Vikings, Gods and Giants Game thread

[wufwugy]

i thought i was on rong

doesnt matter now. i may have a couple tells on teh hoopster that he dropped just now

lynch hoops

[Hoopy]

keith was not a terrible shot. the worst of it is that dayvig should be saved for parity. other than that, keith was not a cleared villager because the op writeup explicitly stated that modkills would be avoided. keith has been wolf lots lately and might have been burned out, and that would have been a super savvy move to get his wolfrole subbed with huge vilcred. you'll notice that my flip flop on him came after i saw this.

I think if keith was approaching WW burnout he just wouldn't play the game period.

[wufwugy]

I think if keith was approaching WW burnout he just wouldn't play the game period.

burnout on wolfing, not villing

[OngBonga]

I'm with wuf, hoopy is wolfy. It's taken hoopy some time to decide I'm a wolf for killing keith, it feels like he was waiting to see how much momentum is against me before deciding which side of the fence to sit on. Gabe otoh feels a lot more sincere with his vote on me. I feel like hoopy has reacted to gabe's vote and feels the time is right to jump on board.

lynch hoopy

[OngBonga]

boog is fishy too, he avoids committing himself to a read on me, which could also be him waiting to see if I emerge as a lock villager or a potential mislynch.

[OngBonga]

I'm curious though wuf, how the hell do you have tells on hoopy? That's like having tells on you. I can't remember hoopy being wolf. I'm sure he has been but I couldn't tell you when, let alone recall his tendancies.

[wufwugy]

I'm curious though wuf, how the hell do you have tells on hoopy? That's like having tells on you. I can't remember hoopy being wolf. I'm sure he has been but I couldn't tell you when, let alone recall his tendancies.

I partly mean something I've seen wolves do a bit in the past, and I partly mean something that it looks like Hoopy wouldn't normally do.

I could be wrong, just a feeling

[OngBonga]

Well it's a feeling I share, I was just curious why you call it a tell, rather than a read. I suppose it's just semntics.

[BooG690]

boog is fishy too, he avoids committing himself to a read on me, which could also be him waiting to see if I emerge as a lock villager or a potential mislynch.

Ong, you self-centered sonuvabitch. You don't change. I like how I'm fishy because I didn't mention you. You're a non-factor right now, in my eyes. I probably would've shot Keith in the face if I were in your shoes as well. It seems obvious to me that the Keith shot was more of an emotional "seriously Keith?" shot than having anything to do with logic. So, yeah, my read is that you're a villager. Being a wolf and shooting Keith with a shot is too FPS for day 1. You'd probably save the FPS for later.

Soulreading wolves 36 hours into the game is fun but futile.

I challenge you, BooG to look for wolves and not take the lazy road. We've already lost a villager today. D1 lynch is obv more important now.

Soulreading wolves 36 hours into the game is fun but futile yet you challenge me to stop being lazy and look for wolves? Did you miss the spiel that I went on accusing yourself and monstrman of being fishy? Did you choose to ignore that to paint me as lazy?

I'm not playing safe, I'm playing smart.

You're playing smart? How so? You hunting villagers? Is that the game you're playing? I think you missed the point of the game. The point is to win the game, not to point out that you think everyone is a villager. You're not playing smart. You're playing cozy politics hoping not to rub anyone the wrong way. I was a new wolf once. I thought that was the best move. You're now a new wolf making the same mistake.

[BooG690]

Actually, you know what? I challenge you, Keybored, to look for wolves and not take the lazy road. Who do you think is a wolf? Why do you think they are wolves?

[BankItDrew]

baudib choosing to sub him rather than kill gave us a confirmed VV. Good for the village because it forces the wolves to waste a kill on him at some point.

Baudib stated that we are not to discuss mod decisions. unfortunately, I am not allowed to give you my opinion on what your said. I would certainly like to.

[BankItDrew]

Before I read wuf and ong (ugh) I felt hoopy's post (which included his read on baudib) was very wolfy.

[OngBonga]

boog, fyi keybored isn't a new wolf, he mvp'd the shit out of a game with me a few games back to win as wolves after our entire team were soulread on d1. So don't underestimate his wolf game.

[BankItDrew]

Boog wolfin'.

Same reason for my ong wolf read.

[OngBonga]

Boog wolfin'.

Same reason for my ong wolf read.

What, gut?

[BankItDrew]

Yes

[OngBonga]

dayvig drew

[OngBonga]

Just kidding, I only had one bullet. Bahahahaha.

[BankItDrew]

Fuck off

you can't do that twice

[OngBonga]

Seriously though your gut at least half sucks.

[Keybored]

Actually, you know what? I challenge you, Keybored, to look for wolves and not take the lazy road. Who do you think is a wolf? Why do you think they are wolves?

My lynch vote rests. I've been burnt b4 putting too much out too early. I promise this tho, if the majority of all players do what you're asking, then I'll follow. For d1, I'm confident so far.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I partly mean something I've seen wolves do a bit in the past, and I partly mean something that it looks like Hoopy wouldn't normally do.

I could be wrong, just a feeling

@wuf and ong: Since this isn't some closely held trade secret tell on hoopy, can you elucidate your feeling at all? I'm not getting it.
Is it the opportunism of the timing?

***
boog and ong are both right about key.

key hasn't fully landed in the V zone yet. I've gotten mostly Village vibe from key, but one hint at maybe W-ness. I'm holding a mental note, as the W-ness thing could easily be D1 related.

It's important to note that key's wolf game relied on him playing the noob card, and while he played it to perfection, it wont ever work that way again.

For my 2 cents, if keybored is reading like a noob, then he should be heavily scrutinized.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Where's bigred when you need him?

[Keybored]

MoMo...you can't bust ballz for withholding wolf tells and then do the same...in the same post! C'mon man

[Keybored]

PS...let's PLEASE not resort to stupid cat posts. I beg you all.

[MadMojoMonkey]

MoMo...you can't bust ballz for withholding wolf tells and then do the same...in the same post! C'mon man

What I said was the opposite of busting balls. I basically said, "Since I'm not busting your balls to ask, what gives?"

And no, I'm not about to tell you what you did that I find questionable. It's a weak thing that has multiple explanations, and only one of them is worth skepticism. If a pattern develops, then I'll point it out to everyone and you can deal with it then. Otherwise, ask me after the game.

***
I've come down on you (key) as V for the day. Everything boog has said to you is giving me a neutral to Village vibe on him.
Just because other people have offered boog their perspective on you, doesn't mean that his questions are above answering.
(He doesn't know you.)

Your interactions with boog are of great interest to me.
(I don't know him.)

***
@boog: Do you have any reads other than keybored is finding villager and that looks bad to you?
What are your thoughts on the other wagons: ong (4 votes), hoopy (2 votes)

@wuf: What do you think of Luco's position on the ong wagon. I.e. he seemed to push for it until it took off, then he distanced himself, only to vaguely snuggle with the idea again?

[BooG690]

My lynch vote rests. I've been burnt b4 putting too much out too early. I promise this tho, if the majority of all players do what you're asking, then I'll follow. For d1, I'm confident so far.

I'm not asking you to bold. I'd just like a general idea of who you are inclined to think may be a wolf.

Well, since I haven't been around in quite some time, how have you been burned before for putting too much out too early?

[BooG690]

@boog: Do you have any reads other than keybored is finding villager and that looks bad to you?
What are your thoughts on the other wagons: ong (4 votes), hoopy (2 votes)

Keybored pussy-footing around my question isn't helping him look any less wolfy.

I explained what I thought of Ong above somewhere. He's a non-factor and I don't think much into Ong's shooting of Keith. Hoopy's interjection and stating of the obvious and jumping on the easy Ong train is quite fishy.

I never considered Hoopy to be a good player though so it may just be level 1 thinking. I need him to post more for a better read.

[BankItDrew]

I explained what I thought of Ong above somewhere.

I need him to post more for a better read.

I'm not asking you to bold.

this is a lot of fence sitting.

[Keybored]

MoMo...I too am interested in my BooG interaction. I need more from him and am willing to spar.

BooG...Like I said, I'll divulge more when others do. And you'll have to do your own research on me if you want more. I'm not inclined to relive my past. When I want more info on someone, I dig.

[BooG690]

BooG...Like I said, I'll divulge more when others do. And you'll have to do your own research on me if you want more. I'm not inclined to relive my past. When I want more info on someone, I dig.

Yup, always easier to share your opinions after others have. You know, take what they said and make whatever YOU want to say sound less wolfy, right? Easier to play this game with the dealer button. I get it.

YOU'RE SUSPECT.

[wufwugy]

I never considered Hoopy to be a good player though so it may just be level 1 thinking. I need him to post more for a better read.

erebody luz teh hoopster

[BankItDrew]

Nation treasures do not look wolfy after one post in Day 1.

[BankItDrew]

^^^^
Not that hoopy has only posted once. I was referring to one post in particular.

[baudib]

Day ends at 3 p.m. EST tomorrow -- a little over 16 hours.

If I had a heart I could love you
If I had a voice I would sing
After the night when I wake up
I'll see what tomorrow brings
Ahhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh
If I had a voice, I would sing

-- Fever RAy

[BankItDrew]

No homo coming from baudib obv

[Keybored]

No worries BooG. There's more fish out there. I'm showing all the cards I'm gonna today. Plenty have revealed a fraction of what I have. I'm more interested in those folks right now. Let's flush them out...

[wufwugy]

mmm, i see nothing fishy about what luco said/did regarding ong


as for my tells on hoopy, they probably shouldnt be called that. it's just a feeling. sure he did stuff that i feel i might have a read on, but like ong said it's semantics

put it this way: im not sure i believe hoopy believes his post on ong

[wufwugy]

i won't be back on before the gameday is over.

im guessing talkless nights

[MadMojoMonkey]

boog getting a tentative village lean for the short-term.

Hoopy's timing on the rilla vote in the anon game was not remarkably dissimilar to his timing here, IIRC.

***
This post from rong, has me suspicious:

Wolf ong shouldn't kill Keith there. It's too useful a weapon. That said, if wolf ong doesn't do it there and waits for a better moment he probably has to out himself as a wolf to use it, so it was possibly the one chance a wolf gets to day vig without looking like a wolf.

And Keith was always always always a villager there.

There has been no mechanics and balance criticism from wuf on his usual villager style.

Every game since I can remember I know wuf is a villager on day one, today I don't. I'd lynch him for that alone.

B lynch wuf /B

(bold removed)
His finger pointing at ong for the dayvig, but his vote going on wuf for some wishy washy reason.

[baudib]

"Tonight, I drink with my sons in Valhalla."


Ong 4
Keybored 2
Hoopy 2
JKDS 1
BID 1
Wuf 1

Player - latest vote


Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- JKDS
Rong -- Wuf
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- rescind
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Hoopy


No vote: Daven, Monstrman

[BankItDrew]

I guess whomever has the 3x vote, wins.

[BankItDrew]

Keith, will you or someone else please fucking delete my foot in the mouth sig?

[BankItDrew]

I feel like I'm not helping. On the other hand - I don't give a fuck. I'll try me best, I really will. But fuck me. I'm not going to bust my balls over this.

[BankItDrew]

You know what would really help? Is if the mod gives the total vote count. God forbit, right? Obv it should happen. Anything less than than the total vote count from the mod would be fucking BS.

Baudib, will you provide us with a total vote count?

[BankItDrew]

This would tell us if the 3x voter voted. This would help immensely.

If the 3x didn't vote, fuck him/her.

It still provies info.

anyone wanna bet I'm getting nommed N1? I'll have nestly bet $20 @ 2-1 that I do.

This should help both reads and $ in bank accounts. Holy shit I just offered $ to those who bet against me not dying.

Who doean't think I'll get nommed D1?

[BankItDrew]

Before N1, if someone wants to bet against me saying I'm going to be a Wolf, please fucking speak up.

if you:
A) speak up by saying I'm not a villager and state the following: "BID is a wolf".

B) I'm killed before D2

C) I'm a wolf

I will ship you $20.

I guess this means I'm nommed N1

No fucking big deal because I'm vanilla.

Suck it wolves.

[BankItDrew]

I'd rather take a vanilla nom D1 than any other nom.

This is literally the most +EV thing a villager can do.

[BankItDrew]

For everyone, including wolves and villagers:

step your game up

I'm cocky because I feel like I can implement any image I want.

[daven]

day 1 soulread time
Lynch MadMojoMonkey

i pointed out that ong can definitely be a wolf, but i think it's more likely that he's a villager. Mostly cos i can't imagine a wolf being given day vig powers cos that would mess hard with game structure.

[daven]

reading through the thread and this amused me: Keith, writing to ong...

it'd be really funny if the day vig pops you for that comment .

[daven]

i feel like there's at least one wolf in [keybored/monstr], and that bid is village

[rong]

Isn't monster referring to ong as momo because it's his name on another forum? He's not confusing him with anyone.

[daven]

@ monstr - ffs can you please call madmojomonkey either mmm or madmojomonkey so it's clear who you're talking about.

I'm happy with switching my lynch to monstr today - along with last game there is the confused tone of his posts this game plus the fact that he's holding his vote is classic wolf styles. Looks like i'm doing that too if you look at vote counts, but baudi simply missed my bold of keith's sub after he announced that keith was getting subbed.

[daven]

Isn't monster referring to ong as momo because it's his name on another forum? He's not confusing him with anyone.

fuck, if he's doing that then it's even more stupid. Anything that contributes to confusion benefits the wolves, he's apparently very experienced at this game so he knows this. I think it's deliberate. He's wolfin'

rescind mmm, lynch monstman

[daven]

if monstr flips wolf then vig should snap-shoot rong obviously.

[rong]

My mistake, he is actually talking to mmm.

[rong]

And what exactly should I be snap shot for? Are you just making it up as you go along?

[daven]

And what exactly should I be snap shot for? Are you just making it up as you go along?

i thought the only way you know who the fuck monstr is talking about (is it ong/mmm/someone else?) is if you talked about him calling ong momo, and that hasn't happened in the thread so where else could it have taken place. Drawing a long bow, i know, but i'm sure you'll concede that it's at least some kind of read. Not making it up, sorry.

[rong]

I'm sure song's name on quick topic was something like mono, but either way, as I stated above, it became clear that monster was indeed referring to mmm.

[rong]

Having read the thread I think I'm leaning on the side of ong being a likely villager.

I still want to lynch wuf ideally. I have read him as villager real quick about 10 games straight and today I'm unable to do so. That's not much for anyone else but it's enough for me.

Beyond that I quite liked an argument put against keyboard, but I can't remember the details of it and don't have time to read again so I'm sticking with wuf for now but may change in a few hours.

[Luco]

I'm sure song's name on quick topic was something like mono, but either way, as I stated above, it became clear that monster was indeed referring to mmm.

Domo

[Luco]

The only person I'm getting wolf vibes from is gabe. Most people are null, with mojo / monstr / key / drew all coming off town

[baudib]

I have limited internet access right now so I'm phone posting.

maybe this wasn't clear but this is an extremely important point:

DO NOT talk about mod decisions.

DO NOT talk about what the mod should or shouldn't do.

DO NOT offer opinions or try to interpret what the mod did or didn't do.

Also:

Wagers are against the spirits of WW and I am amazed that anyone here would not realize that.

[rong]

The wager thing is specifically referred to in an old rules post. Not that it matters really, but we aren't supposed to do it.

[baudib]

I understand there are a lot of new wrinkles to this game, but if you have questions that you think I should answer, PM me and I will address it in the thread if I think it's appropriate.

Everyone has the information they're supposed to have.

[Luco]

I think boog is a wolf but I don't want to vote him yet because it's the first time he's played in a while so if I'm wrong I'd feely shitty about him dying d1

[Luco]

Ong, you self-centered sonuvabitch. You don't change. I like how I'm fishy because I didn't mention you. You're a non-factor right now, in my eyes. I probably would've shot Keith in the face if I were in your shoes as well. It seems obvious to me that the Keith shot was more of an emotional "seriously Keith?" shot than having anything to do with logic. So, yeah, my read is that you're a villager. Being a wolf and shooting Keith with a shot is too FPS for day 1. You'd probably save the FPS for later.


Soulreading wolves 36 hours into the game is fun but futile yet you challenge me to stop being lazy and look for wolves? Did you miss the spiel that I went on accusing yourself and monstrman of being fishy? Did you choose to ignore that to paint me as lazy?

You're playing smart? How so? You hunting villagers? Is that the game you're playing? I think you missed the point of the game. The point is to win the game, not to point out that you think everyone is a villager. You're not playing smart. You're playing cozy politics hoping not to rub anyone the wrong way. I was a new wolf once. I thought that was the best move. You're now a new wolf making the same mistake.

Hmm, this is better from boog. Although I have to say finding villagers is a legit strat so idk why you're busting key for it there

[Luco]

lynch gabe

[BankItDrew]

The wager thing is specifically referred to in an old rules post. Not that it matters really, but we aren't supposed to do it.

That was pretty stupid of me. Can't wait to get nommed N1. You heard it here first.

[Hoopy]

erebody luz teh hoopster

Preach!

mmm, i see nothing fishy about what luco said/did regarding ong


as for my tells on hoopy, they probably shouldnt be called that. it's just a feeling. sure he did stuff that i feel i might have a read on, but like ong said it's semantics

put it this way: im not sure i believe hoopy believes his post on ong

So your tells aren't anything specific. It would be truer to say my post on Ong lacked conviction because his actions don't really fit either wolf or villager. I was trying to find a reason that wasn't "spazz" since I know he puts thought into these games.

[BankItDrew]

lynch gabe

I'd feel bad doing this due to player moral. Gabe dies early every game recently.

[Luco]

Hoops just feels like regular NThoops to me

[Luco]

I'd feel bad doing this due to player moral. Gabe dies early every game recently.

After reading through I could switch to jkds, rong or maybe daven

[Hoopy]

I have limited internet access right now so I'm phone posting.

maybe this wasn't clear but this is an extremely important point:

DO NOT talk about mod decisions.

DO NOT talk about what the mod should or shouldn't do.

DO NOT offer opinions or try to interpret what the mod did or didn't do.

Also:

Wagers are against the spirits of WW and I am amazed that anyone here would not realize that.

Sorry my bad, won't happen again baudmod.