You ever try to suck em in slow with Aces and Cowboys

[BoondockSaint]

I never slowplay either Kings or Aces but check out this. Just watch the 3 hands on like blitz speed or something. 1st one turned out ok. But anyway, on the last 2 I didnt really think I'd get any callers but I know slowplaying Aces or Kings is like an unforgivable sin or something lol. Anyway do you ever find yourself in this spot. Will you ever go in like $1.50 or $2 to try to kind of sucker in at least 1 person and then just take your chances if you get multiple callers and no reraisers. I was just curious cause I seem to never even get to play my AA KK 40% of the time or more. Believe it or not I got Rockets on my first hand at this table and then when I got into the small blind next time around I got dealt it again. I got the KK about 30 hands after that. Never gotten monsters that close together before.

***** Hand History for Game 479314124 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Thu Mar 25 21:09:43 EST 2004
Table Blowing in the wind (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: AmarilloPhat ( $25)
Seat 2: Me ( $25)
Seat 3: gergen2001 ( $25)
Seat 4: s2kruzin ( $26.77)
Seat 5: parteesidney ( $29.05)
Seat 6: Drumond ( $21.50)
Seat 7: marixdc ( $26)
Seat 9: crystallball ( $22.60)
Seat 10: chambesm ( $16.78)
chambesm posts small blind (0.25)
AmarilloPhat is sitting out.
Me posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ Ac, Ah ]
s2kruzin folds.
parteesidney calls (0.50)
Drumond folds.
marixdc folds.
crystallball calls (0.50)
chambesm raises (0.75) to 1
Me raises (4.50) to 5
parteesidney folds.
crystallball folds.
chambesm calls (4)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8s, Td, 2c ]
chambesm bets (6)
Me raises (20) to 20
Me is all-In.
chambesm calls (5.78)
chambesm is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
Creating Main Pot with $32.86 with chambesm
Creating Side Pot 1 with $8.22 with Me
** Summary **
Main Pot: $32.86 | Side Pot 1: $8.22 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ 8s Td 2c 6h Qh ]
AmarilloPhat balance $25, sits out
Me balance $41.08, bet $25, collected $41.08, net +$16.08 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Qh,Td,8s ]
gergen2001 balance $25, sits out
s2kruzin balance $26.77, didn't bet (folded)
parteesidney balance $28.55, lost $0.50 (folded)
Drumond balance $21.50, didn't bet (folded)
marixdc balance $26, didn't bet (folded)
Beercat88 balance $25, sits out
crystallball balance $22.10, lost $0.50 (folded)
chambesm balance $0, lost $16.78 [ Th As ] [ a pair of tens -- As,Qh,Th,Td,8s ]

***** Hand History for Game 479343379 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Thu Mar 25 21:21:30 EST 2004
Table Blowing in the wind (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AmarilloPhat ( $24.25)
Seat 2: Me ( $40.08)
Seat 3: gergen2001 ( $21.50)
Seat 4: cpzimmer ( $28.25)
Seat 6: Drumond ( $36.90)
Seat 7: marixdc ( $52.40)
Seat 8: Beercat88 ( $26.55)
Seat 9: crystallball ( $10)
Seat 10: steve00013 ( $23.75)
Me posts small blind (0.25)
gergen2001 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ Ad, Ah ]
cpzimmer calls (0.50)
Drumond calls (0.50)
marixdc calls (0.50)
Beercat88 folds.
crystallball folds.
steve00013 folds.
AmarilloPhat folds.
Me raises (2.75) to 3
gergen2001 folds.
cpzimmer folds.
Drumond folds.
marixdc folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5 | Rake: $0
AmarilloPhat balance $24.25, didn't bet (folded)
Me balance $42.08, bet $3, collected $5, net +$2
gergen2001 balance $21, lost $0.50 (folded)
cpzimmer balance $27.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Drumond balance $36.40, lost $0.50 (folded)
marixdc balance $51.90, lost $0.50 (folded)
Beercat88 balance $26.55, didn't bet (folded)
crystallball balance $10, didn't bet (folded)
steve00013 balance $23.75, didn't bet (folded)


***** Hand History for Game 479419952 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Thu Mar 25 21:52:16 EST 2004
Table Blowing in the wind (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: AmarilloPhat ( $18.50)
Seat 2: Me ( $43.83)
Seat 3: gergen2001 ( $32.60)
Seat 4: cpzimmer ( $42.50)
Seat 5: jcn47 ( $25)
Seat 6: Drumond ( $29.75)
Seat 7: mediumspw ( $22.25)
Seat 8: Beercat88 ( $39.85)
Seat 9: kathy10 ( $27.70)
Seat 10: steve00013 ( $33.40)
mediumspw posts small blind (0.25)
Beercat88 posts big blind (0.50)
jcn47 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ Kc, Kd ]
kathy10 calls (0.50)
steve00013 calls (0.50)
AmarilloPhat folds.
Me raises (5) to 5
gergen2001 folds.
cpzimmer folds.
jcn47 folds.
Drumond folds.
mediumspw folds.
Beercat88 folds.
kathy10 folds.
steve00013 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $7.25 | Rake: $0
AmarilloPhat balance $18.50, didn't bet (folded)
Me balance $46.08, bet $5, collected $7.25, net +$2.25
gergen2001 balance $32.60, didn't bet (folded)
cpzimmer balance $42.50, didn't bet (folded)
jcn47 balance $24.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
Drumond balance $29.75, didn't bet (folded)
mediumspw balance $22, lost $0.25 (folded)
Beercat88 balance $39.35, lost $0.50 (folded)
kathy10 balance $27.20, lost $0.50 (folded)
steve00013 balance $32.90, lost $0.50 (folded)

[Fnord]

$5 pre-flop is a bit much. $3-$4 would have protected you enough from set and been more likely to draw a call.

Otherwise well played. It's always tough when you got a strong position and someone doesn't want to play. But just look at the hand where I slow-played a set of aces and lost to the scrubby straight and remind yourself that you're far better off winning $2 than losing $25.

One trick that works sometimes on a tight table is to limp in with AA or KK from UTG or UTG+1 or 2. Best done if the pre-flop game is a little aggressive, particularly if players like raising to $1 on random hands. Then re-raise for a better chance of a call or a more dead limping money. If you don't get raised, you're out of position with a potential trap hand. If you don't hit your set, play it carefully and be ready to make a laydown. However, I think limping in from UTG with Aces or Kings has better value than just stealing 75c of blinds if you're unlikely to get a call.

[toekneechin]

The best way to get action for your AA or KK is to have a loose table image. Otherwise, if you only raise big when you have a group 1 hand, no ones going to call you (unless they have AA or KK too). What I like to do is to always raise or fold in late position (no calling) and especially try to steal the blinds from the button if given the chance. If I'm on a tight table, I will even go as far as going all in preflop on the button if there's only one or two limpers. People will get upset and start calling your raises. Great way to double or even triple up as everyone wants to be the one to 'teach' you a lesson when you finally hit your AA. Of course, you're going to have a greater variance with this way of playing than playing tight but so far it's been very profitable for me.

[BoondockSaint]

Ok tonight I just went in 3 and got 2 callers and believe it or not flopped trip aces. My question is was I too aggressive after the 5 dollar bet. In contemplating this move now I see it as kind of dumb since I don't think this guy would of gone in 3 bucks with KT. What I was sort of worried about was flush draw but 2 high flush cards were already out so I now don't really know what he had. If he had trips he would of called I think. but I over did it for the flush draw thing but I wasn't really thinking about it at the time. He had shown strength so fast I assummed he would call I guess and I wasn't thinking of getting his money slow. Well how would u guys have played it. Suck it out slow or reraise or like I did?

Thanks


***** Hand History for Game 482026586 *****
Scott71 has left the table.
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Mar 26 23:49:06 EST 2004
Table Table 11402 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: skyhawk56 ( $111.85)
Seat 2: The_Bulb ( $83.45)
Seat 5: furni ( $79.80)
Seat 6: me ( $38.55)
Seat 7: TKMAC ( $42.15)
Seat 8: barney13 ( $40.20)
Seat 9: Clc1708 ( $23.50)
Seat 10: blonger ( $42.20)
barney13 posts small blind (0.25)
Clc1708 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to me [ As, Ac ]
The_Bulb: nh
blonger folds.
skyhawk56 folds.
The_Bulb calls (0.50)
furni calls (0.50)
blonger: ty
me raises (3) to 3
TKMAC folds.
barney13 folds.
Clc1708 folds.
The_Bulb calls (2.50)
furni calls (2.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, Jc, Ad ]
The_Bulb bets (5)
furni folds.
me raises (35.55) to 35.55
me is all-In.
The_Bulb folds.
Creating Main Pot with $49.35 with me
** Summary **
Main Pot: $49.35 | Rake: $0.95
Board: [ Qd Jc Ad ]
skyhawk56 balance $111.85, didn't bet (folded)
The_Bulb balance $75.45, lost $8 (folded)
furni balance $76.80, lost $3 (folded)
me balance $49.35, bet $38.55, collected $49.35, net +$10.80
TKMAC balance $42.15, didn't bet (folded)
barney13 balance $39.95, lost $0.25 (folded)
Clc1708 balance $23, lost $0.50 (folded)
blonger balance $42.20, didn't bet (folded)


Funny thing is I got this dudes money later but a lot more dangerously. Check this out. Was this incredibly stupid - I was thinking so but I put calling at less than 10% - and Fnord its so funny I was thinking of you when I paid a quarter for this. I folded almost all my small blinds tonight though so u would be proud with my progess. (At least I like to think so) This was suited with Q high so I figured I'd pay the quarter and hope for a high flush with K A in the commnunity. I guess you may be disappointed with this reckless play but how exactly would you of played this after the flop? Thanks

***** Hand History for Game 482108769 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sat Mar 27 00:21:54 EST 2004
Table Table 11402 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: paulee420 ( $16.25)
Seat 2: The_Bulb ( $43.25)
Seat 3: TheHoser ( $13.70)
Seat 4: hawken11 ( $5.83)
Seat 5: furni ( $63.65)
Seat 6: me ( $43.10)
Seat 8: Sandy700 ( $24.80)
Seat 9: Clc1708 ( $18.15)
Seat 10: blonger ( $104.75)
me posts small blind (0.25)
Sandy700 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to me [ Qd, 4d ]
Clc1708 calls (0.50)
blonger folds.
paulee420 calls (0.50)
The_Bulb calls (0.50)
TheHoser folds.
hawken11 folds.
furni folds.
me calls (0.25)
Sandy700 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 3c, Qs ]
me bets (1)
Sandy700 folds.
Clc1708 calls (1)
paulee420 calls (1)
The_Bulb raises (2) to 2
me raises (39) to 40
Clc1708 folds.
paulee420 folds.
The_Bulb calls (38)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
me checks.
The_Bulb checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
me checks.
The_Bulb bets (0.50)
me calls (0.50)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $82.50 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 4h 3c Qs Ah Th ]
paulee420 balance $14.75, lost $1.50 (folded)
The_Bulb balance $2.25, lost $41 [ Jh Qc ] [ a pair of queens -- Ah,Qc,Qs,Jh,Th ]
TheHoser balance $13.70, didn't bet (folded)
hawken11 balance $5.83, didn't bet (folded)
furni balance $63.65, didn't bet (folded)
me balance $84.60, bet $41, collected $82.50, net +$41.50 [ Qd 4d ] [ two pairs, queens and fours -- Ah,Qd,Qs,4d,4h ]
wolkster balance $25, sits out
Sandy700 balance $24.30, lost $0.50 (folded)
Clc1708 balance $16.65, lost $1.50 (folded)
blonger balance $104.75, didn't bet (folded)


I think he may of called because what happened in the first hand when I actually did have trip aces - he may of thought I just did that bluffin or something to get his 5 bucks. Who knows. But this same guy between those 2 hands did this and I folded but don't know if I should of. Check this out and tell me if I was stupid.

***** Hand History for Game 482084187 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sat Mar 27 00:11:47 EST 2004
Table Table 11402 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: skyhawk56 ( $114.70)
Seat 2: The_Bulb ( $36.15)
Seat 3: TheHoser ( $15.45)
Seat 4: hawken11 ( $5)
Seat 5: furni ( $70.30)
Seat 6: me ( $45.35)
Seat 7: TKMAC ( $59.90)
Seat 9: Clc1708 ( $21.75)
Seat 10: blonger ( $92.50)
TheHoser posts small blind (0.25)
hawken11 is sitting out.
furni posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to me [ Jh, As ]
me calls (0.50)
TKMAC calls (0.50)
Clc1708 calls (0.50)
blonger folds.
skyhawk56 folds.
The_Bulb calls (0.50)
TheHoser folds.
furni checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, Ac, 7s ]
furni checks.
me checks.
TKMAC bets (0.50)
Clc1708 calls (0.50)
The_Bulb calls (0.50)
furni calls (0.50)
me calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
furni bets (3)
me folds.
TKMAC folds.
Clc1708 folds.
The_Bulb folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $8 | Rake: $0.25
Board: [ 3h Ac 7s 5h ]
skyhawk56 balance $114.70, didn't bet (folded)
The_Bulb balance $35.15, lost $1 (folded)
TheHoser balance $15.20, lost $0.25 (folded)
hawken11 balance $5, sits out
furni balance $74.30, bet $4, collected $8, net +$4
me balance $44.35, lost $1 (folded)
TKMAC balance $58.90, lost $1 (folded)
Sandy700 balance $25, sits out
Clc1708 balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
blonger balance $92.50, didn't bet (folded)

[Fnord]

482026586 - Raising to 10 or 15 would have been more callable. But I understand that board was a little scary. Still with a set you have outs against a straight.

482108769 - Qx suited isn't a horrible hand to complete your SB with. I tend to complete with hands that can flop well enough that I can comfortably re-raise, check-raise or fold.

482084187 - AJo is a tough call under the gun. Almost a trap hand but plays ok in an unraised pot. I think your biggest mistake wasn't raising the flop. With so much weakness shown it's hard to get a read on that turn bet.

[Ragingguitarist18]

482026586 - Raising to 10 or 15 would have been more callable. But I understand that board was a little scary. Still with a set you have outs against a straight.

I agree here, that was a hell of a raise. However he did represent a strong hand with a $5 bet, raising it to 15 would have probably been the better option though.

[DrNoChance]

An example of profitable limping with KK from the front:

***** Hand History for Game 699491008 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 4346735) - Thu Jun 24 20:02:48 EDT 2004
Table Table 10869 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: jasonhross (1029)
Seat 3: DrNoChance (855)
Seat 5: kimutaku2 (1115)
Seat 6: earth101 (110)
Seat 7: Amadeus12 (1445)
Seat 8: riversidetb (745)
Seat 9: xxxxTOOLxxxx (1976)
Seat 10: dolores3452 (725)
dolores3452 posts small blind (25)
jasonhross posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DrNoChance [ Ks, Kc ]
DrNoChance calls (50)
kimutaku2 folds.
earth101 raises (110) to 110
earth101 is all-In.
Amadeus12 calls (110)
riversidetb folds.
xxxxTOOLxxxx folds.
dolores3452 calls (85)
jasonhross folds.
DrNoChance raises (805) to 855
DrNoChance is all-In.
Amadeus12 folds.
dolores3452 calls (615)
dolores3452 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, Jh, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
Creating Main Pot with $490 with earth101
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1230 with dolores3452
Creating Side Pot 2 with $130 with DrNoChance
** Summary **
Main Pot: 490 | Side Pot 1: 1230 | Side Pot 2: 130
Board: [ Js Jh 9c 5c 5s ]
jasonhross balance 979, lost 50 (folded)
DrNoChance balance 1850, bet 855, collected 1850, net +995 [ Ks Kc ] [ two pairs, kings and jacks -- Ks,Kc,Js,Jh,9c ]
kimutaku2 balance 1115, didn't bet (folded)
earth101 balance 0, lost 110 [ 7d Ah ] [ two pairs, jacks and fives -- Ah,Js,Jh,5c,5s ]
Amadeus12 balance 1335, lost 110 (folded)
riversidetb balance 745, didn't bet (folded)
xxxxTOOLxxxx balance 1976, didn't bet (folded)
dolores3452 balance 0, lost 725 [ Qs Qh ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- Qs,Qh,Js,Jh,9c ]

I was really hoping that the short stack would pick up an Ax hand and decide to push all-in with it and get callers. Of course, somebody having QQ here to call my pre-flop all-in is just icing on the cake.