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Off5th
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03-19-2006, 06:31 AM
Post subject: Best time to play Ax suited...
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For anyone who is an expert in playing Ax suited...when is the best time to do so???
1.)After a raise by another player L8 position
2.)Late Position limp
3.) Late Position raise
I think this is the only hands I have trouble playing. Sounds weird but hey, its an interesting question.
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IOS
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I play 6max so I'll usually call with Ax suited I'll usually call a 4xBB raise from any position regardless of how many people are seeing the flop. I guess this can be a leak, but I have a 10+ PTBB over 20k hands, so I'm not worried about it.
If you are talking about full ring, I would usually call a 4x BB raise from any position as long as 3 or more people are seeing the flop. Again I don't play full ring, so keep that in mind when taking my advice.
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Off5th
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Ok now since that flopping a flush draw is 11% (close to flopping a set which is 11.8%) Now for example in a $50 n/l game if a person raises $3. And you get it Ax suitd from late position, and flop a flush draw on the flop. YOu get it isolated to only you and him and with great implied odds (assuming you know he'll pay you off if you hit your flush). Would it be correct to call preflop and small bets that he makes post flop?? I don't know if this is correct so feel free to make suggestions please
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Pelion
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I just limp it in late position (or anywhere on a passive table). You dont get paid off when the third flushcard falls and a PFR generally wont give you odds to chase in a raised pot so I dont see how it can be profitable to call raises unless you are going to start raising cbets and making people fold and the like.
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Seasider
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Originally Posted by Off5th
Ok now since that flopping a flush draw is 11% (close to flopping a set which is 11.8%) Now for example in a $50 n/l game if a person raises $3. And you get it Ax suitd from late position, and flop a flush draw on the flop. YOu get it isolated to only you and him and with great implied odds (assuming you know he'll pay you off if you hit your flush). Would it be correct to call preflop and small bets that he makes post flop?? I don't know if this is correct so feel free to make suggestions please
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My instant thoughts are that people can't see sets looking at them and there is nothing better than a single suit flop to dry up action so you will have your work cut out to make someone stack off. That said there is something very satisfying about someone with a lower flush paying you off, but some tighter players would even fold these in the face of mad action imho.
I play 6 max and generally play A2-5 suited (as well as the high ones obviously) and leave out the mid-ones as it gives the chance of a straight, I dont like calling raises with them but that depends on reads and how the other players act post flop. I am constantly trying not to chase and the worst case is ending up looking at a flush draw heads up against an aggressive post flop player, ooohh the temptation.
I probably play them badly tho, on my baby PT database (11855 hands) I am up $48.93 on Ax suited. Most of this comes from AKs obviously (over$100) and includes a couple of bad beats etc where flushes hit full houses on river (I think i posted a few of those last weekend to vent)  .
I would probably be up a lot more if I just folded all below A10s but I dont want to look like a rock! A2-A5 are pretty much break even and probably help keep it looking like I'm doing something.
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jackvance
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Ah two 6max players here.. may I ask you guys something? What hands do you generally play from early pos and late pos? Adding Axs with x low is something I'm gonna try adding to my repertoire. Just to play more hands really.
So.. what is your postflop range early pos and late pos, if you don't mind sharing?
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IOS
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Originally Posted by jackvance
Ah two 6max players here.. may I ask you guys something? What hands do you generally play from early pos and late pos? Adding Axs with x low is something I'm gonna try adding to my repertoire. Just to play more hands really.
So.. what is your postflop range early pos and late pos, if you don't mind sharing?
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In my opinion there is no textbook way of playing 6max, I guess that is why it intrigues me more than full ring. I don't have a starting hand requirement or post flop range. I'll call down with pocket fours on a board with all overcards depending on what my instincts say. There is a shorthanded section in this forum, it has some good strategy links.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=45
If you are just starting out 6max I suggest playing no more than 2 tables. Try to get good reads on your opponents and pick out weakness.
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Miffed22001
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im not a fan of calling raises with Axs
Why?
Often enough your opponent is honding the hand, probably with a better kicker. So basicaly you are drawing to a kicker and/or a flush draw. Id prefer to be playing 89s or some other stuff here instead. Saying that, if you get a raise and a few callers before you, i often think PFR plus two callers, maybe one at times, then id consider going for a fish in the pot. I just dont like to play big pots with Axs when i know opps cant fold top pair. At tighter games id be calling with any two im dealt anyway, but thats another scenario.
As for an unraised pot im a little more open to how to play it. At awful passive tables then i may even limp UTG because of the table texture, and detainly in mp/lp im getting in the pot behind limpers.
Of course the other option in 6 max is to include these hands as preflop raising hands anyway to try and disguis the hand you have/are drawing too. Not sure on the figures, but i guess that isnt particularly ev in the long term.
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littlewashu
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whats wrong with just calling the 3.00 raise in this case if you flop youre draw bet out and take what you can get. I mean you arnt going to always win huge pots any money that goes into youre chip stack is a good thing right??
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Off5th
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Originally Posted by littlewashu
whats wrong with just calling the 3.00 raise in this case if you flop youre draw bet out and take what you can get. I mean you arnt going to always win huge pots any money that goes into youre chip stack is a good thing right??
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That's a good point. However though I'd rather not bet into my opponent who took the lead preflop. If he checks and I bet my draw, he'll reraise if he has AA, or even QQ. I know you'll have a comeback for this and I'd love to here it.
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