Return of Da GOAT

[Da GOAT]

Well Multiple blogs seem to be the norm around here so ill join in so i can be cool too!!!

Currently im sitting on top of €2,950. I withdrew a HUGE chunk to pay off my car loan early (which just cleared today). About a month or so ago I sat my final chartered accountancy exams which I had 8 weeks prior to study so not alot of poker development happened though I still played some.

This blog is to help me focus more and I hope to update regularly and make my post of a better quality (i usually update when in work but i dont have HHs ever with me). Vi's operation thread has set a great standard for what an operation thread should be and how you can improve from doing so.

Im gonna play 100NL of 6max and Full Ring and take shots at 200NL when I feel im playing well. Lately Im lacking a little bit of confidence regards my own poker level, there is so much I dont know. I dont get the option to play a ton anymore but what i can get is okay now, if i used this time to study PT instead of playing I would feel alot better.

[grnydrowave2]

Awww man, I was going to bump the old one, but you acknowledged it.

Ah well, good luck. What sites do you play at?

[Da GOAT]

Awww man, I was going to bump the old one, but you acknowledged it.

Ah well, good luck. What sites do you play at?

Awwwww man x 2 lol

Ive withdrawn all funds on Prima, overall im down 2.4K on prima on PT though im sure im break even given bonuses and RB so meh. Ive money on Titan (which initially seems better than prima for fish), and Ive money stuck on everest until the security clears there). Prima is an absolute dog for cashouts (aint that right TJ) BTW can take from 4-7 days I found. Everest isnt to much better either. SO titan here I come though Ive picked a bonus that will be too hard to clear IMO, could of done with getting small quick fire bonuses to bump the BR back up.

[Taxi]

I'm 100NL 6max on Titan too, no doubt we'll run into each other soon.
GL with the blog, the last one was a good read for me, watching you move up thru the micros.

[Da GOAT]

I'm 100NL 6max on Titan too, no doubt we'll run into each other soon.
GL with the blog, the last one was a good read for me, watching you move up thru the micros.

My last one didnt turn out to be what i wanted the thread to be, but thats bcoz i didnt put alot of time into it. I wanna start putting some thoughts onto this so i improve and keep impproving.

Whats you SN?

[Taxi]

Taxi5555 yours? I've only been there 10k hands or so though, but I am going to be playing lotssssss more now though.

I havent got much of a comparison to go on but I havent found a problem finding fish on Titan so far

[Da GOAT]

Taxi5555 yours? I've only been there 10k hands or so though, but I am going to be playing lotssssss more now though.

I havent got much of a comparison to go on but I havent found a problem finding fish on Titan so far

I dont think Ive even 3K hands there yet. Just joined late last week and havent been able to play over the weekend much.

SN is GimmeAChance

[Miffed22001]

goat, are u mentioned on the stickies on 2+2 as one of the better players?
Im sure i saw one of your SNs...

[Da GOAT]

goat, are u mentioned on the stickies on 2+2 as one of the better players?
Im sure i saw one of your SNs...

Not that I know, linky plz. If you cant find it I take 10K posts off you.

[Miffed22001]

this is the right forum. i know 2 of my ongame and one AP nick is mentioned. Itll be labelled ap/ongame/everest etc regs.



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/po...rd=ssplnlpoker

[Miffed22001]

meh, actual thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ge=5&fpart=all

[Da GOAT]

Ok, i looked thru this before and didnt think i saw my name but ill have another glance while in work 2m

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

thanks for the compliment, and i definitely agree that my operation thread here at FTR has helped me to focus hard on improving my game.

good luck finding enough time to play, and getting reestablished at 200NL!

[silu73]

Good luck with the new op goat. In case you want to share, how big was your BR before you cashed out?

[Da GOAT]

Good luck with the new op goat. In case you want to share, how big was your BR before you cashed out?

Silu73 (BTW you change your Username?)

I dont mind you asking at all. The highest point of my BR i think was €8.6K but it dwindled down to about 7K when I withdrew 4K to payoff one of my loans. I was getting a little stressed with my real life financial situation. Im mostly a trainee accountant still and get paid very very little in real life, lol losing a few buyins at 100nl never really bothers me too much but if i lost that in real life id be on life tilt lol.

Anyway when its my lunch break here in work i will post stuff on my session last night, i will try keep the post up to a good standard esp incl. ranges which i really want to get better at which in turn will help my bet sizing decisions. Ive spoken to JGB. spenda and TJ about writing an article on bet sizing. It would be a major undertaking and i think ive alot of literature to get through before i can put something good together. I def dont wanna just copy and paste some random bits together bcoz it will help nobody really, i want to really understand what im writing and answer questions on each bit and back up what im writing.

Vi,

Definitely have become a good player man. Congrats!!

[Da GOAT]

Awwwww crap i didnt attach my HHs to my email account. Cant post the frigging hands yet then. shite!! Was looking forward to it.

[Da GOAT]

+$280, 650 hands.

#1 - Just before this hand i realised opp was calling me alot IP and floating me over the last 3 hands together.

EverestPoker Game #2253211814: Table Moroni-8 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:56:49 - 2007/10/22
Seat 1: DaGOAT ($199.85)
Seat 2: fiftycents28 ($149.68)
Seat 3: mrwijk ($91.40)
Seat 4: Drumman ($43.67)
Seat 5: Ramano ($104.50)
Seat 6: audencia ($22.27)
Seat 7: _Klass_ ($157.00)
Seat 8: ateepic ($14.22)
Seat 9: laroussi ($12.00)
Seat 10: juanrito ($24.00)
ateepic posts the small blind of $0.50
laroussi posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaGOAT[Qs Kh]
juanrito folds
DaGOAT raises to $3.50
fiftycents28 folds
mrwijk folds
Drumman folds
Ramano calls $3.50
audencia folds
_Klass_ folds
ateepic folds
laroussi folds
*** FLOP *** [3c Js Ks]
DaGOAT bets $6.00
Ramano calls $6.00----------(any draw, any pair,air)
*** TURN *** [3c Js Ks] [Ts]
DaGOAT checks
Ramano bets $15.00----------(alot of weaker hands IMO too)
DaGOAT calls $15.00---------( I feel ahead now and dont feel the need to stop him bluffing)
*** RIVER *** [3c Js Ks Ts] [Kc]
DaGOAT checks
Ramano bets $30.00
DaGOAT calls $30.00

#2 - If i raised ill be called by 2 opp's OOP so ill decide to limp in SB

EverestPoker Game #2253150105: Table Moroni-1 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:45:30 - 2007/10/22
Seat 1: -Om2Nancy- ($102.08)
Seat 2: amoros77 ($100.00)
Seat 3: Kap1tein ($26.15)
Seat 4: asso_il_re ($59.60)
Seat 5: rflush1 ($120.90)
Seat 6: wackre123 ($25.70)
Seat 7: Ramano ($111.65)
Seat 8: DaGOAT ($122.90)
Seat 9: BUMPHY ($124.50)
Seat 10: BigSlick79 ($79.30)
DaGOAT posts the small blind of $0.50
BUMPHY posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaGOAT[Js Ah]
BigSlick79 folds
-Om2Nancy- calls $1.00
Kap1tein folds
asso_il_re folds
rflush1 folds
wackre123 folds
Ramano calls $1.00
DaGOAT calls $0.50
BUMPHY checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 8c 5c]
DaGOAT bets $4.00
BUMPHY raises to $8.00
-Om2Nancy- folds
Ramano calls $8.00
DaGOAT calls $4.00--------sick spot but gotta call, could be up against so many possible hands
*** TURN *** [Ad 8c 5c] [As]
DaGOAT checks
BUMPHY checks
Ramano checks
*** RIVER *** [Ad 8c 5c As] [2d]
DaGOAT bets $26.00-----------nobody bet turn so i reckon im ahead
BUMPHY raises to $52.00------i beleive he has an Ace and bcoz i limped PF he could think AT,A9 are good so id gave it some thought before calling.
Ramano folds
DaGOAT calls $26.00

#3 - hand kinda plays itself, doubt opp is thinking on a higher level.

EverestPoker Game #2252977479: Table Moroni-21 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:16:14 - 2007/10/22
Seat 2: fiftycents28 ($109.00)
Seat 3: wendys ($272.45)
Seat 4: -uvnler- ($143.25)
Seat 5: kukiii ($20.45)
Seat 6: RICIL51 ($12.30)
Seat 7: x_willow ($98.50)
Seat 8: valoin ($40.50)
Seat 9: mukzie ($98.90)
Seat 10: DaGOAT ($104.00)
fiftycents28 posts the small blind of $0.50
wendys posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaGOAT[6d 6h]
-uvnler- calls $1.00
kukiii folds
RICIL51 folds
x_willow folds
valoin folds
mukzie folds
DaGOAT raises to $4.50
fiftycents28 folds
wendys calls $3.50
-uvnler- calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [7s 5s 9s]
wendys checks
-uvnler- checks
DaGOAT checks
*** TURN *** [7s 5s 9s] [8d]
wendys bets $14.00
-uvnler- folds
DaGOAT calls $14.00
*** RIVER *** [7s 5s 9s 8d] [Kh]
wendys bets $42.00
DaGOAT folds

#4

EverestPoker Game #2253357082: Table Moroni-28 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:25:48 - 2007/10/22
Seat 2: 69neverloose ($112.35)
Seat 3: DaGOAT ($121.17)
Seat 5: _Klass_ ($99.60)
Seat 6: CruiSa ($119.30)
Seat 7: bobby_lebrun ($136.88)
bobby_lebrun posts the small blind of $0.50
69neverloose posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaGOAT[Jd Th]
DaGOAT raises to $3.50
_Klass_ folds
CruiSa folds
bobby_lebrun calls $3.00
69neverloose folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 6c 9s]
bobby_lebrun checks
DaGOAT bets $6.00
bobby_lebrun calls $6.00
*** TURN *** [3c 6c 9s] [8d]
bobby_lebrun bets $12.00
DaGOAT folds-------------------I so want to call but im getting bad odds and dont beleive ive alot of outs.

No other hands than that. Not a bad session.

[Da GOAT]

Lost -$160 last night at full ring.

Made a very poor call IMO on a river, why do ppl feel like calling when they know they are beat??

EDIT to incl hand:: You may feel its not the worst call ever but ive no reads vs opp.

EverestPoker Game #2256834105: Table Moroni-12 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:42:19 - 2007/10/23
Seat 1: louigie ($57.45)
Seat 2: Orange_Dirk ($48.00)
Seat 3: TotalPoker12 ($18.50)
Seat 4: DaGOAT ($108.95)
Seat 5: Fritz27 ($101.50)
Seat 6: x_willow ($117.75)
Seat 7: ElJardi ($99.20)
Seat 8: kev79 ($126.90)
Seat 9: Rivertoto ($96.50)
Seat 10: elan78 ($26.45)
DaGOAT posts the small blind of $0.50
Fritz27 posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaGOAT[Kh Ad]
x_willow folds
ElJardi folds
kev79 folds
Rivertoto folds
elan78 folds
louigie folds
Orange_Dirk folds
TotalPoker12 folds
DaGOAT raises to $3.00
Fritz27 calls $2.00
*** FLOP *** [4s Qd 6h]
DaGOAT bets $4.50
Fritz27 calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [4s Qd 6h] [As]
DaGOAT checks
Fritz27 checks
*** RIVER *** [4s Qd 6h As] [3d]
DaGOAT bets $15.00
Fritz27 raises to $60.00
DaGOAT calls $45.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Fritz27 shows [7d 5d]
DaGOAT mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [4s Qd 6h As 3d]
Fritz27 collects $132.00



Anyway that call and some losses to shortstacks were the sum of my loss so meh.

Tonight the gf is going to swimming so id like for myself to study instead of play. Go through PT and keep in mind ISF Theorem as I review.

[Da GOAT]

Update my BR is just a little over 3K.

Things I need to start doing::

1) Preflop squeezing. Basically its not in my arsenal at all.
2) c/r or raise c/b's IP on flops with air to protect my big hands.
3) Consider ISF Theorem while playing.
4) 3 bet alot more IP on btn/co
5) Give some time to reviewing PT each week
6) Become better at value betting river

Note to self: I should try just stick to ONLY 6max to acheive the above instead of playing FR.

Quick tip (taken when skimming Vi's thread) on value betting river;

OOP
Dry board = bet 1/4-1/3 PSB
Wet board = check to induce bluffs

IP
Dry board = see above
Wet board = PSB or overbet

Ok ill try to keep update my thoughts on the above at the end of the month and maybe do a regular update monthly/weekly or something of my stats/BR etc

[silu73]

Good luck with the new op goat. In case you want to share, how big was your BR before you cashed out?

Silu73 (BTW you change your Username?)

Yeah I changed my username. The old one was part of my e-mail address and I used to get heaps of spam. Since I changed the name it has gone much better.

For what you said about c/raising. It has not been in my arsenal at all. However, I have started to c/raise flops if I believe that the board has not hit my opp at all but would have hit my calling range.

I know I got lucky in this hand but sometimes it can really work like a treat. In this case I didn't 3-bet because his att to steal was below 20%.

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $215.95
Button: $270.90
Hero: $192.00
BB: $205.05

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with 8 8
UTG folds, Button raises to $7, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3 6 6 ($16, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero raises to $33, Button calls.

Turn: 8 ($82, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, Button raises to $200, Hero calls all-in $102.
Uncalled bets: $48 returned to Button.

River: 5 ($386, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $386)


Results:
Final pot: $386
Button shows 6H 7H
Hero shows 8S 8C

[Da GOAT]

Played for about an hour last night for 250 hands while 4 tabling.

{BTW anyone know anything about datamining Titan, or how the hell they table select} or {a titan converter}

Hand #1 - UTG was about 16/12 so i didnt wanna 3 bet him and caller wasnt also tight though not as much as UTG. So i called, hit a good flop.

GAME #698266955: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-10-24 21:11:44
Table Ethereal
Seat 1: MTarkin ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mrmicko ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 5: GimmeAChance ($107.85 in chips)
Seat 6: iGrind ($94.37 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: RCKnr1 ($102.85 in chips)
Seat 10: Coskun6 ($228.77 in chips)
RCKnr1: Post SB $0.50
Coskun6: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GimmeAChance [ ]
MTarkin: Raise $4.00----------{Normal tight UTG range}
mrmicko: Call $4.00------------{AJ-AQ,KQ,22-QQ,small % of SC and Axs}
GimmeAChance: Call $4.00
iGrind: Fold
RCKnr1: Fold
Coskun6: Fold
*** FLOP *** [ ]
MTarkin: Bet $8.00------------{Great he seems to like his hand so 99-AA, set, AK}
mrmicko: Call $8.00-----------{set is less likely since he didnt repop, draw, TT-QQ}
GimmeAChance: Raise $48.00------{STD play, im only a true dog vs AA at (36% dog))
MTarkin: Fold
mrmicko: Allin $83.50-----------{set again aint likely, overpair, draws}
GimmeAChance: Call $43.50

Did some pokerstove work and:::

On flop vs opp with a 22-QQ,A8s-AQs,KQs,QJs,JTs,98s,76s,AJo-AQo,KQo range im 62% fav.

Hand #2 - my first orbit at the table but noticed Opp was opening pretty much every pot so far, he could be getting a good run of cards or is generally aggro. So based on what ive observed I called his 3 bet IP

GAME #698214835: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-10-24 20:31:26
Table Shenge
Seat 3: GimmeAChance ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 5: gidselCD ($121.95 in chips)
Seat 6: barrstad ($46.65 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: skullspliter ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ponca1981 ($26.58 in chips)
skullspliter: Post SB $0.50
ponca1981: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GimmeAChance [ ]
GimmeAChance: Raise $4.00
gidselCD: Fold
barrstad: Fold
skullspliter: Raise $11.50
ponca1981: Fold
GimmeAChance: Call $8.00
*** FLOP *** [ ]
skullspliter: Bet $25.00-----------------{PSB huh, well i felt it was a weak move. you dont see many ppl pot flop in 3 bet pots with very strong hands}
GimmeAChance: Raise $88.00--------{folding is an option but given the very limited information i have i beleive its still almost too tight a play, calling seems poor given the amount of horrible cards to come, shoving is high variance etc but i feel i can get called by a worse hand here.}{Note it wasnt till after that i remembered in a CR vid when opp had made a PSB in 3bet = strong hand, tho Hero had nothing so i dunno if instructor was results orientated or what}

Ok so now ill go check out pokerstove.

If Opp holds 99+,KQ,AJs+,AJo+ Vs my JJ
He wins 60%
I win 40%

Can someone show me a quick calc of how to include FE?? I imagine this move is +EV now after calc'ing FE though i felt it was closer at the time.

Hand #3 - Just a sick spot, can i really fold a FH to quads vs an unknown. My bones told me to fold, should i follow my gut or brain?

GAME #698232675: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-10-24 20:45:25
Table Ethereal
Seat 3: mrmicko ($93.00 in chips)
Seat 5: GimmeAChance ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 6: iGrind ($108.87 in chips)
Seat 10: Coskun6 ($100.92 in chips) DEALER
mrmicko: Post SB $0.50
GimmeAChance: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GimmeAChance [ ]
iGrind: Fold
Coskun6: Call $1.00
mrmicko: Call $0.50
GimmeAChance: Check
*** FLOP *** [ ]
mrmicko: Check
GimmeAChance: Bet $3.00----------{simply a stab at a small pot}
Coskun6: Call $3.00--------------------{22-99,Qx,2x,air}
mrmicko: Fold
*** TURN *** [ ]
GimmeAChance: Check----------------{just looking to keep the pot small and let weaker hands stay in, i havent repped much strength yet at all}
Coskun6: Bet $6.00----------------------{2/3 PSB i think, Qx,22-99,2x,air}
GimmeAChance: Call $6.00----------{my hand looks like either a FH now or PP}
*** RIVER *** [ ]
GimmeAChance: Bet $14.00---------{i decided to lead 2/3 PSB for value or tie pot, didnt want a Jx r PP to check behind}
Coskun6: Allin $90.92------------------{well fuck, see above}

Hand #4 - first ISF theorem attempt.

GAME #698243384: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-10-24 20:53:38
Table Campana
Seat 1: iGrind ($98.60 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: vastaantulija ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 5: GimmeAChance ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 6: LAGfish ($131.00 in chips)
Seat 8: immerdrin ($104.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ZockerHH ($56.62 in chips)
vastaantulija: Post SB $0.50
GimmeAChance: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GimmeAChance [ ]
LAGfish: Fold
immerdrin: Fold
ZockerHH: Call $1.00--------{22-99,Ax,Jx,Kx,Qx}
iGrind: Fold
vastaantulija: Fold
GimmeAChance: Check
*** FLOP *** [ ]
GimmeAChance: Check------{decide not to lead which i do alot of tho opp wouldnt know that but i just wanted a different line, repping a decent draw too}
ZockerHH: Bet $3.00----------{not much has changed regards his range}
GimmeAChance: Call $3.00
*** TURN *** [ ]
GimmeAChance: Check
ZockerHH: Bet $5.00
GimmeAChance: Call $5.00-----{i think this should of been a fold now, ISF theorem would say my range is prehaps not ahead of his therefore i shouldnt try a bluff which i pan on doing on river}
*** RIVER *** [ ]
GimmeAChance: Bet $14.00---------{i rep 7x, i looked like i had a weak/drawing hand and hit so i lead 2/3 PSB}

Im not a big fan of this play at all the more i think about it but im learning.

Hand #5 - I have saved the highlight for last, ISF Theorem attempt. Opp is pretty much unknown so I assigned basic ranges.

GAME #698247252: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-10-24 20:56:39
Table Ethereal
Seat 1: Qqtek ($19.00 in chips)
Seat 3: mrmicko ($89.00 in chips)
Seat 5: GimmeAChance ($100.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: iGrind ($103.37 in chips)
Seat 8: RCKnr1 ($64.65 in chips)
Seat 10: Coskun6 ($194.17 in chips)
iGrind: Post SB $0.50
RCKnr1: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GimmeAChance [ ]
Coskun6: Fold
Qqtek: Fold
mrmicko: Fold
GimmeAChance: Raise $4.00
iGrind: Fold
RCKnr1: Call $3.00
*** FLOP *** [ ]
RCKnr1: Check
GimmeAChance: Bet $7.00----------{std}
RCKnr1: Call $7.00----------------------{Ax,Kx,Mid PP,alot of draws,air}
*** TURN *** [ ]
RCKnr1: Check
GimmeAChance: Check
*** RIVER *** [ ]
RCKnr1: Bet $7.00-----------------------{any piece of his range could be betting plus his bet is about 1/4 PSB}
GimmeAChance: Raise $89.00------{i rep a King basically which is easily a good part of my range given how the hand played out} its $45 left for opp to call.

Thats it guys, any comments here would be greatly appreciated. Took me an hour to do this,christ!!

[Da GOAT]

For what you said about c/raising. It has not been in my arsenal at all. However, I have started to c/raise flops if I believe that the board has not hit my opp at all but would have hit my calling range.

I know I got lucky in this hand but sometimes it can really work like a treat. In this case I didn't 3-bet because his att to steal was below 20%.

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $215.95
Button: $270.90
Hero: $192.00
BB: $205.05

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with 8 8
UTG folds, Button raises to $7, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3 6 6 ($16, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero raises to $33, Button calls.

On flop id rather float flop though c/r'ing is fine. if its vs a thinking player then he could 4bet with worse. If you had something like QJ then it would be more like what i was talking about or if flop was all low cards and unpaired board.

BTW you can 3bet PF a % of the time depending on opp ATSB %.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Hand 1). I would usually 3bet preflop unless UTG will double barrel with a reasonable frequency. If he was reasonably tricky/aggressive postflop, i would still only call about 1/3rd of the time. Getting to showdown with a pair of Aces w/ A-Q vs an ABC player's UTG range is probably marginal and a suited connector would be more profitable/easy to play in the same situation.

Hand 2). i would probably just call the flop, but as you had a bet sizing tell your line seems fine. As you said there are too many scare cards to just call on the flop if you think he could be bluffing.


I don't know of a quick way to exactly calculate F.E., but if you were willing to go really in depth you could play hands in his range from his perspective you could get some accurate numbers (Irisheyes has done some good EV calcs).

Hand 3). do you think 7-7 is going to call a river bet on that board? I would consider c/c'ing since you don't really get value from his likely range by betting (unless he is pretty bad lol). sick spot as played, i don't have a good answer.

Hand 4). probably b/f turn vs. most 100NL players - it makes the hand much easier to play as he will define his range for you. I wouldn't expect a typical 100NL player to raise you without K-x, and would just fold/call with a draw/weaker 10.

Hand 5). i don't like shoving that river at all. I think firing another bet on the turn though is good if your opponent can fold, as most of his range is weak K-x/A-x hands.

[Da GOAT]

Played another sesh since my last post for -$98. Sadly im abit uninterested in poker at the minute, motivation is lacking which i find annoying and frustrating. So for now ive re-kindled my interest in playing FFXII on PS2 (since my xbox 360 has the rings of death which ive still to fix), im enjoying the game so ill try complete it and hopefully i can get the urge to play again. In a bit of a poker purgatory right now, also confidence is kinda shot.

[Da GOAT]

well after a break from poker since last saturday where didnt play or study, browsing the forums was about the height of it, im really relaxed and life is good.

Played a sesh last night and down a buyin at 50NL. BR is 2.5K BTW, played 50nl just to stay relaxed and have some fun. lost 2 buyins quickly when got oversetted and another where my srt8 lost to a fishes str8. happy with my session and my play. ended up playing 18/14 over 331 hands but i did so much jumping arnd on the tables that when i found 2 good tables i was able to play 23/18 or so. its fun to pay looser at a lower limit. oh and only played 2-3 tables too which is nice and easy going and note taking is easier.

oh and im playing on Full Tilt Poker for now too, got $600 to clear and a RB deal for 27% or whatever it is everyone gets. Why is a euro playing a US site? meh i sick of crap software plus im not playing super high stakes plus i wanna get some bonuses cleared etc.

[Miffed22001]

please dont move to bodog where i am making monies kthx

[Da GOAT]

PLayed 50nl last night for -$25!!!! I made a big mistake then stopped playing. Im thankful I can control myself after i mess up and walk away when im pissed off.

Havent got the HHs with me but here are 2 hands, ill leave my fuck up till last.

#1 - My image was possibly a bit loose at this point but BTN was 7-8 tbling so im not too worried about not having position postflop. BB (who folded pre was a 54/10 so i also wanted to loosen up in CO to get him HU but he didnt concur). SB wasnt great stats wise preflop tho i cant really remember, something like 30/15 over small sample. I figured him a bad player basically.

50nl effective stacks

CO PFR 3.5xBB
SB calls

Flop

I c/b 3/4 PSB or so, he calls.

Turn

turn goes check check - its got a good card to double barrel, ive a FD and getting c/r'd would suck immensely.

River

Now Ive a flush, Opp checks, I shove roughly $35 into $8 pot.

I figure he will call with any Ace holding and its not likely he has me beat while nobody gives ppl credit for making a backdoor flush.

#2 - Opp is 24/20, SB is 54/10, little history with both but nothing huge or important here.

60BB effective stacks

UTG 24/20 PFR 4xBB $2 (BTW i think 3.5xBB was his standard or it was all vice versa)
SB called, no biggie
BB Hero AQo 3bets $9 - in hindsight maybe too small.

Flop

I c/b $14 into $19 pot ,Opp calls

Turn

check check

River - I honestly dunno what to do in this spot. I try for a SD but also planning on caling some bets.

I check, Opp shoves AI which is about 3/4 PSB.

The part im pissed off with is i thought about his range and how it crushed me and matched it up it his line and got my answer but I still CALLED. WTF, I really would like to know the psychology behind my thoughts when i call convincing myself ''ah he must be bluffing''

I was +$30 before his hand then I was -$30

[Da GOAT]

Good session yday of $178 over 650 hands or so. Played well and heres a bluff that worked.

Opp was about 18/14 over 240 hands or so with decent aggression tho its probably bcoz he plays so few hands. He opens CO so his range isn’t really so tight IF he is positionally aware which I hope he is lol. I call preflop bcoz 3betting this is borderline in most cases and towards a tight player its bad. So I call for set value and am thinking of taking it further.
Flop is unlikely to hit his range very hard, only his overpairs do well here or sets, so I don’t believe my hand holds well to float OOP with the flush draw and the many overcards that can hurt if if call on flop, so I repop which is good vs his range (as sauce says).
Turn ok he called my bet which to me actually makes his hand fairly easy to read IMO. He has a decent overpair a big % of the time or maybe a FD Axs. Now th eonly way I can hope to win the pot, bcoz my hand is really crushed against his range, is to bet turn OOP. Crap thing about betting is its hard to get it in comfortably, pot is about $25 or so but my stack is $38. if I bet 18-23 and he calls im screwed and WILL have to give up on river or if he shoves turn, so I shove it all in now. It makes my situation easier to play and maximizes FE now since I don’t have to worry about bet sizes anymore. Also the turn card is a good card for me to bluff as its likely a card higher than his flop overpair. Im not trying to rep a K, am trying to rep a hand that can beat a K.

FullTiltPoker Game #4142706740: Table Exeter (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:00:57 ET - 2007/11/11
Seat 1: sbfoosball ($51.55)
Seat 2: michaeyk ($50.75)
Seat 3: lyncks ($46.60)
Seat 4: MastaYoshi ($64.50)
Seat 5: 2Chutes ($57.10)
Seat 6: MantaForce ($51.30)
MantaForce posts the small blind of $0.25
sbfoosball posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [8s 8d]
michaeyk folds
lyncks folds
MastaYoshi raises to $1.75
2Chutes folds
MantaForce calls $1.50
sbfoosball folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 9d 3h]
MantaForce checks
MastaYoshi bets $2.50
MantaForce raises to $11.50
MastaYoshi has 15 seconds left to act
MastaYoshi calls $9
*** TURN *** [4d 9d 3h] [Kc]
lyncks stands up
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $38.05, and is all in
MastaYoshi has 15 seconds left to act
MastaYoshi folds
Uncalled bet of $38.05 returned to MantaForce
MantaForce mucks
MantaForce wins the pot ($25.65)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $27 | Rake $1.35
Board: [4d 9d 3h Kc]
Seat 1: sbfoosball (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: michaeyk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lyncks didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: MastaYoshi folded on the Turn
Seat 5: 2Chutes (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: MantaForce (small blind) collected ($25.65), mucked

sup with the converter yo

[Da GOAT]

another session tonight for +$104 over 558 hands. i feel i played pretty well and incorporated some nice plays IMO be them standard or a little different.

Some hands

#1 - Opp was very loose like 40/28 or so. So i called willing to play a flop with him and my hand holds well vs his range but i dont wanna 3bet as i think i lose value as i beleive he will stack off easily enough if we both hit the flop. flop was very weird but i dont beleive im in such a bad spot as what MADE hands do this seriously (i give him draws and air alot), turn bet was tough spot (opp has high AF BTW) so i call but will reevaluate on river, i could still be ahead. river is a sweet card so i call shove (now im putting him on 98 for 2 pair or Ax.


FullTiltPoker Game #4164627343: Table Lazarette (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:38:30 ET - 2007/11/13
Seat 1: ReifesEisen ($96.20)
Seat 2: red pen ($49.50)
Seat 3: stu n leaza ($114.35)
Seat 4: sole67 ($54.50)
Seat 5: gaboozer ($50)
Seat 6: MantaForce ($50.75)
ReifesEisen posts the small blind of $0.25
red pen posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [As 9s]
stu n leaza folds
sole67 has 15 seconds left to act
sole67 raises to $1.50
gaboozer folds
MantaForce calls $1.50
ReifesEisen folds
red pen folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 7s 8d]
sole67 checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $3
sole67 raises to $6
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce calls $3
*** TURN *** [2d 7s 8d] [Ah]
sole67 has 15 seconds left to act
sole67 bets $9
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce calls $9
*** RIVER *** [2d 7s 8d Ah] [9h]
sole67 has 15 seconds left to act
sole67 bets $38, and is all in
MantaForce calls $34.25, and is all in


#2 - Opp was like 18/13 so i felt screwed on the turn but had to call IMO.

FullTiltPoker Game #4164370376: Table Eileen (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:10:35 ET - 2007/11/13
Seat 1: drill77 ($38.35)
Seat 2: MantaForce ($50.45)
Seat 3: PATN1TROF ($79.60)
Seat 4: KTU1985 ($49)
Seat 5: Aimhigh252 ($107.45)
Seat 6: grouchoM ($49.25)
PATN1TROF posts the small blind of $0.25
KTU1985 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Ad 9d]
Aimhigh252 has 15 seconds left to act
Aimhigh252 folds
grouchoM raises to $2
drill77 calls $2
MantaForce calls $2
PATN1TROF has 15 seconds left to act
PATN1TROF calls $1.75
KTU1985 folds
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c 5h]
PATN1TROF has 15 seconds left to act
PATN1TROF checks
grouchoM checks
drill77 has 15 seconds left to act
drill77 checks
MantaForce bets $6
PATN1TROF calls $6
grouchoM adds $2.75
grouchoM folds
drill77 folds
*** TURN *** [4c 9c 5h] [9h]
PATN1TROF checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $14
PATN1TROF has 15 seconds left to act
PATN1TROF raises to $71.60, and is all in
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce calls $28.45, and is all in

#3 Squeeze baby!!!

FullTiltPoker Game #4164301226: Table Posse (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:02:58 ET - 2007/11/13
Seat 1: alsetami ($45.55)
Seat 2: GotTheLow ($50), is sitting out
Seat 3: hobiejuan1 ($57.30)
Seat 4: MantaForce ($65.25)
Seat 5: D_Sauce84 ($85.20)
Seat 6: Tango Pete ($50.80)
D_Sauce84 posts the small blind of $0.25
Tango Pete posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Td Jd]
alsetami calls $0.50
hobiejuan1 raises to $2.25
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce raises to $9
D_Sauce84 folds
Tango Pete folds
alsetami folds
hobiejuan1 calls $6.75
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4c 8h]
hobiejuan1 checks
MantaForce bets $14
hobiejuan1 has 15 seconds left to act
hobiejuan1 folds

Ok thats it folks. Its 12:30 am and i got work 2m.

[Da GOAT]

Opp is a 75/28/6 over reasonable amount of hands.

#1


FullTiltPoker Game #4175627201: Table Arville (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:17:42 ET - 2007/11/14
Seat 1: pinyouf ($31.15)
Seat 2: attheLimit ($50)
Seat 3: MantaForce ($50)
Seat 4: wackaloo13 ($68.65)
Seat 5: onim ($155.05)
Seat 6: Rovingson ($19.50), is sitting out
onim posts the small blind of $0.25
pinyouf posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Kc Ks]
attheLimit folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
wackaloo13 folds
Rovingson has returned
onim calls $1.50
pinyouf folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 8s 6h]
onim checks
MantaForce bets $3
onim calls $3
*** TURN *** [Th 8s 6h] [4s]
onim checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $7
onim calls $7
*** RIVER *** [Th 8s 6h 4s] [7s]
onim checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $15
onim raises to $83
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce calls $23.25, and is all in

#2

FullTiltPoker Game #4175517416: Table Arville (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:06:23 ET - 2007/11/14
Seat 1: pinyouf ($16.85)
Seat 2: attheLimit ($50)
Seat 3: MantaForce ($50)
Seat 4: wackaloo13 ($70.15)
Seat 5: onim ($107.15)
Seat 6: sbfoosball ($61.35)
sbfoosball posts the small blind of $0.25
pinyouf posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Qd Ad]
attheLimit folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
wackaloo13 folds
onim calls $1.75
sbfoosball folds
pinyouf has been disconnected
pinyouf folds
pinyouf has reconnected
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4c Tc]
MantaForce bets $3
onim calls $3
*** TURN *** [Jd 4c Tc] [3c]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks
onim checks
*** RIVER *** [Jd 4c Tc 3c] [As]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $15
onim raises to $102.40, and is all in
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce calls $30.25, and is all in


#3 opp is 23/18


FullTiltPoker Game #4175295845: Table Bamber (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:43:27 ET - 2007/11/14
Seat 1: MantaForce ($56.80)
Seat 2: Treybet3 ($49.70)
Seat 3: red pen ($61.40)
Seat 4: BradCR ($26.25)
Seat 5: Wes_Welker ($49.30)
Seat 6: sourcererAA ($48.50)
red pen posts the small blind of $0.25
BradCR posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Js Ah]
Wes_Welker folds
sourcererAA folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
Treybet3 calls $1.75
red pen folds
BradCR calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [2c Jh 8c]
BradCR checks
MantaForce bets $4.50
Treybet3 raises to $12
BradCR folds
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce raises to $55.05, and is all in

That is all

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

1). i might bet the river for less ($10-12) and fold if raised though checking behind seems okay as well. This guy seems like a super crazy maniac, so i'd be more worried that he hasn't gotten aggressive earlier in the hand.

2). bet the turn for sure, as played it sounds super nitty but i would consider check/folding the river.

3). raised out of position with a vulnerable made hand...

ISF and Massimo did a video and a spot a lot like this came up. Instead of felting on the flop they called with the intention of open shoving on a non draw completing turn. But, if this guy is the type to call his money in on the flop with an 8 out draw then your line is fine too.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

oops i missed a set of hands... (in case it's confusing this post is r.e. your second to last post lol)

1). Fear the flop min raise! (i think it's a set a lot actually) There aren't really any good options for you here besides folding IMO. As played yea it's top two pair but all you beat is a bluff. You have to call now.

2). A-xs (x<10) is not a good hand to be the first to call behind with. Overcalling is fine, and so is 3betting :P The rest of the hand looks fine.

3). I think checking behind on the flop is better than betting and getting shoved on. You can also consider shoving over a turn lead if you check behind.

[silu73]

Hand 1:
Not much you can do. Against a better player I would shove the river but betting or c/call seems fine too. I cannot find a fold here.

Hand 2:
As played I would c/fold the river. Sounds nitty but this board hits so many calling ranges.

Hand 3:
Call flop raise and open shove any non-club turn.

[IowaSkinsFan]

hand 3 is an easy felt dude, he has a draw or air, or worse hand too much given the texture of the board.

[Da GOAT]

Im officially the worst poster ever. Im getting the poker bug back it seems after spending ages playing Mass Effect.

Shud have time to play again tonight. BR is at 2K!!!! Dunno whether to shot for 100nl tho, i cud go FR on EVP for easy money tho i dont think ive had good tilt control over the past month or two.

[Da GOAT]

hmm Ive seen some people mention how 2007 treated them poker wise and reflected back on the year so ill give it a try.

Even tho i only have twice the BR i had when i started playing cash in Feb 07, poker has actually treated me very very well. I never broke the 10K BR (tho i wud of if i didnt withdraw), anyway I paid my car insurance of about 1.8K, bought a new real sweet PC for 1.1K and paid off my car loan of 4K.

Being a trainee accountant pays fuck all to begin with so paying off my loan which co-incided with getting a pay rise has sorted me out ALOT in real life (brag: im also finished with college coz i passed the last of my exams).

So 2007 was amazing though im disappointed Ive to start poker almost all over again in Jan 2008 but its not all bad since real life income is better so i can probably pay for stuff without touching the BR, i got all the material stuff i wanted so i shouldnt have to withdraw any time soon for anything.

I dont kno wot the plan is for 2008 but i wanna just get back to 100nl right now which is beatable, i just need to get back my tilt control and discipline.

[Da GOAT]

ok played some hands tonight 460 to br exact at 100NL FR on EVP.

Went very well in my first serious session in a long time, +$245!!!

EDIT: another quick session not worth a post, lost $51 which im actually surprised by. i assumed i lost over a buyin. didnt run great but think i played well and didnt call off any chips which is good when playing against bad players.

[Da GOAT]

well the added sesh i post above ended up losing $364!! Yay!!

Last night i railed TJ for about an hour and a half which was fun.

[Da GOAT]

My mind has been racing over the last few days thinking about postflop play in 3bet pots but before i get into a few thoughts and theories i wanna include my new year resolutions:

1 - learn 2 sentences of Irish each day (fairly easy since my gf is an Irish teacher). I find it very sad that I dont know my native language so ill give it a shot since all my exams are over.

This thread may include all the phrases im learning as my notebook. Some so far (spelling isnt 100%);
#1 - Tá mé ag ithe toasta le h'im - I am eating toast with butter
#2 - Coach na suíl - Winking (Winking of the eye)
#3 - Ar mhaith leat dioch - Would you like a drink?

2 - Do a bunch of press ups, sit ups, dips each day (being doing that the last few days.

Ok back to poker!! I so wanna play postflop 3bet pots alot better so ill try focus on postflop bluffs. Id say i give up way too much when im calling and not getting enough value when ive the initiative.

ISF Theorem:
If your range is ahead of your opponents range, you should bluff more often. If your range is behind your opponents range, you should play tighter.

I just thought about ISFs quote now which sums up nicely what i was about to explain.

Example: 100xBB stacks 6max and im 3bet OOP, by BTN while im UTG+1, preflop and I call.
Pot is 28bb, i check, opp bets 23bb, ive got 86bb left. flop has missed us bcoz i wanna go for bluff shove in my examples!!

NOTE: This will be very simple as Im not yet sure about adding extra math and permutations yet.

My range for calling a 3bet consists of QQ+,AKs,AKo (yea im super nitty)
Opp is a TAG and is striaghtforward postflop (now ill assume that my opp's at 50nl and 100nl arent playing postflop effectively and either play it too weak or are maniacs postflop). Opp range is TT+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+

Again im calling with QQ+,AKs,AKo
He 3bets with TT+,AJs+,KQs,AQo+

Flops: Our Equity based on ranges

2s 4h 9c 63%
Kd 7c 2s 75%
Th Tc Ts 64%
Js Ts 7c 54%
Ac Ks Jh 61%
Qh 9h 7c 53%
7h 7s 5c 64%

Now say if opp is a LAG player then:

He 3 bets 88+,A7s+,KJs+,QJs,87s,76s,AJo+,KQ
I call with TT+,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo

Flops: Our Equity based on ranges

2s 4h 9c 57%
Kd 7c 2s 64%
Th Tc Ts 58%
Js Ts 7c 52%
Ac Ks Jh 61%
Qh 9h 7c 59%
7h 7s 5c 53%

Ok so in conclusion based on this tiny sample of hands the best flops to bluff shove given our range (note we are not dead vs his range IF we do get called tho i dont kno yet how to include it [ill check out taipans EV calc thing later]).

Conclusion: This basically backs up ISFs theory that our range is alot better overall than our opp's will ever be so we should be bluffing more. I know im giving up way too much be constantly folding instead of thinking about ranges and equity. Of course this is not to be done often at all and I prob should try and do i proper calc for myself to fully understand.

CLIFF NOTES: Side effect of above is high variance.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

I'd add some more pairs to your calling range to the straightforward TAG's 3bets, though that's because i guessed you are assuming he will c-bet close to 100%. If that is the case, you could felt non broadway flops with these hands if he is c-betting with that high of a frequency and it would be super +EV.

[Da GOAT]

I'd add some more pairs to your calling range to the straightforward TAG's 3bets, though that's because i guessed you are assuming he will c-bet close to 100%. If that is the case, you could felt non broadway flops with these hands if he is c-betting with that high of a frequency and it would be super +EV.

cool thx Vi, ill defo consider that.

Played a sesh last nite with TJ railing. I ran hot at the start with quality holdings and spots but ended up BE but got a $20 bonus as my non playing profit.

Im gonna review my sesh later in work and maybe post some thoughts there. I practiced some squeezes and loose 3bets with some floats IP thrown in.

[Da GOAT]

Played a solid sesh for +$61 over 430 hands which is 12bb/100

SOme hands: I cant exactly remember my reads but based on his range i cud 3bet him prefop. In hindsight I think i shud of bet turn instead of river to have the threat of a river shove but i wimped out trying to hit 2 pair or better and thinking he wont fold an Ace. maybe i could of got an decent Ax hand to fold but also i may of had to put my whole stack on the line. hows my river bet or shud i give up since he will call often (in hindsight damn)??

#1

FullTiltPoker Game #4797726491: Table Meissner (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 15:44:59 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: MantaForce ($102.45)
Seat 2: NegerAlfred ($77.40)
Seat 3: MKESSLER2468 ($14.45)
Seat 4: DokterOetker ($74.45)
Seat 5: sheridan204 ($51.80)
Seat 6: tonyonions ($99.85)
NegerAlfred posts the small blind of $0.25
MKESSLER2468 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [8h 7h]
DokterOetker folds
sheridan204 folds
tonyonions raises to $1.75
MantaForce raises to $6
NegerAlfred folds
MKESSLER2468 folds
tonyonions calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [8c Jh As]
tonyonions checks
MantaForce bets $8
tonyonions calls $8
*** TURN *** [8c Jh As] [5d]
tonyonions checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks
*** RIVER *** [8c Jh As 5d] [Td]
tonyonions checks
MantaForce bets $18
tonyonions calls $18
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MantaForce shows [8h 7h] a pair of Eights
tonyonions shows [Ad 9c] a pair of Aces
tonyonions wins the pot ($61.75) with a pair of Aces


#2 - Official my first squeeze play ever. factors for the move were goot.

FullTiltPoker Game #4797792946: Table Meissner (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 15:51:34 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: MantaForce ($79.80)
Seat 2: NegerAlfred ($73.15)
Seat 3: MKESSLER2468 ($25.40)
Seat 4: DokterOetker ($59.75)
Seat 5: TheChipsMaster ($49.75)
Seat 6: tonyonions ($145.80)
tonyonions posts the small blind of $0.25
MantaForce posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [9d Ts]
NegerAlfred folds
MKESSLER2468 has 15 seconds left to act
MKESSLER2468 is sitting out
MKESSLER2468 has timed out
MKESSLER2468 folds
DokterOetker folds
MKESSLER2468 stands up
TheChipsMaster raises to $1.75
tonyonions calls $1.50
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce raises to $9
TheChipsMaster adds $2
TheChipsMaster folds
tonyonions folds
Uncalled bet of $7.25 returned to MantaForce
MantaForce mucks
MantaForce wins the pot ($5.25)

#3 - button was like 38/23 so i wont for a kinda squeezish 3bet experiment. hows my play?

FullTiltPoker Game #4797853450: Table Meissner (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 15:57:35 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: MantaForce ($85.30)
Seat 2: NegerAlfred ($76.55)
Seat 3: Choppercooney ($50)
Seat 4: superplaya ($19.50)
Seat 5: TheChipsMaster ($50)
Seat 6: tonyonions ($138.50)
MantaForce has 5 seconds left to act
MantaForce posts the small blind of $0.25
NegerAlfred posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Ad 9d]
Choppercooney calls $0.50
superplaya calls $0.50
TheChipsMaster folds
tonyonions raises to $3
MantaForce raises to $14
NegerAlfred folds
Choppercooney calls $13.50
superplaya folds
tonyonions folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 7h Js]
MantaForce bets $18
Choppercooney calls $18
*** TURN *** [3h 7h Js] [Ac]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $53.30, and is all in
Choppercooney calls $18, and is all in
MantaForce shows [Ad 9d]
Choppercooney shows [7s 8s]
Uncalled bet of $35.30 returned to MantaForce
*** RIVER *** [3h 7h Js Ac] [Jc]
MantaForce shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
Choppercooney shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens
MantaForce wins the pot ($101) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

#4 - standard hand with TJ railing. lucky bastard!!

FullTiltPoker Game #4798276929: Table Meissner (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 16:39:36 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: MantaForce ($115.80)
Seat 2: sheridan204 ($83.35)
Seat 3: Dunehero84 ($49)
Seat 4: serenade rose ($49)
Seat 5: TheChipsMaster ($70.75)
Seat 6: suitedaces1012 ($50.75)
MantaForce posts the small blind of $0.25
sheridan204 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [7h 7s]
Dunehero84 folds
serenade rose folds
TheChipsMaster folds
suitedaces1012 folds
MantaForce raises to $1.50
sheridan204 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6c Ts 7d]
MantaForce bets $2.25
sheridan204 raises to $6
MantaForce raises to $21
sheridan204 raises to $81.85, and is all in
MantaForce calls $60.85
sheridan204 shows [6d 6h]
MantaForce shows [7h 7s]
*** TURN *** [6c Ts 7d] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [6c Ts 7d 8c] [9h]
sheridan204 shows a straight, Ten high
MantaForce shows a straight, Ten high
MantaForce ties for the pot ($81.85) with a straight, Ten high
sheridan204 ties for the pot ($81.85) with a straight, Ten high

#5 - ive being 3betting this guy alot and last time he shoved on a rag board over my c/b which is why i didnt c/b. hows my line??

FullTiltPoker Game #4798316827: Table Meissner (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 16:43:31 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: MantaForce ($112.30)
Seat 2: sheridan204 ($81.10)
Seat 3: Dunehero84 ($49)
Seat 4: serenade rose ($49.75)
Seat 5: TheChipsMaster ($73.25)
Seat 6: suitedaces1012 ($50)
sheridan204 posts the small blind of $0.25
Dunehero84 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Js As]
serenade rose folds
TheChipsMaster raises to $1.75
suitedaces1012 folds
MantaForce raises to $6
sheridan204 folds
Dunehero84 folds
TheChipsMaster calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [4c 7c 2s]
TheChipsMaster checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks
*** TURN *** [4c 7c 2s] [Kc]
TheChipsMaster bets $4
MantaForce calls $4
*** RIVER *** [4c 7c 2s Kc] [3s]
TheChipsMaster bets $5
MantaForce folds
Uncalled bet of $5 returned to TheChipsMaster
TheChipsMaster mucks
TheChipsMaster wins the pot ($19.75)

#6 - opp minraised my c/b b4 and check behind turn and folded river previously so i figured ill 3bet flop now since i reckon he shutsdown alot on turn if i call.

FullTiltPoker Game #4797776012: Table Papyrus (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 15:49:53 ET - 2008/01/09
Seat 1: korii55 ($53.20)
Seat 2: BigPapi_Ronnie ($66.55)
Seat 3: freese7 ($109.60)
Seat 4: casino467 ($50.20)
Seat 5: Pokeraar42 ($49)
Seat 6: MantaForce ($62.05)
casino467 posts the small blind of $0.25
Pokeraar42 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [9d 9c]
MantaForce raises to $1.75
korii55 calls $1.75
BigPapi_Ronnie folds
freese7 folds
casino467 folds
Pokeraar42 folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 9h 6s]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $3
korii55 raises to $6
MantaForce raises to $22.25
korii55 raises to $51.45, and is all in
MantaForce calls $29.20
korii55 shows [Kd Kc]
MantaForce shows [9d 9c]
*** TURN *** [8h 9h 6s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8h 9h 6s Qs] [9s]
korii55 shows two pair, Kings and Nines
MantaForce shows four of a kind, Nines
MantaForce wins the pot ($104.15) with four of a kind, Nines

Thats it, i feel im playing really really well. Im only slightly down for the month so far.

BTW why the hell wont my hands convert in the converter

[Da GOAT]

Ok now ill post some hands after i review last nights session. the post above weas from a sesh 2 days ago.

Wanna say thanks to ISF for putting something together on floating in 3bet pots in his blog which ill reread after i finish this.

#1 - Opp was like 10/6, by the time we get to turn and river i beleive he didnt have a strong wnough hand to cope with 3 barrels.

FullTiltPoker Game #4810008830: Table Swale (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No
Limit Hold'em - 16:31:09 ET - 2008/01/10
Seat 1: LooseGoose368 ($66.80)
Seat 2: MantaForce ($52)
Seat 3: LJEM1 ($54.30)
Seat 4: aRAYofHope ($61.55)
Seat 5: byosti ($50)
Seat 6: sluggger5x ($50)
LJEM1 posts the small blind of $0.25
aRAYofHope posts the big blind of $0.50
5 seconds left to act
byosti is sitting out
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [8h 6s]
sluggger5x folds
LooseGoose368 folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
LJEM1 calls $1.50
aRAYofHope has 15 seconds left to act
aRAYofHope folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 5s Qd]
LJEM1 checks
MantaForce bets $3
LJEM1 calls $3
*** TURN *** [Th 5s Qd] [5d]
LJEM1 checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $7
LJEM1 calls $7
*** RIVER *** [Th 5s Qd 5d] [4d]
LJEM1 checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $15

#2 - i thought i played this well vs his range, i think i bet sized well. standard hand tho

FullTiltPoker Game #4810254245: Table Coolidge (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 16:54:35 ET - 2008/01/10
Seat 1: MantaForce ($52.35)
Seat 2: ChaseTheAceplz ($107.60)
Seat 4: igi3 ($192)
Seat 5: HIBBERTRON ($50.55)
Seat 6: 1T1lt ($50)
HIBBERTRON posts the small blind of $0.25
1T1lt posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Jh As]
MantaForce raises to $1.75
portland sits down
ChaseTheAceplz folds
igi3 folds
portland adds $50
HIBBERTRON calls $1.50
1T1lt folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Jd 4h]
HIBBERTRON checks
MantaForce bets $3
HIBBERTRON raises to $6
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce calls $3
*** TURN *** [Jc Jd 4h] [2h]
HIBBERTRON checks
MantaForce checks
*** RIVER *** [Jc Jd 4h 2h] [Kc]
HIBBERTRON bets $4
MantaForce raises to $12

#3 - Opp is quite tight in EP so i choose not to 3bet him. when the flop came i decided that i wudnt float OOP on this board. there are alot of low PPs on my range i decided to try a c/r with the intention of folding to a shove. he called which is a little worrysome but it doesnt mean HUGE strength either. I decide to just check turn with intention of betting river if checked to, turn card is actually ok for my range. Opp checks which IMO means opp wants to show his hand down and is unlikely to stand up to a river bet. i put him on a mid PP since QQ+, AK would of played there hand by now. River is a good card again for my range since i cud hold AKs too, and i make a bet size that looks like a VB.

FullTiltPoker Game #4810316559: Table Coolidge (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 -
No Limit Hold'em - 17:00:29 ET - 2008/01/10
Seat 1: MantaForce ($72.95)
Seat 2: ChaseTheAceplz ($104.15)
Seat 3: portland ($56.15)
Seat 4: igi3 ($191.25)
Seat 5: HIBBERTRON ($27.80)
Seat 6: 1T1lt ($50)
1T1lt posts the small blind of $0.25
MantaForce posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Tc Th]
ChaseTheAceplz folds
portland raises to $1.75
igi3 folds
HIBBERTRON folds
1T1lt folds
MantaForce calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [6s 5d 4d]
MantaForce checks
portland bets $3
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce raises to $12.75
portland calls $9.75
*** TURN *** [6s 5d 4d] [6c]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks
portland checks
*** RIVER *** [6s 5d 4d 6c] [Kh]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce has requested TIME
MantaForce bets $14

#3 - OMG MF GOD I just didnt have the balls to bet river. a Q is just a HUGE part of his range that i cud bluff out.

FullTiltPoker Game #4810494252: Table Europa (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No
Limit Hold'em - 17:17:27 ET - 2008/01/10
Seat 1: GordbfGRISSOM ($64.60)
Seat 2: MantaForce ($50)
Seat 3: Miki777 ($84.30)
Seat 4: TiltThis13 ($41.25)
Seat 5: UberQuim ($50)
Seat 6: IHatePants ($60.05)
TiltThis13 posts the small blind of $0.25
UberQuim has 5 seconds left to act
UberQuim posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Jd Jc]
IHatePants folds
GordbfGRISSOM folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
Miki777 folds
TiltThis13 calls $1.50
UberQuim folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Td Tc]
TiltThis13 checks
MantaForce bets $3
TiltThis13 calls $3
*** TURN *** [Qc Td Tc] [6h]
TiltThis13 checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $6.50
TiltThis13 calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [Qc Td Tc 6h] [6d]
TiltThis13 checks
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks

#4 - This was my first ever bluff shove. Opp had 3 bet me a few times already esp when i stole blinds OTB. I was willing to play the flop against him and i beleive his range is fairly wide, its possible I cud 4bet here too preflop. Im sure this guy was table captain b4 i joined, we ran the table th its crap i was OOP vs him alot. i moveed tables when the fish left.

FullTiltPoker Game #4810452213: Table Eileen (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No
Limit Hold'em - 17:13:30 ET - 2008/01/10
Seat 1: rosscorcoran ($137.50)
Seat 2: Pacmaster46 ($37)
Seat 3: mikey miz ($50)
Seat 4: RICHMAN13 ($62.15)
Seat 5: MantaForce ($50.85)
Seat 6: blackblackz ($50.70)
blackblackz posts the small blind of $0.25
rosscorcoran posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Tc Ts]
Pacmaster46 folds
mikey miz folds
RICHMAN13 folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
blackblackz folds
rosscorcoran raises to $5.50
MantaForce calls $3.75
*** FLOP *** [8c 5s Qs]
rosscorcoran bets $11.25
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce raises to $45.35, and is all in

#5 - vs same guy again i made the mistake of folding this preflop. since we both had been somewhat aggro vs each other and stacks are greater than 100bb i shud of made the simple call for set value.

Seat 1: rosscorcoran ($118.25)
Seat 2: Pacmaster46 ($41.10)
Seat 3: mikey miz ($48.70)
Seat 4: RICHMAN13 ($61.65)
Seat 5: MantaForce ($67.50)
Seat 6: blackblackz ($48.15)
rosscorcoran posts the small blind of $0.25
Pacmaster46 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [6s 6h]
mikey miz folds
RICHMAN13 folds
MantaForce raises to $1.75
blackblackz folds
rosscorcoran raises to $5.75

OK thats it, any and all comments welcome.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

1st Block of Hands

1). I'd bet the turn since you would want to bet the turn with A-K

3). Raising to $10 preflop would deny set odds as well considering how light you are 3betting. I don't c-bet in RR pots, regardless of flop texture, when someone has coldcalled my 3bet without some history.

5). Raise the turn! He can't continue without K-x, and your range after calling his turn bet is very weak.

2nd Block

1). I don't like double barreling nits, so i don't like a triple barrel

2). 3betting the flop is an option, but if you don't do that you have to bet the turn to build the pot.

3). This is an interesting hand. I like c/r flop b/c turn versus looser opponents, but if this guy is pretty tight i think c/c flop b/f turn might be better.

3(2)). lol you're not bluffing!

4). Call the flop bet.

5). I wouldn't 4bet here with this hand, so yea calling is probably your best option.

[Da GOAT]

quick update. played 827 hands for $49 plus just a few more $ for a $20 bonus release. 6bb/100 for the day across FR and 6max.

thx for the input Vi ill try go over it in work 2m.

[Da GOAT]

Vi in response to your comments.

Top thread

hand 1 - Yea you are spot on I shud of b/f turn. an error in my thinking, opp is actually getting to play his weak holding alot easier when i check turn and bet river.

Hand 3 - You really are gonna 3bet $10, its so small tho ive just remembered you have a habit of 3betting very little sometimes.

Hand 5 - yea i agree totally with your point. i did think of raising but didnt do it.

Second thread

hand 1 - Well i was in deep after second barreling him so i opted to make a value bet bet size bluff lol. i honestly didnt think he would call it. uber TAGs would play alsmot all their holdings different bar Qx there which is what i presume he had.

hand 2 - yea probably shudve

hand 3 - opp wasnt loose if i remember, he wud be more tight than loose. since im OOP i opted for a c/r since there are too many cards that will hurt me, opp will probably play very str8 forward to a c/r plus i can lead for alotof scary turns instead of c/c'ing flop with no inititive on turn. what u think??? Plus I try not to float OOP plus board is so wet that if opp gets a good turn card and i check his 2nd barrels are super EV for him.

Hand 3 (2) - huh? u saying i shud of bet yea?

Hand 4 - why call flop vs a loose aggr player when i dont like a ton of turn cards? shve chips down his neck since he 3bet range is very wide and my 3bet calling range crushes him. this is ok for my hand vs his range so i shove.

[Da GOAT]

quick after session update. ran 17bb/100 over 966 hands for +$164 plus $20 bonus unlocked.

Biggest loser - i was surprised with his holding as he seemed to play 30/14 or so, i taut he was quiet at the table so i dunno what he was thinking.

FullTiltPoker Game #4860024274: Table Bamber (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:30:50 ET - 2008/01/14
Seat 1: WS2260 ($49.25)
Seat 2: Rnuss24 ($109.75)
Seat 3: CptnCoyote ($49.75)
Seat 4: duckymucky ($71.70)
Seat 5: wilbor ($56.30)
Seat 6: MantaForce ($62.50)
wilbor posts the small blind of $0.25
MantaForce posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Ad Kc]
WS2260 folds
Rnuss24 raises to $1.75
CptnCoyote calls $1.75
duckymucky folds
wilbor folds
MantaForce raises to $8
Rnuss24 calls $6.25
CptnCoyote folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Ac 4d]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $12
CptnCoyote adds $2
Rnuss24 calls $12
*** TURN *** [6h Ac 4d] [6d]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce checks
Rnuss24 checks
*** RIVER *** [6h Ac 4d 6d] [2d]
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce bets $20
Rnuss24 raises to $89.75, and is all in
MantaForce calls $22.50, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $47.25 returned to Rnuss24
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rnuss24 shows [5s 3s] a straight, Six high
MantaForce mucks
Rnuss24 wins the pot ($124) with a straight, Six high
MantaForce is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $127 | Rake $3
Board: [6h Ac 4d 6d 2d]
Seat 1: WS2260 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Rnuss24 showed [5s 3s] and won ($124) with a straight, Six high
Seat 3: CptnCoyote folded before the Flop
Seat 4: duckymucky (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: wilbor (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: MantaForce (big blind) mucked [Ad Kc] - two pair, Aces and Sixes

Biuggest winner

FullTiltPoker Game #4860164825: Table Brill (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:43:30 ET - 2008/01/14
Seat 1: MantaForce ($50)
Seat 2: Youandwhosearmy ($49.25)
Seat 3: SushiWarrior ($49.25)
Seat 4: kik1023 ($38.65)
Seat 5: POS79 ($50.40)
Seat 6: daryldepo ($72.85)
kik1023 posts the small blind of $0.25
POS79 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MantaForce [Kd Kh]
daryldepo calls $0.50
MantaForce raises to $2.25
Youandwhosearmy folds
SushiWarrior folds
kik1023 folds
POS79 calls $1.75
kik1023 is sitting out
daryldepo calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [6h Ks Js]
POS79 checks
daryldepo bets $3.50
MantaForce has 15 seconds left to act
MantaForce raises to $17.50
POS79 raises to $48.15, and is all in
daryldepo calls $44.65
MantaForce calls $30.25, and is all in
POS79 shows [Jd Jh]
daryldepo shows [7s As]
MantaForce shows [Kd Kh]
*** TURN *** [6h Ks Js] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Ks Js 4d] [Ac]
POS79 shows three of a kind, Jacks
daryldepo shows a pair of Aces
POS79 wins the side pot ($0.80) with three of a kind, Jacks
MantaForce shows three of a kind, Kings
MantaForce wins the main pot ($147.25) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $151.05 Main pot $150.25. Side pot $0.80. | Rake $3
Board: [6h Ks Js 4d Ac]
Seat 1: MantaForce showed [Kd Kh] and won ($147.25) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: Youandwhosearmy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SushiWarrior (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: kik1023 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: POS79 (big blind) showed [Jd Jh] and won ($0.80) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: daryldepo showed [7s As] and lost with a pair of Aces

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Hand 3 (2) - huh? u saying i shud of bet yea?

Hand 4 - why call flop vs a loose aggr player when i dont like a ton of turn cards? shve chips down his neck since he 3bet range is very wide and my 3bet calling range crushes him. this is ok for my hand vs his range so i shove.

no but i think your turn bet would be considered more for protection from draws rather than trying to fold out Q-x. i'd check behind on the river too

looking at it again yea i agree a flop check/shove is best. the other two big reasons i'd take your line though are because we aren't really c/c ing the flop with any other hands that often since we are usually check/shoving our good hands to protect our range when we check/shove with draws. also, check/shoving 10-10 on that flop widens your range that you can value check/shove in similar spots in the future.

[Da GOAT]

thx Vi for that, i agree with u.

btw ive picked up mathemathics of poker again and its fairly interesting stuff tho its a tough read in the first few chapters but later chapters are abit easier to follow.

[Da GOAT]

GOGOGOGO New thread title FTW!!!!!!

1000NL!!!!! Im working real hard on my game right now that i so think its feasible tho realistically it may take more than a year to do.

2008 Goals:-

Phase 1 - 200NL 6max at the very least

Phase 2 - 400NL shots at $10K

Phase 3 - 600NL shots at $15K

Phase 4 - 1000NL shots at $25K


I think I can beat 200NL even right now tho i dont have the bankroll so ill just have to grind up the dough.

GO GO GO GO

[Da GOAT]

actually fuck it new thread lol

[Anosmic]

Hee hee. I'm just gonna keep bumping this one

SRSLY, good luck, make it to $1KNL and then tell me how