. And it was good, and the grinders rejoiced in the news.

[JKDS]

The international council for bad beat standards states the following on page 114 of the bad beat handbook:

Yea, and it was decreed that no hand shall be considered a bad beat less hero was an 80% favorite to win when teh majority of teh monies got in the middle. And it was good, and the grinders rejoiced in the news.

ya, but then the flop came and he hit quads...