flop TPTK raised by unknown

so these spots vs unknowns are still weird for me.

villain is 0/0 over 26 hands.

so i have no ideea about his preflop range.


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saw flop

CO ($4.05)
Button ($9.08)
SB ($8.35)
BB ($11.93)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($7.47)
MP1 ($11.86)
Hero (MP2) ($10.52)
MP3 ($22.03)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $0.35, 2 folds, Button calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 8, Q, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.80

the raise seems small to me. the reasonable assumption would be a set here, but why would you raise a set on such a dry board when you are IP and there are a lot of chances opp will fodl and you lose value?by calling a set here you will get another bet on turn from opp and you can raise then;could be to build the pot but also i am thinking he is Qx or JT,J9,9T, 99,TT,JJ and tryes to get pot now , so i call.

wrong flop analyze? should i just fold this vs unknowns and waite other hands to see how he plays?

Turn: ($3.65) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero?

when turn T comes i am thinking that gave him straight (J9), set (TT), 2 pairs ( QT) and again bet size is 50-60% of pot so not that big, but he maybe he just wants to get called.

what the best line here vs unknown? b/f? c/c? c/f?

not a very unusual hand, but opp being unknow i still have problems making decisions here. my tendency is to fold and wait to get reads on him , but i am thinking that maybe i am folding best hand too many times vs unknowns on spots like this vs unknowns.

so pls, advices on what would be better on flop and turn also vs unknowns. ty.

Fold. Give villain benefit of doubt until you get reads.

Excuse me but if he is 0/0 on 26 hands it is more than a slight hint that he is (very) tight. So he flats pre and you flop TPTK on a super dry flop, you bet and he raises. What does that look like to you?

Don't see at all why he could not raise a set here, if he wants the stacks in, he has to raise somewhere along the line and the flop is as good as any to do that. He can expect to be called by your top pairs and overpairs. So I would not discard sets at all here. Actually I would put sets in his most likely hands. Given his apparent tightness I would tend to discount that he does that with just top pair, especially with any less than top kicker and would not even count on a second pair at all. JTs maybe, but I'd wait for a read that he plays draws aggressively, which he probably doesn't if he is indeed a nit.

I fold flop and wait for more reads. If you really want you can peel one, but def. c/f turn. And yes, it may occasionally happen that you fold the best hand because he had the very bottom of his range or because his range his wider than you thought. That's not worse than stacking off with the worse hand.

right... just making sure once again that b/c flop and c/f turn is ok

b/c the flop is not okay imo.

I don't know why you say you have no idea about his pf range. Use the information available to you. Every indication is that he's a huge nit. Don't assume otherwise until he gives you reason to.

So Qx, J9, etc. are not in his PF range. Now be reasonable about his range after raising on the flop. Raising with 99-JJ is a weird non-standard thing to do. Most people call with those hands. There is no reason to assume that he gets out of line like this. All we know is that he's a nit, and if we're going to assume anything about his tendencies, it should be that he waits around for big hands.

The only hands he's raising for value are KQ+ (though he probably calls these half the time), sets, and sometimes KK+. That is a range that has you crushed. There are no hands from his PF range that he could conceivably semibluff with on the flop. No reason to believe he ever bluff raises with air.

Maybe I'm the nit here, but it looks like an easy c/f to me.

yeah fold flop for me. his range is like 22,88,QQ and maybe some flatted KK,AA. as played C/F turn.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

The only hands he's raising for value are KQ+ (though he probably calls these half the time), sets, and sometimes KK+. That is a range that has you crushed. There are no hands from his PF range that he could conceivably semibluff with on the flop. No reason to believe he ever bluff raises with air.

Maybe I'm the nit here, but it looks like an easy c/f to me.

i doubt he even raises KQ for value. AQ may be in there but it's the bottom of his range imo. but yeah i agree. fold flop.

damn, i thought i past donkey stage, but seems i havent yet... still gotta learn some more self control and get away from that bad desire to win every pot. yup. ty. you are right, best thing is b/f flop.... dont know why i even ask these things anymore... you'd think i learned by now, but i still have donkey thinking once in a while

Originally Posted by Razvan729

damn, i thought i past donkey stage, but seems i havent yet... still gotta learn some more self control and get away from that bad desire to win every pot. yup. ty. you are right, best thing is b/f flop.... dont know why i even ask these things anymore... you'd think i learned by now, but i still have donkey thinking once in a while

Don't beat yourself up over it, and don't be too embarrassed to post hands or ask questions.

I still post "lol standard" hands and ask obvious questions in IRC, and sometimes I feel dumb doing so. Sometimes they laugh at me. But I don't care because it helps me get better.