my 'baby' strikes again

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[SteveO]

DISCLAIMER:

To anyone reading the above history, please do not try this at home... Unless you have mony you are in a hurry to lose or you really like putting other people on tilt.

Rip that is an awful play on your part but even way worse on his. He shoud have put you AI on the Flop and know enough to fold on the river.

[jmrogers7]

Rippy - You have obviously been successful using your strategy. But I have to agree with SteveO on this one. Why you were even in this hand in the first place is beyond me. I would not be calling 200 preflop on the BB with 74s. Bad play IMHO.

Now, once you were in the hand, I could see betting the semi-bluff post-flop and taking a stab right there, and going all-in after hitting your flush. It worked out for you but I still say that wasn't a good call preflop.

I am curious. You seem successful playing these rag hands, but how successful are you actually? How often are you catching hands with these rags and winning them? Conversely, how often is it backfiring?

[DrNoChance]

I've got no problem with the times Rippy raises with rags pre-flop. At least then there's folding equity. I'm having a hard time, however, coming up with any reasonable reason for calling a decent pre-flop raise with that garbage.

His love affair with rags went a little too far on this hand, IMO.

There's still wisdom to be found in some of his pre-flop raises he's done with rags though.

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[SteveO]

Rip, you called a 5xBB raise out of position. Sure it is a reasonable play at later stages when you have to aggressively defend your blinds. It is just a dumb luck play in the history posted. Your opponnent horribly misplayed the flop and river.

As for Farha and Negreanu, they were out of the "big one" in short order on day one exactly because they were getting too cute.

[mike4066]

Wow, looks like someone got under rippys skin
anyways.

Rippy has a very strong post flop game. If you can play great post flop then you can look at more flops.

Most people at the table won't be able to tell which way he's coming from. They will get frusterated and they'll try to call him down with second pair. They don't have the luxery we do, he's not posting hand histories for them.

It's his style and it works very well for him.

I'm glad he's posting these types of plays. It gives us a chance to see a different side of holdem. Its not the 22% flops seen game most of us play.

Raise those waffles Ripptyde.

[jmrogers7]

Rippy - You have obviously been successful using your strategy. But I have to agree with SteveO on this one. Why you were even in this hand in the first place is beyond me. I would not be calling 200 preflop on the BB with 74s. Bad play IMHO.

JM have you ever seen Daniel Negreanu or Sam Farha play ?? They are not players who fold dozens upon dozens of hands in a row. These are players who play outside the box and often call large bets with suited rags.

You seem insistent upon critisizing my style of play for whatever reason. Maybe because the pocket pairs you patiently camp on for 2 or 3 orbits get cracked more often than not.

Look again at the hand...do you see any others in the hand besides the raiser ? Look at my stack. It was a hair more than 10 percent of my entire stack in a turbo with blinds soon increasing to call the pre flop bet.

Jesus man...step outside the box you'll enjoy the game a hell of a lot more. Also you might want to flip on the TV and see what kinds of hands the professionals are calling bets with pre flop evev in major events.

Its not all about just getting A/A and throwing down the gauntlet on a sure thing. If this is the way you play I'd love to get you on my table.

Easy big fella. This is the first time I've ever criticized your play ( I may have mentioned it one other time but it was not criticism) so for you to say that I am "insistent" is a little out of line. Also, is there any reason that you didn't call out SteveO and DrNoChance because they criticized your play on this hand just as I did?

That being said, I have no problem with raising rags from time to time. You have no idea how I play or how much I enjoy the game so relax on those coments as well. Yes, I tend to play more "by the book" than you do but it certainly doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game. In fact, I LOVE this game with a passion. So, don't go making generalizations when you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to my style of play and my enjoyment of the game.

I play my fair share of rags. Most likely not as often as you do. But I certainly don't make it the basis of my play. Nor would I ever. It is more an "element".

As for the "professionals" calling bets with hands like that, they have the bankroll to withstand those types of hands when they lose. I do not. People like Farha, Negreanu and Hanson can afford to take more risks with hands like those.

I use aggressive tactics to compliment my game, not to define it.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to offend you and I apologize if I did. We are obviously both doing well with our respective styles. It appears that we are going to have to just agree to disagree.

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[jmrogers7]

sorry JM I just woke up and I'm grumpy and stressed out

It's alright, man. If we all didn't have different viewpoints and playing styles then no one would ever make any money, right?

Note to Rippy: Get some coffee in ya before you start posting to FTR!

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[jmrogers7]

No problem. Good luck with the new job. Hope things work out with your dog. Maybe she just needs some adjustment time to the new place.

[mike4066]

I have a solution to the problem

<--------- Stare here..

I'm sorry what were we talking about?

[hig13]

Isn't it just great that we are not playing Candy Land where everyone has the strategy, draw cards and move spaces.

I do like the question, "are you making consistent money with your strategy?"

My main goal is to have fun, but I've notice that it's difficult for me to have fun when my bankroll keeps disappearing.

[michael1123]

Rip that is an awful play on your part but even way worse on his. He shoud have put you AI on the Flop and know enough to fold on the river.

My thoughts exactly. Talk about an obvious big raise on the flop. But it probably wouldn't have mattered, as I doubt Ripp would lay down a pair and a flush draw. Still, horrible post flop play on the part of the other player.

[DrNoChance]

There's no doubt that if your post flop play is good, you can get away with some calls with weaker hands. If your opponent doesn't have a pocket pair, then almost 2/3 of the time he has nothing post-flop. If he does have a pocket pair, there's a chance that an overcard might flop that will make him timid. To succeed with a high % flops seen strategy, you need strong, agressive post-flop play. We all know Rippy fits the bill there

Having said that though, is it wise to call a very solid pre-flop raise coming from a non-steal position (not the CO/BO/SB) for about a tenth of your stack? The implied odds aren't really there for 10% of your stack, and there is significant risk that he may have a hand that can't be easily bullied post-flop (being out of position to top it all off).

You're a great player Rip, and I wish you luck on the new job. I've tried to take many aspects of your game and adapt it to my own, and it's made me a better player. That being said, I sometimes worry that despite your post-flop abilities you might be better off folding a few of those rags

Sorry about your dog

[fishstick]

rippy - check around for doggie day care.

i'm serious, we have it where i live. i see the vans driving around in the morning picking up the dogs.

and don't pick on jm - he's got enough to worry about with me always on his case! :P

[jmrogers7]

You ain't kiddin'!

[Toasty]

I don't know maybe I'm seeing value in any hand but I don't mind this play.

It's a loose call pre-flop but if you know when you can steal if someone misses the flop it's not to bad.

For instance AK misses the flop 67% of the time, if Ripper has noticed this player is weak tight there's a good chance he can take it down without a hand. Also the raise has come from the CO and could be a semi bluff raise with a marginal hand.

Once Ripp hit the flush (which is probably what he was looking for) he gets almost all of the other dude's stack.

The flop onwards we all agree he had the right price and the other player messed it up.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Which of the following does not belong with the others?

A)Farha
B)Negreanu
C)Ripptyde
D)Hansen

I mean come on man... I respect the majority of what you contribute to this board, but to compare your play to these guys is taking it too far. Negreanu and Farha do play a lot of hands because they have excellent post flop play. A major factor in why there post flop play is so great is because they are masters at reading people. How does one get a great read on someone online? Sure you can get a decent idea by the way they bet and how they played previous hands, but if you're going to call significant raises with rags on a consistent basis you better be able to read a person THAT hand. You simply can't do that online.

You seem to overly enjoy making posts about how you took someone out with rags. That's great, but you never seem to post when you bust out playing the same hands. With as many times as you have posted winning with such hands, I'm sure there are many times more you have lost with them.

I think people are criticizing your play because most solid players wouldn't make the same move. Of course you can argue it either way though. You won the hand so obviously it was a good strategy that time. The majority of the time you won't win with 74s against AKo, and I think that is what dissentors are basing their arguement on.

Also you might want to flip on the TV and see what kinds of hands the professionals are calling bets with pre flop evev in major events.

Yes, they are playing many more hands. They are playing these hands the majority of the time when the game is short handed (yours was not), they have position (you did not) and the game is also live so they can read people (you could not). You shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself like that anyways. Do what works for you and from what you post it seems like you do fairly well. But if we're going to play this game:

Its not all about just getting A/A and throwing down the gauntlet on a sure thing. If this is the way you play I'd love to get you on my table.

I'll say that I would love for you to be at my table, and I politely extend a challenge to you. I bet that I will finish higher than you in the upcoming FTR season standings playing my generally tight game against the way you play. If you have enough confidence in your style of play then we can discuss the details further.[/b]

[Toasty]

Which of the following does not belong with the others?

A)Farha
B)Negreanu
C)Ripptyde
D)Hansen
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Is it Ripptyde because the others are real names and not there internet aliases ?

[pokerfanatic]

Which of the following does not belong with the others?

A)Farha
B)Negreanu
C)Ripptyde
D)Hansen

I mean come on man... I respect the majority of what you contribute to this board, but to compare your play to these guys is taking it too far. Negreanu and Farha do play a lot of hands because they have excellent post flop play.

I’m might be newer to this board but I can tell by even this hand and what people say that he is a strong player all around. I'm sorry if I had the muster to call the preflop raise like that and caught a pair and flush draw I would see another card too, I personally think the preflop idea wasn't all strong, but I have done the same thing before. When the flop came down I think rip just straight out played the guy with AK in his hand. I'm not going to say this is right and that was wrong. Everyone has there own styles and what works for them, online you can get tells. I think the post flop play because it was the AK hand that had the horrible post flop play.

[heatman]

I have to say I was starting to get a little disgusted at all of the junk hands Rippy posts all of the time. I can't recall him ever singling out a solid hand as an example, although there are probably some in here somewhere if I took the time to look. The volume of posts about 74o really give the impression that he's a loose cannon and I'll bet most solid players on this site believe they can beat him going away.

I changed my perspective a few weeks ago when I took the time to look Rippy up on Pokerstars a couple of times. What I saw changed my mind drastically. I saw him mix in a good dose of aggression with some pretty solid hand selection most of the time. I also saw him buy a couple of pretty nice pots and I was thinking to myself, "74o strikes again", but I couldn't be sure!

The few hands he had to show while I was watching were solid starting hands. And he didn't play every hand like I had the impression he was doing.

I'm betting he probably wins the majority of these when his opponents fold, runs into a buzzsaw a minority of the time, and sucks out like he did in the above a slim percentage of the time. Those are fun to post, so we see alot of them.

I know from watching a few times that he's a damn good player. Don't underestimate him, and if you want to call with mediocre hands to catch him on 74o, don't be surprised if he's got something a lot better. It makes him hard to handle and if it puts you on tilt so much the better for him. Sure, he might get caught and lose his stack from time to time, but he seems to pick his spots very well - online or not.

Given all that, the call above seems out of character from what I've seen in the past. I would have expected a fold or heavy re-raise, position or not. Rippy, I hope you get your dog taken care of, because you're better than that.