That's just what a loser would say.
05-12-2020 03:43 PM
#901
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That's just what a loser would say. | |
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05-12-2020 03:55 PM
#902
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You know our deaths per capita are nearly double yours right? | |
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05-13-2020 01:37 AM
#903
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Let's just for a sec assume this goes on the way most experts assume at this point. It's not going away, the vaccine is a year away. Keeping the R0 under 1 costs ~1.6% of the GDP per month (Finland's rough estimate), and losses without lockdown measures probably still are over 1%/mo. The countries who managed this the best (smallest amount of cases) are the most vulnerable when the next wave comes (at the latest end of the year), and will need similar measures to now to keep the R0 in check. What's the world economy going to look like with most countries taking a 15-20% hit on their GDP? Most countries will see a doubling of their national debt, and looking at massive budget deficits for the coming years. Will they start cutbacks or printing money, or both? That's gonna be post-WW1 level inflation in many places. | |
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05-13-2020 07:07 AM
#904
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Thing is, the economy is going to hurt no matter what we do. The idea that we have to choose between the economy and lives is vastly oversimplistic. | |
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05-13-2020 01:33 PM
#905
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Speaking of opening the economy, I haven't listened to this yet, but I'm guessing Osty is not going to saying "Let her rip!" | |
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05-13-2020 03:54 PM
#906
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Ignoring this was obviously much worse for the economy than just dealing with it would have been. I don't think there was a single rational thought behind the strategy Trump's team was pursuing. Trump just did what has always worked for him, and will continue to work: self-aggrandize, deny reality and eventually shift blame. | |
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05-13-2020 03:58 PM
#907
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I'd like to get Wuf's perspective once he's done trying to figure out how to get the light inside the body. | |
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05-13-2020 08:09 PM
#908
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05-14-2020 03:49 PM
#909
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NHS Head of Equality, Diversity and Inclusion - £60k | |
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05-14-2020 03:51 PM
#910
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I've got an idea. They could train me in equality legislation and climate change legislation, and pay me £30k to do both jobs, and then hire two more fucking nurses with change to spare. | |
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05-14-2020 04:29 PM
#911
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Something to look forward to when this is all over - Chicken a la Chlorine. | |
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05-14-2020 04:49 PM
#912
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I don't get what the fuss is about chlorinated chicken. For a start, what do people think make swimming pools safe from all the kids' piss and snot? Secondly, nobody is going to be force fed chlorinated chicken. It's a choice. | |
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05-14-2020 04:59 PM
#913
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Part of the problem is that it encourages poor treatment of animals during farming. The other is feedlot chicken tastes like shit. | |
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05-14-2020 05:10 PM
#914
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I don't think UK producers will have to lower standards or go out of business. Well, maybe some will go bust, but they're the ones producing cheap chicken anyway, so animal welfare is still an issue there. Corn fed free range chickens will still be the go-to for the majority of people. | |
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05-15-2020 12:44 AM
#915
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It's not that there isn't room, it's that it simply costs more to raise chickens in any way other than these massive sheds. Most people don't notice enough of a difference, so most people buy the cheaper chicken. And so the companies that raise cheaper chickens can raise them even cheaper due to scale discounts, and downward goes the spiral. | |
05-15-2020 12:49 AM
#916
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Also, I'd like to point out that, sure, you probably could beat a blind taste test of free range chicken vs feedlot chicken when given a piece of roast or poached meat-- but you can't tell the difference in any chicken "product", like McNuggets, etc, and I'd bet money that you'd do no better than chance in a dish like pad thai. The reason this is important is because these buyers are heavy hitters and will shape the market. Which label you chose at the super market is of little consequence. Some of the best fried chicken spots here buy cases of feedlot chicken because otherwise their food costs would be through the roof and unsustainable for a casual eatery's menu price point. | |
05-15-2020 02:59 PM
#917
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I guess you're right. I mean I can tell the difference, but I very rarely eat processed chicken in things like nuggets. But I do realise a lot of people do. | |
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05-15-2020 06:36 PM
#918
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Sounds promising. | |
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05-16-2020 01:05 AM
#919
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Yeah, I mostly agree, but again I'd like to point out how important market dynamics are. If there's a healthy market for ethical meat, it's at scale, and so the difference in cost is truly reflective of preference, then fine. However, if unethical meat reaches such a scale that it can be on the shelf next to the ethical stuff at 1/4 the price, people are being heavily incentivized to go with feedlot chicken. And I'm not sure I believe free range chickens' quality of life is increased to a degree that's commensurate with a 300% increase in price. | |
05-16-2020 11:47 AM
#920
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"Free Range" chicken in the US is misleading, anyway. Chickens are not clever animals. The chickens are kept in nearly identical conditions to non free range chickens, but there's a chicken door that leads outside. That door is not open 24/7, so the chickens are not really "free" to go in and out whenever. This means the chickens are not remotely familiar with the outside world, and are therefore scared of it, preferring the familiarity of their "normal" conditions. | |
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05-16-2020 12:43 PM
#921
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05-16-2020 03:34 PM
#922
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Here in the UK our regulations are much tighter. In 2017, millions of eggs temporarily lost their "free range" status due to being forced inside barns as a consequence of bird flu. Although it has to be said this was because of an EU law that states hens kept inside for more than 12 weeks were ineligible. Not sure if it will change when we leave. I hope not. | |
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05-16-2020 03:40 PM
#923
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So long as ethical food isn't prohibitively expensive, it doesn't matter how cheap the alternative is. People have a choice. If you want to virtue signal about animal welfare, fair enough, it's better than most causes. But what matters to me is that people have a choice. | |
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05-16-2020 03:57 PM
#924
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I honestly have no idea how pheasants have not gone extinct. They are morons. It uses a lot of energy for them to take flight, but they're dozy as fuck. They don't get out of the road very quickly, not like crows who have a degree of road sense. It's like they don't realise a fast moving hunk of metal moving directly at them is a danger until it's about ten meters away, at which point they amble off the road and basically hope the hunk of metal somehow slows down or change direction. And they aren't quiet, either. They make a really distinctive noise that when I hear makes me salivate a little, like Pavlov's fucking dog. The only reason they still exist here is because we farm them, then release them into the woods so we can hunt them. | |
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05-16-2020 05:01 PM
#925
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I don't think I've ever had pheasant, and googled their range to see if they're even in the US. | |
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05-16-2020 05:23 PM
#926
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It's a bit like goose, but less fatty and richer. Goose is preferably to duck, which is preferable to turkey, which is preferable to chicken. All are good. | |
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05-16-2020 05:27 PM
#927
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I've eaten partridge before, too. It's a bit small, feels like I'm eating a garden bird which kinda feels savage. Then again I don't think that when I eat duck, but they taste good. Partridge is nice but not worth killing a small bird for. I think that's my list of birds that I've eaten. I reckon swan would be nice but we're not allowed to eat them, apparently they all belong to the queen. Selfish bitch. | |
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05-16-2020 05:29 PM
#928
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Oh yeah ostrich. That's pretty good, that's better than duck but not as nice as goose. | |
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05-16-2020 05:34 PM
#929
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I've never eaten bat soup or pangolin curry though. | |
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05-16-2020 07:04 PM
#930
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The only time I see duck on a menu is either at a Chinese restaurant or at a really fancy restaurant (Duck a l'orange). | |
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05-16-2020 07:23 PM
#931
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It's mostly chicken and turkey here to be fair. Duck is generally available frozen at the supermarket, goose is a rare treat, maybe Christmas, while pheasant I eat fairly often because it's not expensive and available frozen at the nice food shop in town where the posh people do their shopping. For the price of two loaves of bread, I'll get a meal and a sandwich next day. | |
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05-17-2020 12:48 PM
#932
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Yeah, I don't disagree, but I guess I'm just trying to point out that it's not a static market, and I believe enough droolers will go "10p for eggs? SOLD!" causing the ethical egg market to shrink, increasing price, downward spiral, and we end up having $1.75/dz eggs vs $7 eggs. Then there's the issue MMM brought up that I was avoiding to keep things simple: regulatory shenanigans make it very hard to trust that there's really any ethical difference between the cheap eggs and the ones that cost 4x. | |
05-17-2020 01:57 PM
#933
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It's fairly easy to buy ethical eggs in a small country like the UK. I would estimate there's at least five farms within a two mile radius where I could buy fresh farm eggs for £1 half/dozen. There's a farm shop next door, currently closed due to covid but it's on my doorstep. I don't see the price of these farm eggs increasing for any reason other than pure inflation, even if crap eggs were given away for free. The droolers are all in cities where it's a different way of life entirely. I remember once someone from Birmingham saying to me they would rather buy Tesco Value eggs than farm eggs because the Tesco ones have the "kite" stamped on them, which is an assurance it's been treated for salmonella. They actually think the Tesco egg is healthier, even though it's many days more old and of inferior nutrient value. It's like they don't know that cooking eggs kills salmonella anyway. People in the countryside don't want crap eggs because they know they are inferior, and also want to help support the local farming economy. That support isn't going anywhere, and it's also why farmers don't take the piss with their prices. £1 for h/dozen big eggs is cheap, better than the top range of eggs at supermarket and better in quality, too. The cheapest eggs in Tesco are 85p for h/dozen, and they are as small as chicken eggs get. | |
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05-19-2020 09:04 AM
#934
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05-21-2020 03:44 PM
#935
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So Ong, you stil keen to defend this guy? | |
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05-21-2020 03:46 PM
#936
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btw, this the kind of adversarial discussion the US gov't needs. If all the POTUS has to do is talk shit to the press, that's not good enough. | |
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05-21-2020 04:55 PM
#937
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Last edited by oskar; 05-21-2020 at 05:00 PM.
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05-22-2020 04:32 AM
#938
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Sweden is doubling down. In april their chief epidemiologist Tegnell said they have around 15-20% immunity rates in Stockholm already, and reaching herd immunity in june. This week they got results and around 7.3% of Stockholm's population have antibodies. Tegnell's response, "a little lower than we expected but not by more than a few per cent". Currently they have more cases and deaths than the rest of the Nordic countries combined. | |
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05-22-2020 07:18 AM
#939
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I'm in no hurry to say "omfg" and get myself to Twitter when I can whore my opinion for likes. | |
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05-22-2020 01:01 PM
#940
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What's the point about speculating whether X would do a better job than Johnson? We can never know that. All we can say it's hard to imagine anyone doing much worse of a job really. | |
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05-23-2020 05:56 AM
#941
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So this douchebag drove his sick wife and kid 260 miles to stay with his elderly parents while he and his wife had CV, in defiance of the lockdown orders. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 05-23-2020 at 06:01 AM.
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05-23-2020 06:09 AM
#942
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The point is that it explains my apathy towards this kind stuff. And it's very easy to do a worse job. Imagine if I were in charge. Spliffs and tea all round, that'll cure us all. | |
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05-23-2020 06:10 AM
#943
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If Cummings did indeed drive his family 260 miles knowing he was ill with covid, then yes he certainly should resign, and probably will be forced to. | |
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05-23-2020 06:34 AM
#944
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Just reading this Cummings things. The govt are saying it was essential for him to arrange childcare. Fair enough. Taxis are a thing. My housemate is a taxi driver and during lockdown has driven from Ludlow to York (170-odd miles) and to Heathrow (150 miles) to take people where they need to go. A 230-mile taxi is going to cost around £250, £300 at most. Expensive, but not unaffordable, and when normal people are paying what they have to, there's not much sympathy for politicians. | |
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05-23-2020 06:36 AM
#945
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Of course the taxi fare is offset by the amount you spend on fuel driving yourself. The real cost of a taxi is going to be well under £200, plus the bonus of not having to drive for the entire fucking day while ill. | |
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05-23-2020 06:44 AM
#946
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05-23-2020 06:54 AM
#947
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No. 10 is backing him up, said the trip was "essential." | |
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05-23-2020 08:36 AM
#948
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Our lockdown is relatively soft, but is that the fault of government, or the people? I've made two lockdown journeys to buy weed. That's me breaking the law, not just in buying drugs, but making what the government would deem to be a non-essential journey. So If I catch covid while I'm out and about, is that the govt's fault? Or mine? | |
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05-23-2020 09:55 AM
#949
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I don't mean soft in the sense that some people aren't following it. I mean soft in the sense that people coming into country weren't being tested or told to isolate. That's one thing. It was also soft compared to ITA, where people were told not to leave the house unless it was absolutely necessary. They may have been too hard, but without any information it would have been better to be safe than sorry. It was also soft in what it considered essential work. When the tube is still crowded after a lockdown, it's not a very effective lockdown. The tube is a fucking petri dish. | |
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05-23-2020 10:01 AM
#950
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btw, UK has lost 2m jobs so far, GER has lost 375k. So if we're worried about jobs (and we should be) maybe we should do what GER and other countries have been doing. | |
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05-23-2020 10:40 AM
#951
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05-23-2020 02:20 PM
#952
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05-23-2020 04:39 PM
#953
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Lol. This is either the best hit job ever or the worst quarantining hypocrisy ever. | |
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05-23-2020 05:18 PM
#954
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05-23-2020 06:34 PM
#955
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You act like all the deaths we're having were inevitable and any country that isn't having them is either lucky, or covering up. There's plenty of countries out there that are outperforming us on this. There's even countries in Europe that have fewer deaths/capita right now than Germany (Norway, Greece, Austria, most of Eastern Europe to name a few), despite being hit at roughly the same time. | |
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05-23-2020 07:14 PM
#956
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Maybe this will help you understand why different countries are where they are. Certainly is a big part of it. | |
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05-24-2020 06:24 AM
#957
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That graph is bollocks. 1.5m cases when we went into lockdown? We're two months into lockdown and there are just over 250k cases. You're drawing conclusions based on a highly speculative number. I mean I'm sure some effort went into these estimates, but they're basically about as provable as God. You're taking those numbers as an act of faith. | |
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05-24-2020 02:39 PM
#958
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https://twitter.com/Glenndalmas/stat...98673616449537 | |
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05-24-2020 07:01 PM
#959
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I think you misread the situation. His neighbors were out heckling him too. People are seriously pissed, as they should be. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 05-24-2020 at 07:07 PM.
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05-24-2020 07:04 PM
#960
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I really don't understand why you're dying to blame anything and anyone but the gov't, but ok whatever. | |
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05-24-2020 07:30 PM
#961
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I think you missed my point. idk about his neighbours, but the press were bothering him with questions about his conduct while completely failing to observe social distancing. It's ridiculous. Let's not forget I think Cummings should walk. I'm not defending him here, but that clip sums up very nicely everything that is wrong with the MSM. Ambush someone at home, fuck anyone who doesn't want a media circus on their doorstep, be completely oblivious to one's own hypocrisy, whatever it takes to get views. All the better if it's a politician or rich celebrity, the greater sense of indignance people have. | |
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05-24-2020 07:34 PM
#962
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I'd have a degree of respect for the man if he replied to that woman "ok Karen". | |
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05-25-2020 04:11 AM
#963
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I think what you mean is you don't want to assign blame to the gov't. Germans fudging numbers, corporations controlling the gov't, the press, people on twitter, etc., are all fair game. Next you'll be blaming Obama. | |
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05-25-2020 06:34 AM
#964
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05-25-2020 06:36 AM
#965
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A "BooForBoris" is planned for tomorrow at 8pm. People are fed up. | |
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05-25-2020 06:40 AM
#966
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No, that's just what you want me to mean. | |
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05-25-2020 07:50 AM
#967
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All I'm saying is it appears you're looking for excuses for them. This surprises me because it's blindingly obvious to anyone who does even a little looking how bad a job they've done. But I guess you'll be waiting for the inquiry to tell you that. Ok fine. | |
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05-25-2020 07:52 AM
#968
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For someone who's so apathetic you sure seem keen to jump in too. | |
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05-25-2020 08:07 AM
#969
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Jump in? You mean talk about it to one person on the internet? By "looking for excuses for them", what I'm actually doing is keeping an open mind. If you want to assign blame to someone, you kind of have to "look for excuses for them" in the sense you have to question if the decisions that have been made are justifiable. The fact you're not "looking for excuses for them" shows you are biased. Your "blindingly obvious" comment reinforces this. It might be obvious to me that mistakes have been made. What is not obvious is if those mistakes can be justified. | |
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05-25-2020 08:23 AM
#970
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Well you can't both not care and keep jumping in to defend them, even if it's with just one person. But whatever. | |
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05-25-2020 09:20 AM
#971
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Well I haven't run out of excuses for them. An immediate lockdown was not an option. India did that and it was stupid. We did it in stages. I can understand why someone might think that is the best way to do it. It doesn't even mater if I agree or not. What matters is that they did what they thought was the best thing to do. That's acting in good faith. I'd probably ignore someone who says shut down NOW. I'd be concerned about the panic it would cause. We had panic buying anyway, imagine how much worse it would have been if we had 24 hours notice. So many people would swoop on the supermarkets it would be counterproductive. | |
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05-25-2020 12:32 PM
#972
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This Cummings presser is a gold mine. | |
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05-25-2020 12:42 PM
#973
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I can not care about any issue and still call out bad logic / poor reasoning someone else throws out vis-a-vis that issue. | |
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05-25-2020 12:44 PM
#974
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I said if the only thing that bothers you is if someone abuses their authority that's a pretty low standard. | |
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05-25-2020 12:52 PM
#975
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I don't remember what thread it was in, and given the emotional stuff I'm going through, it's possible I'm not remembering exactly the wording. | |
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