ipoker successes?

[Thunder]

Hi,

I am veeeeeeeery sceptical about ipoker. Though I believe online pokeris not rigged, I wouldn't be surprised if it is, either. But I won't go into details.

Anyway, after having played at 2 ipoker skins and noticed the same issues (including loads of aces on the flop and on the river) I'd like to know if anyone here has made a success on this platform.

I checked the winners of the jackpot events - where you land $50,000 for winning 5 in a row etc - and to a man, they all had horrendous ROIs and profits. In fact, most were still running at a loss, depsite pocketing 50 big 'uns.

[EzDuzIt]

def rigged

[Halv]

I can't believe I'm about to make a serious reply to a rigg3ddd thread, but yeah, I win at ipoker.

at least at 2/4. 3/6+ is def riggd!

[Thunder]

Not a question about rigging - but succeeding.

[EzDuzIt]

nobody succeeds... its rigged.

[meeloche]

Yep rigged. Heres proof: (sorry to re-use the link)

http://www.billrini.com/archives/001169.html

Ok serious post, try a bigger site then like party or stars, problem is then you can't complain about a fishy site.

[donkbee]

ipoker is awesome.

{from commune}

[Thunder]

Pokerstars scares me.

Even the $1 events are meant to be housing a bunch of Negreanus.

[meeloche]

Pokerstars scares me.

Even the $1 events are meant to be housing a bunch of Negreanus.

Please explain.

[givememyleg]

wow

[JL]

Pokerstars scares me.

Even the $1 events are meant to be housing a bunch of Negreanus.

Please explain.

I think he means that even the donk stakes are full of tight "by the book" regulars.

It's true too. Some of the players playing the small stake turbos have made $20k+ profit, according to Sharkscope.

[taipan168]

Pokerstars scares me.

Even the $1 events are meant to be housing a bunch of Negreanus.

There is no such thing as a very good $1 SNG player, unless it's somebody rebuilding a roll or playing 28 tables as part of a prop bet or something.

[Ronnie]

Yep rigged. Heres proof: (sorry to re-use the link)

(link)

Ok serious post, try a bigger site then like party or stars, problem is then you can't complain about a fishy site.

and the skin of those pritty girls in FHM is really that smooth and toned.
Its called photoshop. Its not even difficult.

Why would these sites want to rig the games? And what system do they use to control this "rigging"?

[cbonus]

Ipoker has some weird sit n goes, in cash games I do win, not much but enough to finance the sit n goes I loose.

Very fishy players in the sit n goes but they all seem to win.. atleast against me with all ins. And by now its come to the point where the odds cant be these bad against me heh.

[giraffe]

i'm a winning player on the ipoker network and have never noticed any inconsistencies...

[mknickle]

IPoker is awesome, the problem is the large amount of bingo european players. Which equals lots of bad beats and lots of profit!

[biondino]

Hi Thunder,

iPoker isn't rigged. I promise.

Best,
biondino

[biondino]

p.s. the reason this weird jackpot is won by fishy players is exactly the same as the reason fishy players will crack your aces with crap - because they play a dumb over-aggressive -EV game but the luck that KEEPS FISH PLAYING occasionally stacks up. It's the maniacs who care nothing for slow and steady ITM play who are paradoxically most likely to record these kind of stats.

[Ash256]

iPoker is cool. It was awesome until the entire non-US population of 2+2 moved there and they banned rakeback.

[Showtime23]

still very loose games and SNG are a softer than the average, too.

[blindman]

My 10/25 no-deposit bonus on VCpoker is now over $100 after a couple of weeks. The low limits are full of fish, the bonuses cash out quickly. No complaints.

[CountMyOuts]

They may have banned rakeback, but you can still get it. It's just a matter of finding a trustworthy affiliate to get it from.

iPoker is cool. It was awesome until the entire non-US population of 2+2 moved there and they banned rakeback.

[Thunder]

I love theipoker skin, it's the best there is IMO. Everything is excellent and designed brilliantly. Best of all is the lobby, which can be filtered very deeply - all the way down to NLHE, 6 seater, >$5. Not like FT or PS where you just have the job lot and have to scroll through them all. Then there is the comprehensive chat facility, hand history and general layout with all pertinent informantion, including stats.

My only concern is that I just seem to see an unbelievable large amount of aces on flops and KA too. Maybe it was just coincidence but after a particularly harsh downswing, I decided to watch an SNG in action and record the results of aces on the flop, there were 27 in the opening 55 games. And 38 if you include the turn. 5 of these had AA on the flop. I also tracked in an SNG was playing and that was ridiculous too, something like 13 in 25.

And the French players are complete bingo nutjobs.

I *know* online poker isn't rigged. And I know it doesn't make sense for it to be any other way but my faith in ipoker is severely tested.

I was going to PS but upon DL I realise you can't get rakeback and I am not a fan of a points reward system. Also, I have searched high and low for rakeback on ipoker but to no avail, if anyone can help?

[Ash256]

I love theipoker skin, it's the best there is IMO. Everything is excellent and designed brilliantly. Best of all is the lobby, which can be filtered very deeply - all the way down to NLHE, 6 seater, >$5. Not like FT or PS where you just have the job lot and have to scroll through them all. Then there is the comprehensive chat facility, hand history and general layout with all pertinent informantion, including stats.

My only concern is that I just seem to see an unbelievable large amount of aces on flops and KA too. Maybe it was just coincidence but after a particularly harsh downswing, I decided to watch an SNG in action and record the results of aces on the flop, there were 27 in the opening 55 games. And 38 if you include the turn. 5 of these had AA on the flop. I also tracked in an SNG was playing and that was ridiculous too, something like 13 in 25.

And the French players are complete bingo nutjobs.

I *know* online poker isn't rigged. And I know it doesn't make sense for it to be any other way but my faith in ipoker is severely tested.

I was going to PS but upon DL I realise you can't get rakeback and I am not a fan of a points reward system. Also, I have searched high and low for rakeback on ipoker but to no avail, if anyone can help?

If you really want to test it work out how to datamine and leave the datminer running for something like 1m hands. You should know by now that writing down what you see on ONE SNG means absolutely nothing.

[vil1ain]

ipoker ain't rigged, althou it has crossed my mind a few times, I've played on two different skins and the results have been different but overall i'm winning (only just) on them.

I think you can get rakeback on the noble skin, thought I see this on a site somewhere, just google it and you should find what you looking for.

vil1ain

[Ronnie]

I don't think you can get rakeback on any of the ipoker sites but i believe that some take part in cash back promotions

[donkbee]

You can get rakeback at some iPoker skins, you just gotta find the affiliate.

[CountMyOuts]

I think you can get rakeback on the noble skin, thought I see this on a site somewhere, just google it and you should find what you looking for.

vil1ain

I haven't heard of it for Noble, but there are a couple of skins where you can get it under the table from discreet affiliates.

[fatshaft]

I love theipoker skin, it's the best there is IMO. Everything is excellent and designed brilliantly. Best of all is the lobby, which can be filtered very deeply - all the way down to NLHE, 6 seater, >$5. Not like FT or PS where you just have the job lot and have to scroll through them all. Then there is the comprehensive chat facility, hand history and general layout with all pertinent informantion, including stats.

iPoker software is pants. The lobby is great I give you, but the table and gamplay is one of the worst. I can only assume the sound pallette was designed by someone profoundly deaf.

I win heaps on iPoker, and play there because they are now the biggest non-US site, but if Boss were ever to catch them (won't happen obvs) or Ongame could ever fix their stupid crashing software then I'd be off like a shot.

Better places to play, with better software and worse players, but not the traffic.

[KoRnholio]

I want my 3 minutes of life back from my time spent skimming this thread. I'd post a picture of a guy wearing a tinfoil hat, but I don't want to waste another minute looking for it.

[XTR1000]

I want my 3 minutes of life back from my time spent skimming this thread.

[Maverick08]

eh doubt its rigged, but i do tend to do very well in the first few days that i deposit, then things start to go horrible wrong - probobly just variance/lack of bankroll management catching up on me

[Ovaltine88]

ipoker is full of nits in 20 NL, i switched to FTP few days ago and is up 2-3 buyins already. Could never acheive in ipoker.

[tetleyboy]

i can't see why people play anywhere else. evenings and weekends are like free money

[zgpwns]

i think ipoker is easier than FT

[zgpwns]

full tilt is full of americans and it is american folklore to play poker
while in europe poker is not played nearly to that extent

so i think playing only vs ppl that are not from the states is much easier

[Hamster]

ipoker is full of nits in 20 NL, i switched to FTP few days ago and is up 2-3 buyins already. Could never acheive in ipoker.

I play sng 10-30 buyin and I try for bonus play on iPoker sites Expekt, Cdpoker and Titan. I start playing poker on Expekt(only for funny when I win some money in sportbetting on expect - is easy transfer funds to poker room). Every time the same scenario 1-3 weeks I win as a beginner who dont know whats better:flush or straight. Expekt - deposit 200 2 weeks of playing = about 800 on account. Titan - +600, cd poker +1000. Then scenario continue : 19 of 20 sng on not paid places and uncredibly badbeats : I always lost in allins when I have 80:20,70:30 etc, mostly on river. Then I starting play on Pokerstars and after 2 years I have ROI about 10% and about 1800 sng. I for bonus come back to Cdpoker and Expekt and I see this incredible things again - when I deposit and starting play sng I am on 7 paid places from 10 sngs, when I go allin with worse hand then opponent miracle card fly on river and I win. I win a several hunreds dollars and in one point everything change - I loose every sng, my AA are beaten by KTs,88,9T etc...
Hands like that: my AsKd versus 79d
flop AhAd6D - I am ahead
turn3d - opponent is ahead
river Jd - I win.
Hand like this sometimes happen also on PS 1x or 2x in 5 sng. But on iPoker you will see hand like this five to ten times in one sng. Incredible switches on river, five players in pot every has big hand and other and other. I also play on Bodog and Ongame and I never see things like on iPoker. I saw statistic from cash players from tens thousands hands - there is big difference between expectation and real results.
Nowhere I have so strong feel that its not OK - SO I MEAN iPOKER IS RIGGED. This scenario is known from online casinos and slots - you deposit money - you have from start big break and you win some money - but good fortune quit and you loose and loose - you deposit - you win some money - but good fortune quit and you loose and loose - you deposit ... There is no place for long stories - but there are some statistics from regular cash players and some weird results from potodds calculating software ( they are using data from poker sites and compare real hands with probabilty model). I like your arguments -I win so they are good.
Yes - you are good player and many donkeys are on iPoker (or maybe you are prefered by site for their criteriums: who knows) but I believe - iPoker stinks.
Its my opinion and I leave iPoker sites every time with some profit.

[chatoman]

Nahh... no way... i built my bankroll at Titan poker 2 years ago. After that, i consistently won at CD poker and betfred.

I cant say anything about S&Go cause i dont play that, but i can tell you that is standard as any other poker site in MTT and cash games below NL100.

The only complain i might have about ipoker is that is kinda turbo cause their MTTs have 10 minutes levels instead of more convenient 15 minutes like stars, cryptologic, etc

Regards

[AKQJ]

I had won some money on Betfred and on CDPoker but this network is not one of my favourites. I noticed some things that don't happen on the other sites I played. When I win, I win continuously. Especially if I play short sessions. I've recently had a 8BB/100 winrate in 5K Fixed-Limit Holdem hands. The 5K hands were played in almost a month(ipoker is not the only network I play at). So the sessions were short. 8BB/100 is a huge winrate for Fixed Limit. I'm sure that if I've played those 5K hands in the same day I wouldn't have won so much. But, when I lose... I lose no matter what cards I have. This happens especially if I play longer sessions. If I have flush someone else has full house, if I have KK someone else has AA... And that happens in succesion. Last summer I lost in the same day 2 NL hands with a 95%-96% equity when I was all in on the flop(set vs top pair. They made a runner-runner bigger full house). What is the probability of this happen in the same day? Not to mention that in the same day I had other suck-outs and coolers like QQ vs KK, KK vs AA?

So, my question is not if ipoker is rigged or not. My question is what is the probability to lose in the same day 2 hands with almost 100% equity, what is the probability that in the same day that I lost those hands, to have other suckouts and coolers? What is the probability to win very much when I play short sessions(lets' say 5K hands in 30days), and to don't win so much when I play longer sessions(let's say 5K hands in only 6 days)? 5K hands are not the only hands I played on ipoker. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands, but I saw the same pattern. I'm not interested if you think that ipoker is rigged or not, I'm interested only in the probabilities.

[AKQJ]

Last summer I lost in the same day 2 NL hands with a 95%-96% equity What is the probability of this happen in the same day?

No one answered this question so I will answer myself.
The probability of losing 2 hands with a 95% and 96% equity is:
0.05 X 0.04 =0.002; 0.002 X 100=0.2; 100 / 0.2 =500; this means 500:1 odds. This means it will happen to lose 2 hands with a 95%-96% equity once in every 501 situations. Situations, not hands.
A situation is: Hand1=95% equity; Hand2=96% equity; I put all my money in with this equity in both hands.
This situation occurs very rarely. I don't remember another situation where I had this equity in 2 hands and I put all my money in. But in the rare cases where you have 2 hands with such a big equity and you put all your money in, in 500 cases from 501 you will win at least one of them and only in 1 case from 501 you will lose both of them.
In that day I lost almost everything, not only those 2 hands. If I remember well, I lost every coinflip, 2 hands with a 80% equity, other hands with 70% or 60% equity, plus a lot of coolers. I don't know to calculate the probability of all of these things to happen in the same day. It's too complex, and maybe impossible to calculate.
It can be 2 explications:
1. I am extremely unlucky.
2. ipoker doesn't have a RNG, ipoker has only a NG.
I don't think I am extremely unlucky because I am a winner at all the sites I have played, ipoker inclusive. I also don't believe in coincidences. I also read these 2 articles from Ed Miller's blog: http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/a...et-caught.html
http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/a...ine-poker.html
So I tend to think that the second explication is more probable than the first one.

[BennyLaRue]

[ ] I am extremely unlucky.
[ ] ipoker doesn't have a RNG, ipoker has only a NG.

[x] Variance

[soreflo]

More unlucky to ipoker rooms

[XTR1000]

AKQJ, please keep in mind, that hands in poker are stochastically independent events. The fact, that a very unlikely event occured doesn´t have any impact on the next hand.

[AKQJ]

[ ] I am extremely unlucky.
[ ] ipoker doesn't have a RNG, ipoker has only a NG.

[x] Variance

Yes, but I know persons that buy lottery tickets every week and they never win the big prize. Maybe they will never win that big prize. This doesn't mean there are unlucky, because the chances to win are very small. They aren't lucky enough to win. If they don't win is something normal. If they win they are very very lucky.
Unlucky means that an event that has very very small chances to happen(and it might NEVER happen) happens.
If you lose with AA an all in preflop, this deosn't mean you are unlucky. Is just normal variance. When you lose 20 times in a row with AA all in preflop this isn't a normal variance anymore. This means you are unlucky.

The coincidences are very big on this network. I understand, I lose 1,2,3 hands, but all the day???? Even with 96% equity?
Anyway I am not going to play anymore on this network. After that day I withdrew all my money from CDPoker and I e-mailed the support to close my account. Recently I had at Betfred a big downswing(after 5K hands with 8BB/100 winrate) playing FL Holdem and I also withdrewed all my money. I played with donks the majority of time and donks should mean a small variance. I didn't make many mistakes and I consider that I have a significant edge over those donks. A significant edge also means a small variance. I really don't care if it's random or not. I will not play anymore on ipoker. I am thinking to play only on Stars and on Fulltilt. These sites are the biggest sites and the most serious sites. If Stars and Fulltilt are rigged then every site is rigged.

AKQJ, please keep in mind, that hands in poker are stochastically independent events. The fact, that a very unlikely event occured doesn´t have any impact on the next hand.

Yes, I know this from roulette. If the last 10 spins were red this doesn't mean that the next spin has a bigger chance to be black. The chances are equal because the events are independent.
11 reds in a row was an unlikely event only before the first spin.
What happened to me in that day doesn't contradict the theory of independent events. At the start of that day it was very improbable to lose so many hands.

Many poker players refuse to believe that the sites might be rigged, because they don't want this and can't accept this. Christians do the same thing with God. Even if there are big contradictions between science and religion they still believe that God exists because they can't accept that God might not exist and they don't want that.

[BennyLaRue]

I'm not convinced you understand variance then, because there is no luck in poker, only the negative side of variance. Play a nearly infinite amount of hands and there will be multiple instances of AA losing 20 consecutive times. These aren't "unlucky" streaks, they're explained by math. Further on the topic, playing with poor players often means GREATER variance, because you're likely to be playing bigger pots as players go too far with them and draw out on you. Over time, continually pressing small edges gives you an advantage, but the swings will naturally be large. 5000 hands is an absolutely insignificant amount. To experience a downswing after a short time with an 8BB/100 win rate is completely normal. Over my last 5000 FL hands I have a 15BB/100 win rate. Is that my true win rate? Of course not. Over other 5000 hand stretches, I have had a -15BB/100 "win" rate. Is that my true win rate? Of course not. Both streaks, and streaks of all sizes, are explained by normal variance.

Lastly, if you truly are a winner on all sites, including iPoker, then I don't see the problem. Variance will bite you at specific points throughout your play but in your case, your positive sessions must outweigh the negative ones. How is there evidence that a site is rigged or using an improbable RNG if you're winning there?

There's more good information you may be interested in here:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ed-t53637.html

[AKQJ]

Further on the topic, playing with poor players often means GREATER variance, because you're likely to be playing bigger pots as players go too far with them and draw out on you.

Why then the high stakes games where there are very few fish have very big swings compared to micro stakes? Poor players mean bigger win rate and smaller variance. A player with 4BB/100 will have a smaller variance than a player with 1BB/100. A 10BB/100 winner will have a very small variance. At play money games I think every hour will be a winning hour for a decent player.

Lastly, if you truly are a winner on all sites, including iPoker, then I don't see the problem. Variance will bite you at specific points throughout your play but in your case, your positive sessions must outweigh the negative ones. How is there evidence that a site is rigged or using an improbable RNG if you're winning there?

Because I feel that my win rate should have been bigger. And when I start to lose at ipoker I must stop playing that day, even if I'm not tilted. I don't want to stop to play if I can make good decisions. That day was the worst day that I have, but not the only one. When I start losing at ipoker I lose continuously. This didn't happen to me at Fulltilt or at Ongame network. And this is not the only thing. A lot of rake-generator hands I see every day with a frequency bigger than on other sites. A winning player will still be a winning player even if the site is rigged. Sometimes I'm the one who wins lots of hands at ipoker. I suggest to read Ed Miller's articles. He explains very well some things. If you don't believe me, maybe you will believe him.

"Play a nearly infinite amount of hands and there will be multiple instances of AA losing 20 consecutive times."
I think my life is too short for this. I don't think I will meet a situation where I will lose with AA 20 times in a row. AA against KK is 82/18. Let's say it's 80/20 to make the calculation simpler. The odds of losing with AA against a strong hand like KK or QQ 20 times in a row are 95367431640625:1. 9536...... situations where I am all in 20 times against a weaker pocket pair, not 9536..... hands.
If humans were undying, every human will have died because of car accidents. This doesn't happen because the life is too short. If it happens then you were unlucky.

[BennyLaRue]

I suggest to read Ed Miller's articles. He explains very well some things. If you don't believe me, maybe you will believe him.

I'm not even going to get into that argument because Miller isn't saying "OMG, IT'S RIGGED", he's saying it COULD be rigged and no one disagrees with that. My point is simply that what you've experienced is expained perfectly well simply by variance. It's very thin evidence to hold up while purporting iPoker is rigged.

[XTR1000]

Because I feel that my win rate should have been bigger

Yea, go ahead and email iPoker that their site must be rigged, cuz you feel like you should have won more. Also, I can prove a 50k hands run at ongame 16 buy ins below all in ev according to HEM. Also, do you have an idea, how much ressouces it will take to actively rig a game for specific players? Have you considered your oh-so-awesome-5k-hands-run being positive variance/ie you being the lucker? Go ahead and read this. Then post pics of some hot chicks, cuz arguing with you tilts me badly.

[AKQJ]

Miller isn't saying "OMG, IT'S RIGGED", he's saying it COULD be rigged and no one disagrees with that.

No one? I see 99% of all poker forum posters say that 100% the poker sites aren't rigged because they have no reason to do this, the risk is too big,...
I am not sure that it's not variance, but if it's variance I have only one thing to say: this variance sucks hard and so does this game.

[AKQJ]

Because I feel that my win rate should have been bigger

Yea, go ahead and email iPoker that their site must be rigged, cuz you feel like you should have won more. Also, I can prove a 50k hands run at ongame 16 buy ins below all in ev according to HEM. Also, do you have an idea, how much ressouces it will take to actively rig a game for specific players? Have you considered your oh-so-awesome-5k-hands-run being positive variance/ie you being the lucker? Go ahead and read this. Then post pics of some hot chicks, cuz arguing with you tilts me badly.

1.The game isn't rig for specific players, is rigged for all.
2. I am thinking seriously to e-mail Betfred and to ask them to close my account. I did this thing at CD.
3. I am 99% sure ipoker is rigged. No one can change my opinion. I don't believe in coincidences.
4. If I were a poker company owner and if I could rig the game, knowing that it's impossible to get caught, and knowing that 99% of players think the games are fair, I would have rigged it.
5. I have more confidence in Ed Miller than in all the bigot posters that say the card rooms can't be rigged.


This thread is closed for me. Don't try to convince me that ipoker isn't rigged. I was 90% sure it is before I read Ed Miller's articles but now I am 99% sure. Ed Miller wouldn't have written that article if he would have thought that the games are fair.

[BennyLaRue]

Miller isn't saying "OMG, IT'S RIGGED", he's saying it COULD be rigged and no one disagrees with that.

No one? I see 99% of all poker forum posters say that 100% the poker sites aren't rigged because they have no reason to do this, the risk is too big,...

Yeah, no one. There's a tremendous difference between saying it's technically possible to rig the software and saying it is actively being rigged. No one will disagree with the former. You have poor evidence for the latter.

However, since you're convinced it is rigged, I suggest giving up online poker. Seriously, why inflict that pain of winning at a good rate if you're unhappy with it?

Also...bigot? Are you using that word correctly?

[AKQJ]

Also...bigot? Are you using that word correctly?

Not sure, I'm not a English speaker and I use a dictionary. I wanted to say "someone who is 100% convinced that something is true". I'm not 100% convinced that sites are rigged but a lot of players are 100% convinced that are not.
Even If I know for sure that it's rigged, I will not give up online poker ever cause I don't play exclusively for money. I also play for fun and for competition.
Once again, thread closed for me. I don't care anymore about ipoker and I will not play there anymore.

[BennyLaRue]

I wanted to say "someone who is 100% convinced that something is true".

Ah. I think you mean "zealot".

[Ash256]

AKQJ, if you believe iPoker is rigged, here's the procedure:-

1) E-mail iPoker - wait for their canned lol response
2) Go to somewhere like stars
3) Run bad then throw your toys out of the pram saying all of online poker is rigged
4) Run bad at live poker and claim live poker is also rigged
5) Cry



UNLESS:-

You can answer this question:-

"A lottery draws 4 balls from a possible 50, numbered 1-50. One week, the numbers come 3, 14, 35, 42 and no-one bats an eyelid. The next week, the numbers come out 23, 24, 25, 26 and everyone claims the lottery is rigged even though the odds of each week's sequence are exactly the same.

Why are people so fucking stupid?"

[XTR1000]

Im actually very interested in how a zero sum game is rigged for everyone?!

[AKQJ]

AKQJ, if you believe iPoker is rigged, here's the procedure:-

1) E-mail iPoker - wait for their canned lol response
2) Go to somewhere like stars
3) Run bad then throw your toys out of the pram saying all of online poker is rigged
4) Run bad at live poker and claim live poker is also rigged
5) Cry





UNLESS:-

You can answer this question:-

"A lottery draws 4 balls from a possible 50, numbered 1-50. One week, the numbers come 3, 14, 35, 42 and no-one bats an eyelid. The next week, the numbers come out 23, 24, 25, 26 and everyone claims the lottery is rigged even though the odds of each week's sequence are exactly the same.

Why are people so fucking stupid?"

This thread is closed for me. Don't try to convince me that ipoker isn't rigged. I was 90% sure it is before I read Ed Miller's articles but now I am 99% sure. Ed Miller wouldn't have written that article if he would have thought that the games are fair.

This!

Im actually very interested in how a zero sum game is rigged for everyone?!

An example from Ed Miller's article: "The cardroom could skew all-in confrontations to slightly boost the chances that the underdog hand wins. For instance, once two players are all-in, it could quickly calculate the equities of each hand and then deal cards such that the underdog hand consistently wins slightly more often than it “should”. Perhaps it could turn all 80-20 confrontations into 78-22 affairs. I mention this change first because it’s a specific one I’ve seen posited before."
Sometimes I'm the underdog and instead of winning only 20% I win 22%. So I am advantaged. Sometimes I'm the favourite and instead of winning 80% I win only 78%. In this case my opponent is advantaged.
"The theoretically dishonest cardroom cares about altering the game to make more profit, not necessarily helping one set of players against another."
Also don't forget about rake-generator hands. Sets, flushes, etc. with a frequency bigger than normal. Sometimes I am the one who is advantaged, sometimes my opponent is advantaged. So the game is rigged for everyone.

Another quote from Ed Miller's article:
"There’s two things I’m pretty sure about:

(1). Manipulating the deal in software is a nearly trivial task.
(2). Poker rooms have both a short and long term financial incentive to tweak the outcomes of hands."
"I don’t think it’s necessarily true that it’s too risky. If the tweaks were subtle enough, and possibly if they were varied from time to time, it could be very difficult to detect them to any reasonable level of confidence just by analyzing collected hand histories. It’s entirely possible they could do it for years and years and never really risk getting caught."(3)

2 no-brainer conclusions from Ed Miller's articles:
A.If (1) is true, (2) is true, (3) is true (in Ed Miller's opinion they are true) and the card room owner is an idiot then the card rooms are not rigged.
B.If (1),(2),(3) are true and the card room owner is not an idiot then the card rooms are rigged.
I don't think the card room owners are so idiot to don't rig the game if (1),(2) and (3) are true. If you don't think they are true reply to Ed Miller, not to me, because Ed Miller was the author of the articles.

"I do know that manipulating the deal is relatively easy to do, and I also know that it quite possibly could be profitable to cardrooms to do it. Do I trust them not to try? Frankly, I don’t."- It's Ed Miller, not me. Maybe you should read his articles, because I don't think you have read them.

Miller isn't saying "OMG, IT'S RIGGED", he's saying it COULD be rigged and no one disagrees with that.

Read with more attention his articles. He doesn't say it directly because he doesn't have proofs. But he sais that (1),(2) and (3) are true. If (1),(2) and (3) are true the card room owners must be too stupid to don't rig the games.

[Ash256]

If you ridiculous people spent half the time you did looking for anecdotal and hypothetical evidence to support your idiotic statements actually studying poker, you'd actually make money and suck less!

[Luco]

This thread made me facepalm. But somehow that wasn't good enough. So I started smashing my face against a brick wall. That felt better, but there's blood trickling into my eye now so I'll make this quick:

I'm on iPoker. I'm WINNING on iPoker. I most certainly did NOT start out on a hot streak. I LOST $15 in my first two weeks on iPoker, but I breathed in, came to FTR, bought some poker books and came back stronger. The better I play, the more I win. Try it.

I see absolutely no reason to think that iPoker is favouring the underdog. Whenever I have a losing session, 10 times out of 10 I pick up something in my session review that I could have done better. I don't complain when my aces get cracked any more than I complain when I get KK twice in a row. Both variance. VARIANCE.

Fuck it, this thread is tilting the shit out of me. I hope you go broke.