Live > Online

[dranger7070]

I've been pot deprived for 36+ hours, Imma be having some mood swings ldo.

I think you're right that a lot of people overestimate their winrates online and live, but at the same time, I think you are underestimating the number of people that can do 5bb/100 whilst mass tabling. I'm not saying its omfg 34039282305 people can do it because that's obviously not the case. But I guarantee the number is upwards of 250 (at 50-100nl on Stars and FTP) and I'm probably underestimating that as well.

[dranger7070]

And omg dev is alive? Inb4 d0zer/daven/etc starts.

[Micro2Macro]

can't really lie these days about win rates

though live players can still think they win $500 a night on average at 1/2

[dranger7070]

But VPPS!

[dev]

Oh yeah, hi ftr, zombiedev is here.

Imagine you sit down to a 10 handed 200nl game and click the 'wait for bb' button. You see UTG raise 8.5bb and 4 players call. UTG leads a 2-tone Q high flop for another 8.5bb, 2 callers. Turn is the ace that completes the flush. check, check, Shove for 15bb, fold, fold. The player that just went limp-call/call/shove shows AA.

Online, you might just start salivating and post early, because the table is just that good. Live, this is not an uncommon occurrence. The winning regulars at 1/2 live would be prize fish in online games, worthy of 9 player wait lists.

I was going to leave this discussion alone but I played 1/2 in a poker room tonight because a local game fell thru. One guy at my table seemed competent, but was hovering around 100 in a 300 max buyin game. Away from the table, I asked if he was an online player, he said yes. I asked why he was playing short, he shrugged and didn't give a definite answer. I see online players show up and buy in short, then play the ranges they might play with 100bb against online opponents. They just get broke and frustrated.

If the players in this thread aren't crushing, and I don't mean online-crushing, if you guys aren't ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING casino 1/2 games, you're just not trying hard enough. The fish make ridiculous braindead preflop calls and then give you great odds to draw to anything at all when they make a hand and don't fold top pair when you hit. You get such an edge just for understanding basic math, and then on top of that, if you study physical tells people's hands can be face up before they even act. Winning 80% of your sessions is a reasonable goal in casino 1/2 games.

And where the hell is fnord in this discussion?

[Fieldsy]

Another thing about live 1/2 at the Casino is the bets are huge. Its not uncommon for people to raise 8-12xbb preflop.

[pokerfan]

Another thing about live 1/2 at the Casino is the bets are huge. Its not uncommon for people to raise 8-12xbb preflop.

Last Friday night,i open raised $17 from UTG1, 7 players called behind,flop came out 744r,i bet $60,ALL but one folded. Typical dream juicy game!!
Just keep it in mind that your win rate will be improved greatly if you make less bluffs but catch their bluffs in lots of spots where their bet sizing and body language indicate obvious weakness.

[Fieldsy]

Its aggravating at times lol. I will raise to 15 with AA and all fold. I will raise to 20 with AA and have 3 callers