How to Make a Metric Fuckton of Money in 2011

Step 1: Go download IceChat: IceChat IRC Client :: IRC Client Extra-Ordinaire :: The Chat Cool People Use. It's free and it's small and it doesn't have any spyware or shit like that.

Step 1.5: If you want to try to connect without downloading anything, you can go to http://www.thundercity.net/chat/ and after you log in and it connects type /join #flopturnriver

Step 2: When it comes up when you run it, on the left click the Add New button and put in irc.thundercity.net, then choose irc.thundercity.net from the list and click connect. After it connects, type /join #flopturnriver in the box and hit enter, and you're there.

Step 3: Talk about poker with people in the chat like myself, GrinderSchool instructors d0zer, m2m, and Carrotz, and a number of small stakes and mid-stakes players.

Step 4: Make a bunch of money and have stories to tell girls at bars and clubs about ptbbs and fpps.

IRC is the nuts, and while the forums are good, this is like 20x faster and more interactive.

One good way to get a taste of it is to lurk for a while. Just get in there and leave it running and come back to it and read through the chat every few hours. Good poker advice and good laughs guaranteed. Then jump in.

I've finally settled in, so kinda hoping to hang a bit myself, just to have poker conversations mostly to get back into the groove

I still have the old mIRC, is it worth downloading Icechat?

Originally Posted by jyms

I've finally settled in, so kinda hoping to hang a bit myself, just to have poker conversations mostly to get back into the groove

I still have the old mIRC, is it worth downloading Icechat?

Probably not as long as it works. Some people were having trouble with mIRC a while back, etc.

Wow. This sounds kewl. I'mma go check it out. Thanks OP!

IceChat is cool. I hooked it up and saw you guys use weaktight to post hands, so I went over there and who is atop all the race leaderboards?! Wow, I remember spending days trying to get a decent score with that thing.

edit: Spoonitnow, that's who!


Hey, when did we go metric?

Is IceChat free? Seems to me you have to purchase mirc. I use pigeon but sometimes it is a pain so may have to try IceChat if free.

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Is IceChat free? Seems to me you have to purchase mirc.

No need to purchase it. It keeps working even after the "trial" is over.

yes. go for ICE chat its free . probable better than MIRC too

This Purchase Mirc issue happened to me a few months ago.

Its too much effort to try and get MIRC to work

Yea my mIRC has worked but it been a little buggy in the past, I haven't updated in a long time

the only thing that ever happens is sometimes instead of "continue" you have the "exit" option....just click exit and restart mIRC ...happens from time to time but is easily solved.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

the only thing that ever happens is sometimes instead of "continue" you have the "exit" option....just click exit and restart mIRC ...happens from time to time but is easily solved.

A lot of people (myself included) have gotten a different screen where it forces you to register or not use it anymore. Kinda lame considering I used the installation on my laptop for over 2 years before it did it.

I've visited IRC a several times in the last month or so. There are some cool people there to discuss poker with, but I'll be frank: there are also some jerks. I've observed people complaining about glass-tapping. Not at the tables, mind you, but in the channel itself. I have personally been mocked for discussing concepts that are apparently elementary. There seems to be a philosophy among some of the IRCers that there is too much educating of the fish going on.

I'm still willing to give it a chance. But if you want more people to visit, keep in mind that this sort of attitude will turn people away.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I've visited IRC a several times in the last month or so. There are some cool people there to discuss poker with, but I'll be frank: there are also some jerks. I've observed people complaining about glass-tapping. Not at the tables, mind you, but in the channel itself. I have personally been mocked for discussing concepts that are apparently elementary. There seems to be a philosophy among some of the IRCers that there is too much educating of the fish going on.

I'm still willing to give it a chance. But if you want more people to visit, keep in mind that this sort of attitude will turn people away.

There's about a 99.99% chance that you misunderstood some piece of sarcasm that was thrown around about short stacked games, or that someone got bitched at for something they said to people at the tables and you didn't get the reference.

In other words, don't sweat it, and keep on keeping on.

Also, post more hands.

wow sick sample bro

what is that 5 min of a sample when the channel is open 24/7? I think you may be confusing the IRC with the 2+2 forums.

No, I've spent about 10 hours there actively. I also try to leave IRC running when I'm away so I can go back and read stuff. I've been using Mibbit though, which sucks, and crashes a lot. I'll try switching to Ice.

I'm not entirely dissuaded from participating. Guys like Spoon, Oskar, Carrot, and you (M2M) make it worthwhile. I'm just saying there will likely be people who give it a try and leave with a bad taste in their mouth. I like to think that I'm perceptive to humor and sarcasm on the internet. I really don't think that was the case in my bad experiences.

just put yaawn on ignore :P

Most of the people I learned poker from were massive dicks. If you turn your back on assholes because you're oversensitive about the meanies on the internets, you're seriously limiting your educational opportunities.

As for there being a culture of not wanting to help the fish, that's just absurd -- a bunch of us make instructional videos aimed at newer players -- you just might not always find someone willing to discuss what you want to. I know I've tried to help even the most clueless fish.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

just put yaawn on ignore :P

lol QFT

Umm. I know that culture can seem mean. But honestly, if they weren't so "mean" it would never get through some people's head.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I like to think that I'm perceptive to humor and sarcasm on the internet.

You and me both!

Originally Posted by d0zer

Most of the people I learned poker from were massive dicks. If you turn your back on assholes because you're oversensitive about the meanies on the internets, you're seriously limiting your educational opportunities.

As for there being a culture of not wanting to help the fish, that's just absurd -- a bunch of us make instructional videos aimed at newer players -- you just might not always find someone willing to discuss what you want to. I know I've tried to help even the most clueless fish.

I can deal with flaming and trolls. I'm 25. I'm used to that on the internet. What I'm addressing here is elitism and stonewalling. Active discouragement of poker discussion. I didn't say it was a prevalent culture, but that mindset is certainly present to some extent, from my observations at least.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I can deal with flaming and trolls. I'm 25. I'm used to that on the internet. What I'm addressing here is elitism and stonewalling. Active discouragement of poker discussion. I didn't say it was a prevalent culture, but that mindset is certainly present to some extent, from my observations at least.

oh hi I'm gynodromewave and I got butthurt a couple times on irc so gave up on it baby/bathwater styles

My feelings aren't hurt and I haven't given up on it. I'm in IRC right now.

I know I've ruffled some feathers by bringing this up. I'm not trying to shit on the channel. I appreciate that Spoon really seems to want more people to join, so I thought it would be helpful to shed some light on this. There will be people who join for the first time and get the wrong impression because of a few bad apples. I'm just trying to give a fair warning.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Step 3: Talk about poker with people in the chat like myself, GrinderSchool instructors d0zer, m2m, and Carrotz, and fish like yaawn and daven and noofie

fyp - friendly but

blah blah blah {edited}-jyms

wut

lol all I say in the main forum page was "How to Make a Metric Fuckton"

First thing to pop into my head was...SPOON THREAD SNAP CLICK

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Step 4: Make a bunch of money and have stories to tell girls at bars and clubs about ptbbs and fpps.

and lol

Originally Posted by vladimirgorcekov

blah blah blah {edited}-jyms

Wait till the decipher crew read this. Instant ban vladimir .

Honestly, I've been frequenting IRC for over a year now and I have this to say. Yeah there is some tough love, certain people are impatient and can be rude. That's life though noone has to give up their time to help newer players, but they do so getting the occassional bit of attittude is something you can jst shrug off and say w/e I'm learning.

I have no idea what this glass tapping shit is though. Maybe I missed the day this went on, but it NEVER happens. The whole point of irc is to help people out and get help yourself. It's a ladder of information passed down from rung to rung between players of a wide range of ability. There are like 800,000 billion fish out there and irc gets traffic of like 20 people on a good day. Why the hell would anyone care about "glass tapping" FTR is a small community and IRC an even smaller segment, trust me, no reg that frequents IRC cares about this. It's the interwebs and we can't police who comes in or not, wegive everyone a chance. I some dbag was going on about this let me assure you it was a one off and in no way reflects what this place is like.

As for "Eliteism", I'm not totally sure what you mean by this. If you mean the better players can be patronising or hard on beginenrs then yeah, sometimes, fair enough, they're not doing it to be cunts, but rather to make sure the point gets across. This is why I'm hard on people from time to time, simply because I don't think they'll fully take it on board otherwise. Some people have a great atittude to learning and there's no need to be hard on them because they soak up what you say like a sponge. I've watched spoon and m2m give guys advice for the last year and not once have I thought "wow he's out of line" if anything they're both very respectful. Yaawn can be a dick, yeah, but he doesn't mean any of it personally and again he's taking time out to give guys advice. If you ever feel like yaawn leaves you with a bad taste it's because he gets frustrated when people don't understand concepts because he really just wants to help and get people thinking about the right shit. He'll call you a dumb fuck for a lot of the stuff you say, but think of it as constrcutive criticism and not persecution. Getting pissed off at yaawn is like getting pissed off at the rain for being wet, rain is always going to be wet, but without it no plant life would grow, nam sayin'.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify what IRC is like and defend it because I do feel gryndowave's review to be unfair and pretty much inaccurate. Not saying shit like this wont happen ever, but it's so rare, and I don't get the eliteism thing at all.

You guys have obviously spent a lot more time in IRC than I have, so you would know better than me how things actually are. What I'm presenting is a perspective, albeit a narrow one, of how I perceived things. I believe that if new visitors join the channel at certain times when certain people are on, there's a good chance they'll come away with the same impression. But maybe not. Maybe I just happened to stumble across a few conversations that are completely uncharacteristic.

Then again, I'm not so sure. Last night a notable user was going on about how information is toxic and how the games would be so much better without sites like FTR and training videos. He was upset with me for the points I've made in this thread, but then proceeded to reaffirm them. That is the sort of attitude that I find unsettling, much more than the trolling and name-calling. Again, maybe that was out of character. People seem to think he's a great guy. He might have just been saying that because I tilted him or something.

If that is the case, and these incidents have all been weird anomalies, I regret that we got off on the wrong foot.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

You guys have obviously spent a lot more time in IRC than I have, so you would know better than me how things actually are. What I'm presenting is a perspective, albeit a narrow one, of how I perceived things. I believe that if new visitors join the channel at certain times when certain people are on, there's a good chance they'll come away with the same impression. But maybe not. Maybe I just happened to stumble across a few conversations that are completely uncharacteristic.

Then again, I'm not so sure. Last night a notable user was going on about how information is toxic and how the games would be so much better without sites like FTR and training videos. He was upset with me for the points I've made in this thread, but then proceeded to reaffirm them. That is the sort of attitude that I find unsettling, much more than the trolling and name-calling. Again, maybe that was out of character. People seem to think he's a great guy. He might have just been saying that because I tilted him or something.

If that is the case, and these incidents have all been weird anomalies, I regret that we got off on the wrong foot.

I wasn't in there for this, but the bold is true and I don't see how it can be argued otherwise.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I can deal with flaming and trolls. I'm 25. I'm used to that on the internet. What I'm addressing here is elitism and stonewalling. Active discouragement of poker discussion. I didn't say it was a prevalent culture, but that mindset is certainly present to some extent, from my observations at least.

I also totally don't get the elitism comment.

lol internets

* spoonitnow changes topic to 'Welcome to #flopturnriver, home of elitism and newbie hate. Don't post hand histories with weaktight.com or pokerhand.org because we're just going to make fun of you. We hate helping people learn to play poker better. Mark NSFW links as such.'

<Luco> remove the word 'welcome' too, gives the wrong impression imo

Of course it's true, but we're part of that community. If you feel that sharing information is a sin, then why join a site like FTR?

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Of course it's true, but we're part of that community. If you feel that sharing information is a sin, then why join a site like FTR?

Who said it was a sin?

Also:

* DC ([email protected]) has joined #flopturnriver
* @spoonitnow slaps DC around a bit with a large trout
<@spoonitnow> check the new topic
<@spoonitnow> i will tolerate no helping newbies in this goddamn channel
<DC> that's fine
<DC> I don't help them anyway
<SrslySirius> :/
<DC> all I do is teach them how to spew money
<@spoonitnow> no
<@spoonitnow> you can't even teach them to suck
<@spoonitnow> teaching is not allowed
<@spoonitnow> it's shitheads like you teaching fish
<@spoonitnow> making the games worse
<@spoonitnow> god you should be ashamed

=P

Come on man, like no one else feels like this out of how many people?

IRCCloud is an awesome new client, however you need a beta invite.

irccloud.com

Originally Posted by rosca

IRCCloud is an awesome new client, however you need a beta invite.

irccloud.com

yea, since we are talking about irc software I won't delete this, but I warn anyone at FTR to be careful clicking links and downloading software from unknown places or by unknown posters.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I can deal with flaming and trolls. I'm 25. I'm used to that on the internet. What I'm addressing here is elitism and stonewalling. Active discouragement of poker discussion. I didn't say it was a prevalent culture, but that mindset is certainly present to some extent, from my observations at least.

<@spoonitnow> i will kick the next person who even fucking says anything about poker
<@spoonitnow> ...
<@spoonitnow> try me
<@spoonitnow> motherfucker
<couriermk> pokerpokerpoker
<couriermk> haha
* couriermk was kicked by spoonitnow (couriermk)
<crzwelman> lol that was obvious
<@spoonitnow> shit
<@spoonitnow> he doesn't know how to get back in
* couriermk ([email protected]) has joined #flopturnriver
<@spoonitnow> wait nm he does lol

lol metric fuckton, as opposed to an imperial fuckton

For uber noobs (pokerwise and internet slang-wise) like I was (am), it was overwhelming as I didn't have a clue what anyone was talking about. I tried forever to figure out what "ldfo" meant but it should have been ldfo.

8 out of 10 lines were by Yawn. Once I ignored him it was easier.

Maybe I'll join later tonight as I haven't in a while. I might learn something...

in b4 luck, whoops I mean lock.

awesome.....Fear me.

There's already enough luck in poker, nam sayin'

Ya, I think my poker potential has been held back a LOT because I don't have anyone in person near my level to discuss poker or hands with in my area, so I should try to find other ways to fill the void and the Interweb tubes make it that much easier to do so.

Originally Posted by Jason

Ya, I think my poker potential has been held back a LOT because I don't have anyone in person near my level to discuss poker or hands with in my area, so I should try to find other ways to fill the void and the Interweb tubes make it that much easier to do so.

ditto

Originally Posted by Jason

Ya, I think my poker potential has been held back a LOT because I don't have anyone in person near my level to discuss poker or hands with in my area, so I should try to find other ways to fill the void and the Interweb tubes make it that much easier to do so.

Same. I think about this all the time. I wish I had a (Steinberg) twin.

Originally Posted by kmind

Same. I think about this all the time. I wish I had a (Steinberg) twin.

loool qft

IRC is a great way to learn. Sometimes people cuss you out and say you are worthless, maybe even for absolutely no reason. That being said, I guarantee you spending time in there will make you better.

After all, you gotta realize they are tutoring us fish for free.

Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket

IRC is a great way to learn. Sometimes people cuss you out and say you are worthless, maybe even for absolutely no reason. That being said, I guarantee you spending time in there will make you better.

After all, you gotta realize they are tutoring us fish for free.

We need to be reminded of our worthlessness from time to time. Builds character and helps with range estimates.

'put him on a range and get back to me'
amana? or kenmore?

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I've visited IRC a several times in the last month or so. There are some cool people there to discuss poker with, but I'll be frank: there are also some jerks. I've observed people complaining about glass-tapping. Not at the tables, mind you, but in the channel itself. I have personally been mocked for discussing concepts that are apparently elementary. There seems to be a philosophy among some of the IRCers that there is too much educating of the fish going on.

I'm still willing to give it a chance. But if you want more people to visit, keep in mind that this sort of attitude will turn people away.

<SrslySirius> No, I'm admitting that I was wrong.
<SrslySirius> Some crazy things were said when I was new to the channel and I misinterpreted them.

booooomshakalakalaka

I am SrslySirius, for the record.

why so sirius

If you last a couple weeks, you can last for a long time.

Can we change greenhydrowave's name to SrslySirius on the forums already? I mean, jesus.

Originally Posted by Penneywize

Can we change greenhydrowave's name to SrslySirius on the forums already? I mean, jesus.

I'm trying to look into this. It's not an easy thing to get done.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I'm trying to look into this. It's not an easy thing to get done.

yes it is just PM GMML

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yes it is just PM GMML

Alright, I just gave that a shot. I do know that they got sick of name change requests several years ago, so I'm not entirely optimistic. But we'll see.

Please refer him to this thread, and also point out that triptanes (lolzzz) was in favour of a name change in your regard as well. THAT'LL GET'R DONE

Request denied, ldo.

Standard reason, same as it was years ago. Once you let one guy do it, everybody wants a name change.

Isnt this a human rights issue here ?

We live in a world where you can change your gender , Gays can adopt children etc.

A name change because "everyone will want to" seems unfair, I certainly wouldnt .

Is there an appeal process ? I hope so . In europe we have the court of human rights .

" The law throughout the United Kingdom permits people to change their name at any time and without any special permission or process. This applies to everyone, including people who change their gender." EHRC - Trans people: your right to change your name

Are you in the US ? DO you have human right groups ?

State laws can regulate name changes in the United States. Several specific federal court rulings have set precedents regarding both court decreed name changes and common law name changes (changing your name "at will").Name change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What state are you in ?

We can't let you be gay bc then everybody would want to be gay.

lol wat. It's a messageboard, there are no rights.

Name changes are a privilege, and I think it's reserved for more well-known/connected people such as Bickles.

yeah but you are going to be on the 2p2 podcast thing

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

lol wat. It's a messageboard, there are no rights.

Name changes are a privilege, and I think it's reserved for more well-known/connected people such as Bickles.

FWIW, most changes, such as bike's, were because their new name was similar. Sorry grny

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

yeah but you are going to be on the 2p2 podcast thing

So? That doesn't garner favor with the powers that be at FTR, does it?

That podcast was posted today, btw.

Where's lolzzz, we need him to push this through. He and gimmle are like, best buddies and whatever.

Meh, I give up. If the admins say no, then I see no reason to pursue it further.

Ok, back to IRC topic then.

Hey yeah, IRC is great, etc etc.

Originally Posted by kmind

FWIW, most changes, such as bike's, were because their new name was similar. Sorry grny

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this. Just for fun, maybe I'll try asking to have it changed to grny, which is very similar. I'm confident that it will be rejected.

Care to wager? I'll give you 3:1.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this. Just for fun, maybe I'll try asking to have it changed to grny, which is very similar. I'm confident that it will be rejected.

Care to wager? I'll give you 3:1.

I wouldn't risk pissing gmml off with this type of shit imo

so yeah IRC is great huh

Yeah for sure. It's already earned me several hundred fuckpounds.

<profnabeshin_> So do you guys know phil ivey?
<SrslySirius> never heard of him
<profnabeshin_> Does he chat in here sometimes?
<SrslySirius> is he a batman villain?
<profnabeshin_> You're stupid
<profnabeshin_> Shutup
<SrslySirius> no u
<profnabeshin_> Shut the fuck up.
<SrslySirius> Come at me bro.
<profnabeshin_> You're like one of those people from WoW in trade chat.
<SrslySirius> Come at me bro.
<profnabeshin_> JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP

lolwat