Randomness thread, part two.

[rong]

Then again, it says the prisoners can't communicate with each other, but it seems they do in a fashion.

[a500lbgorilla]

That shit is awesome. I still don't really understand how the solution is so effective other than you eliminate the chance you open boxes that contain their own number.

[rong]

Well it would seem that by following the pattern, everyone else knows what number was in each box that's already been opened, no?

[eugmac]

No, they can communicate before entering the room of boxes and plan out the strategy, although they can't speak to each other after entering the room.

[oskar]

You people are all too smart and capable to have iPhones.

I bought one way back when after winning a live tournament. I pretty much only used the map and played the reworked Monkey's Island, which is awesome btw. I now have an android for data only which I use for the map and nothing else. I haven't used it for weeks. At some point I'll probably get a tablet for reading stuff, but I don't have a practical use for a smartphone.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Well it would seem that by following the pattern, everyone else knows what number was in each box that's already been opened, no?

No, it has to do with the formation of "loops" in the randomization of a closed set of numbers.

If you take any 2 lists of identical numbers, and then sort 1 of the lists, you make a diagram that tells you where each number "points".
Since the lists contain identical values, and they retain a 1 to 1 relationship, this is a map. For every input, there is exactly 1 output, which itself defines the next input.

When 2 lists share a 1 to 1 mapping relationship, a lot can be said about them. Some of the later advances in QM are based around identifying these relationships mathematically.

The solution to the problem is that, given a fully uniform randomization (no funny business, random means random), then the length of the longest loop can be postulated with probability theory.

If the longest loop is more than N/2 (or however many the prisoners can search before failure is declared), then the prisoners fail eventually.

So we've identified a strategy, and it's fail condition. The rest is just combinatorics to determine the actual probability of a fail. We know that any randomization will create loops, and we are only concerned with the length of the longest loop. Since the shortest "longest loop" that forces a fail is more than half the boxes, we know that if there is 1 fail, there are not 2, and if there is not 1, there is not 2. So we're only looking for the cases where a single loop is of length 51 or more. Those define the failures.

1 - failure% = success%

Turns out that probability is ~31%, regardless of the size of N (assuming N is even, though. So that 1/2 the boxes is a round number).

***
You know that your number is in your loop. That's how loops work. It's just a matter of if you can get to your number before you run out of moves.

***
Absolutely no communication needs to happen between the prisoners once they've agreed to this strategy, prior to game start.

[MadMojoMonkey]

If you take any 2 lists of identical numbers, and then sort 1 of the lists, you make a diagram that tells you where each number "points".
Since the lists contain identical values, and they retain a 1 to 1 relationship, this is a map. For every input, there is exactly 1 output, which itself defines the next input.

E.g. Take { 15 28 65 34 81 56 91 25 63 50 }
which I just randomly chose, so by sorting it, I'm fine with having 1 randomized version of the list.
{ 15 25 28 34 50 56 63 65 81 91 }

Now line them up
{ 15 25 28 34 50 56 63 65 81 91 }
{ 15 28 65 34 81 56 91 25 63 50 }

15 -> 15 | Loop Size = 1

25 -> 28
28 -> 65
65 -> 25 | Loop Size = 3

34 -> 34 | Loop Size = 1

50 -> 81
81 -> 63
63 -> 91
91 -> 50 | Loop Size = 4

56 -> 56 | Loop Size = 1


So, by just picking a random set of numbers, and comparing them to an ordered set of the same numbers, I've demonstrated that you MAY view them in the "loop forming" way. Doing so has been proved to be the mathematically ideal solution to this problem.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Did anybody know that Saruman sings heavy metal Christmas songs?

Why didn't anybody tell me that Saruman is the oldest person to ever chart a heavy metal song (last year, he did at age 91.)

I'm not really into it, but I'm fascinated.

Total double-take.

[rong]

Ah I see. Ty.

[Jack Sawyer]

"White Privilege" Experiment in Holland


Cliffnotes: we be stealin' that damn bike

http://nieuws.marokko.nl/35012/schok...derland-video/

[wufwugy]

Shoddy experimentation aside, the concept of privilege is bullshit. It doesn't account for what's really going on and it hinders the problem solving mechanism. Is it any wonder that since a huge section of the black community has embraced gangsterism, everybody else associates blacks with gangsterism?

Granted, a pretty significant portion of this problem is perpetuated by whites, not through racism against blacks, but in what has been called white guilt (which is also a bullshit concept, despite marginal veracity). I don't want to say that blacks should rise up and denounce the defense of all the scumbags the media calls the victims of social injustice, because that's stupid. But I do want to say that the white dominated media does no favors to the black community by making all its martyrs unworthy of martyrdom

[wufwugy]

You know what pisses me off the most about all this? When SJWs (using that term very broadly) have their way, all they do is undermine their own positions, since they're so ridiculous. This would seem to be a good thing, but I think the blowback is giving power to their opponents without those opponents having to examine the merits of their own views.

What I'm getting at is that, just by default, ridiculousness of the SJWs leads to dominance of social conservatives. We are currently in the precipice of some heavy social conservative comeback, and it fucking disgusts me. All this SJW bullshit doesn't resonate with the majority of people, yet those people don't have the choice to side with a coalition of thoughtful defenders of choice, so they just inevitably bandy on over to the social conservatives, who are again about to make it look like torture is good.

I want to vote Republican since they are far more correct on economics than the Democrats, but holy fuckballs if the social conservative part of the party rises up even slightly more, it will be a disaster. The nasty irony of it all is that the side that believes in more control over peoples lives actually ends up creating less control than the side that professes to believe in less control. That is, only as long as the GOP is hogtied by the social conservatives

[wufwugy]

i used to have recurring nightmares. but i dont anymore. i think because the nightmares know they've won

[a500lbgorilla]

"White Privilege" Experiment in Holland


Cliffnotes: we be stealin' that damn bike

http://nieuws.marokko.nl/35012/schok...derland-video/

Stop stealing so many damn bikes.

[a500lbgorilla]

I know I'm racist to this degree too. Walking around the city, I've casually passed a lot of black men in blackman clothing and found myself imagining the possible fight scene. Sometimes as I walk passed them, I imagine getting shot. Sometimes I make eyecontact and they say hi.

A black lady dropped her money pouch, though I didn't see it happen I knew it was hers when I saw it on the ground. She was ahead of me in line at checkout, you see. A black girl walked right passed it on the ground where I recognized it. I scooped that shit up and caught up with her and her man and their daughter down the road. So I think I'm doing alright, on the race front.

[a500lbgorilla]

100% on the money, racially speaking.

http://www.npr.org/2014/12/12/370264...cts-get-little

[rong]

Turns out I can get a head orgasm, and its kinda nice.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30412358

[Chelle]

[spoonitnow]

If you break down the demographics of the people posting in this thread, you can very quickly see certain common themes relating to post quality.

[wufwugy]

damn son

[Chelle]

it's the randomness thread, does anyone actually take it srs?

if so, brah, you doin' shit wrong

[spoonitnow]

Randomness ensures a reliable sample.

[Chelle]

i aint about dat lyf

[Chelle]

however

[a500lbgorilla]

Remember kids.





Stand out



Have fun



Don't die

[OngBonga]

I bet it died.

[a500lbgorilla]

[aubreymcfate]

The bison/wolf chase from Frozen Planet was epic. And penguins are motherfucking badass!

[a500lbgorilla]

BBCs greatest series is Inside Nature's Giants. It isn't close.

Slicing into the most badass carcasses Mother Nature's twisted snatch could spit out... You just can't beat that.

[OngBonga]

My favourite is Human Planet. I watch that when I need my faith in humanity restored.

[boost]

I burst into laughter when the camera shifts to a frontal of the seal getting dragged backwards.

[spoonitnow]

A new report on sexual assault released today by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) officially puts to bed the bogus statistic that one in five women on college campuses are victims of sexual assault. In fact, non-students are 25 percent more likely to be victims of sexual assault than students, according to the data. And the real number of assault victims is several orders of magnitude lower than one-in-five.

The full study, which was published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division within DOJ, found that rather than one in five female college students becoming victims of sexual assault, the actual rate is 6.1 per 1,000 students, or 0.61 percent (instead of 1-in-5, the real number is 0.03-in-5). For non-students, the rate of sexual assault is 7.6 per 1,000 people.

[wufwugy]

It's almost like the overwhelming majority of men aren't fucking rapists. Whodathunkit

It's almost like rapists are psychopaths who represent a tiny percentage of the population and are responsible for the overwhelming majority of rapes. Whodathunkit

[oskar]

If you break down the demographics of the people posting in this thread, you can very quickly see certain common themes relating to post quality.

One cannot help but wonder how you rate yourself in terms of post quality.

[spoonitnow]

One cannot help but wonder how you rate yourself in terms of post quality.

I don't.

[OngBonga]

Stop raping my eyes spoon.

[KoRnholio]

can't eat no belt

Haha that reminds me of a story from my youth..

Back when my friends and I were 16-17 years old we hung out sometimes with this old whitetrash wigger-type guy who lived across the street from one of my friends. Scrawny, idiot dbag who would constantly brag about how much beer he could drink, all his ladies, etc. One of his favorite stories was how he "almost drank 40 beers". His definition of drinking a beer was: cracking it open, letting it sit for 10 minutes, taking a sip, loudly proclaiming "THIS IS WARM!", setting it down, going to the fridge to find another cold beer; repeat.

He was old enough to buy booze for us, so we tolerated him just until one of us got old enough to buy our own.

A couple years go by and we see him working at some clothing store (The Gap or something along those lines). He's bragging about stupid shit as always. Looking even skinnier than before. He tells us he can't afford to eat this week. Then he points to his "awesome new belt" that he got for only $60 thanks to his store discount...

[spoonitnow]

Haha that reminds me of a story from my youth..

Back when my friends and I were 16-17 years old we hung out sometimes with this old whitetrash wigger-type guy who lived across the street from one of my friends. Scrawny, idiot dbag who would constantly brag about how much beer he could drink, all his ladies, etc. One of his favorite stories was how he "almost drank 40 beers". His definition of drinking a beer was: cracking it open, letting it sit for 10 minutes, taking a sip, loudly proclaiming "THIS IS WARM!", setting it down, going to the fridge to find another cold beer; repeat.

He was old enough to buy booze for us, so we tolerated him just until one of us got old enough to buy our own.

A couple years go by and we see him working at some clothing store (The Gap or something along those lines). He's bragging about stupid shit as always. Looking even skinnier than before. He tells us he can't afford to eat this week. Then he points to his "awesome new belt" that he got for only $60 thanks to his store discount...

Rofl I love it

[spoonitnow]

Turns out I can get a head orgasm, and its kinda nice.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30412358

I get them all the time from your mom

[Galapogos]

A couple years go by and we see him working at some clothing store (The Gap or something along those lines). He's bragging about stupid shit as always. Looking even skinnier than before. He tells us he can't afford to eat this week. Then he points to his "awesome new belt" that he got for only $60 thanks to his store discount...

Kind of a similar story:

I had a house that I used to rent out to two different couples. I went to collect rent one month and the girl from upstairs met me at the door with their check and stepped outside to have a smoke (she and her boyfriend were smokers). The check was short $100 so I asked her what that was all about.

Her - "Oh yeah I was going to tell you about that. We're going to be short on money this month so we need that $100 for other stuff. We'll pay it next month, I promise."

Me - "Are you quitting smoking?"

Her - "Haha whaaat? I wish, it's harder than you think though."

It just blows my mind that people think you cut from your shelter before you would cut back on a luxury like a few packs of smokes. They're super expensive in Canada btw, like $10 a pack. So between her and her boyfriend it wouldn't exactly be like quitting cold turkey.

Anyway, I asked her if she was going to make me drive all the way back home and print out their eviction notice or if she was going to write a check with the proper amount while I was still there. Passive aggressive attitude followed but a new check was handed over.

[spoonitnow]

Kind of a similar story:

I had a house that I used to rent out to two different couples. I went to collect rent one month and the girl from upstairs met me at the door with their check and stepped outside to have a smoke (she and her boyfriend were smokers). The check was short $100 so I asked her what that was all about.

Her - "Oh yeah I was going to tell you about that. We're going to be short on money this month so we need that $100 for other stuff. We'll pay it next month, I promise."

Me - "Are you quitting smoking?"

Her - "Haha whaaat? I wish, it's harder than you think though."

It just blows my mind that people think you cut from your shelter before you would cut back on a luxury like a few packs of smokes. They're super expensive in Canada btw, like $10 a pack. So between her and her boyfriend it wouldn't exactly be like quitting cold turkey.

Anyway, I asked her if she was going to make me drive all the way back home and print out their eviction notice or if she was going to write a check with the proper amount while I was still there. Passive aggressive attitude followed but a new check was handed over.

I'd be really interested to hear anymore good stories about tenants.

[a500lbgorilla]

I, too, want Galapogos to entertain with audacious stories.

[MadMojoMonkey]

+1

[Chelle]

It's almost like the overwhelming majority of men aren't fucking rapists. Whodathunkit

It's almost like rapists are psychopaths who represent a tiny percentage of the population and are responsible for the overwhelming majority of rapes. Whodathunkit

Exactly.

[a500lbgorilla]

Speaking of psychos.

"Driving in a car with Leon Bing, who was writing a book about the Los Angeles gangs, the Crips and the Bloods, Faro [a seventeen-year-old member of a Los Angeles gang who crippled a mother and her baby in a drive-by shooting] wants to show off. Faro tells Bing he's "gonna look crazy" at the "two dudes" in the next car. As Bing recounts the exchange:

Te driver, sensing that someone is looking at him, glances over at my car. His eyes connect with Faro's, widen for an instant. Then he breaks contact, looks down, looks away. And there is no mistaking what I saw there in his eyes: It was fear.

Faro demonstrates the look he flashed at the next car for Bing.

He looks straight at me and everything about his face shifts and changes, as if by some trick of time-lapse photograph. It becomes a nightmare face, and it is a scary thing to see. It tells you that if you return his stare, if you challenge this kid, you'd better be able to stand your ground. His look tells you that he doesn't care about anything, not your life and not his."

#nonfiction

[Chelle]

so coooot

[wufwugy]

Galapogos storytime!

[spoonitnow]

Amaya's stock fell like 18 percent after an investigation was announced into their deal that involved purchasing PokerStars and Full Tilt for $4.9 billion. I'm very interested in this.

[daven]

gold exchange from spoon's ama

I have this weird thing that's happened with the past like four girls I've been involved with. They start out being flat up top and having a nice ass, and then their tits just start growing and growing after we're together for a while, and only one of them really got fat or gained much weight at all during the transition. I've had three girls go from A cups to C cups, and my current has went from A to B well on her way to C.

maybe stop dating 11 year olds

[aubreymcfate]

^^ LOL

seriously though Spoon, you could probably start a very exploitative business with that power of yours.

[KoRnholio]

I'd be really interested to hear anymore good stories about tenants.

A friend of mine had a similar story. He was chatting with a tenant who was short on rent that month. Tenant changed the subject and then a few sentences later started talking about the great new snowblower he just bought a week ago. Facepalm.

[spoonitnow]

^^ LOL

seriously though Spoon, you could probably start a very exploitative business with that power of yours.

Get at me on Facebook

[spoonitnow]

A friend of mine had a similar story. He was chatting with a tenant who was short on rent that month. Tenant changed the subject and then a few sentences later started talking about the great new snowblower he just bought a week ago. Facepalm.

Ahahaha what a fucking idiot

[Chelle]

Had a friend call last night that apparently moved in with some friends that are a few states away. Hinting at borrowing money because she 'has put in at least 30 job applications' but 'aren't what they are looking for'. I told her the few steps she could take to making herself more stable, all of which were turned down with, "yeah, but..." and some bullshit excuse as to why she couldn't do it.

Then she tells me she spent like $20 on doing her hair a few days earlier, but needs $30 to get to the place to put in some application. Yeaaaaaah, I have a giving nature, but I'm not that fucking ignorant, bitch.

[spoonitnow]

Life is so hard for people who have jobs.

[a500lbgorilla]

Life is so hard for people who have jobs.

omg so true

[Chelle]

[Chelle]

#creepersbecreeping

[rong]

Have you seen the footage of the oz police storming the cafe?

Was not how I imagined it. They were shooting in there for ages, then throwing in the odd flash bang, shooting some more.

I imagined it would be smoother. Maybe kick down door, throw in flash bang, two or three shots. Done.

Not trying to be critical of the brave folk who risk their lives like that to save others, and obviously I know nothing about how that kind of shit should go down, but just not what unexpected at all.

[rong]

Hmmm... Reading more it seems the decision to storm was not planned and was a reaction to bring fired on from inside.

[wufwugy]

edited by doofus

[spoonitnow]

Check out spoonitnow's Guide to Weaponizing Morality in the only AMA this December to out someone as a functional psychopath.

(It's post #58.)

[Galapogos]

I'd be really interested to hear anymore good stories about tenants.

I'm afraid there's not much more variety. They're all the same with some excuse about not being able to afford rent, evicting them, then them showing up with the rest of the rent pretty much instantly. I'm not an actual slumlord or anything though, I've only ever rented out my house if I was moving somewhere and hadn't decided where I'd like to buy next or if it wasn't a good time to sell.

My two tips for collecting rent for those that are interested though is always have an eviction notice on hand. I don't know every area's laws but in BC if someone pays the remaining rent within 10 days of being handed an eviction notice it is rendered null. So I don't bring the notice to try and evict them, a lot of the time they're good tenants aside from the short rent. I bring it to give them a hard deadline on when to get the money by and to set the wheels in motion to actually get them evicted should they actually fail at getting the rest. You can't ever grant them any leniency on the rent because it will always snowball no matter how well intentioned they are. You're not being a bad guy, if there's no way for them to come up with the money that means they simply can't afford your place and you're not doing either of yourselves any favours. If you feel like a dick about it them help them find a new place or something that makes you feel better about it.

The second tip is if they insist on paying you in cash make sure you count it on the spot in front of them. If they're short $100 and you don't notice until the next day when you make the deposit it's a hard sell to convince them they need to fork over another $100 if they're sure they paid you in full.

[Galapogos]

Actually I just thought of a story. One time I had this family renting my house and they owed a lot of rent (the snowballing I mentioned earlier) so they just fucked off. Never heard from them or anything, they left a ton of their shit in the house and just disappeared. So my dad and I went to the house when we finally found out they were gone and started trashing everything. They didn't leave that much stuff which was worthwhile so we just spent a couple days loading up the truck with everything and going back and forth to the garbage dump.

Then on one of the last days while we were repainting the place after throwing everything away I turn around and there's this guy just standing there in the room looking at me kind of shocked. I'd never seen this guy before and assumed he must have been one of their friends that didn't know they took off. So I explained the story to him and he's just like, "Ya ya I heard but where's my stuff?" Turned out they had been subletting to him to help offset the cost of rent they couldn't afford and about 25% of that "garbage" we threw out was his stuff.

[spoonitnow]

Actually I just thought of a story. One time I had this family renting my house and they owed a lot of rent (the snowballing I mentioned earlier) so they just fucked off. Never heard from them or anything, they left a ton of their shit in the house and just disappeared. So my dad and I went to the house when we finally found out they were gone and started trashing everything. They didn't leave that much stuff which was worthwhile so we just spent a couple days loading up the truck with everything and going back and forth to the garbage dump.

Then on one of the last days while we were repainting the place after throwing everything away I turn around and there's this guy just standing there in the room looking at me kind of shocked. I'd never seen this guy before and assumed he must have been one of their friends that didn't know they took off. So I explained the story to him and he's just like, "Ya ya I heard but where's my stuff?" Turned out they had been subletting to him to help offset the cost of rent they couldn't afford and about 25% of that "garbage" we threw out was his stuff.

Damn that sucks. What's the legal recourse at that point for each of you?

[Galapogos]

Damn that sucks. What's the legal recourse at that point for each of you?

I honestly don't know, but I think I would have been screwed if he pursued anything. Going deeper into the story, I lived out of town and my mom offered to be my property manager so I naturally went with her over a pro that costs money. She didn't tell me about their rent issues or this guy they were subletting to. But since his money for rent was being collected, that qualifies as some sort of contract which basically says if you're collecting rent from someone knowing they're living there, they are entitled to the same rights as a renter.

So since I hadn't actually gone through the proper eviction process with this guy, he was still a legal renter. I went in the house under the impression no one lived there. But since my mom had inadvertently given the guy renter's rights I was basically breaking and entering. Or more specifically, breaking and entering, and then throwing all his wordly possessions in the local garbage dump

That's my rough understanding, I didn't look too deeply into this since there was a chance he might not come back, which he didn't. He only really seemed upset about his contacts kit (eye contacts). He complained to my mom about it, I wasn't going to replace it since at the time I wasn't aware the situation my mother created gave him renter's rights, but she felt bad and bought him new contacts stuff.

That's tip #3, never have your bleeding heart mom who will believe any sob story manage a property for you. This was the first place I rented though so I obviously did almost everything wrong.

[rong]

Worst thing about the run up to Christmas, walking into my own house, hungry, and not knowing what I'm allowed to eat.

[OngBonga]

Worst thing about the run up to Christmas, walking into my own house, hungry, and not knowing what I'm allowed to eat.

Jesus wept, man up. Whatever is in the fridge is yours.

[MadMojoMonkey]

[spoonitnow]

I honestly don't know, but I think I would have been screwed if he pursued anything. Going deeper into the story, I lived out of town and my mom offered to be my property manager so I naturally went with her over a pro that costs money. She didn't tell me about their rent issues or this guy they were subletting to. But since his money for rent was being collected, that qualifies as some sort of contract which basically says if you're collecting rent from someone knowing they're living there, they are entitled to the same rights as a renter.

So since I hadn't actually gone through the proper eviction process with this guy, he was still a legal renter. I went in the house under the impression no one lived there. But since my mom had inadvertently given the guy renter's rights I was basically breaking and entering. Or more specifically, breaking and entering, and then throwing all his wordly possessions in the local garbage dump

That's my rough understanding, I didn't look too deeply into this since there was a chance he might not come back, which he didn't. He only really seemed upset about his contacts kit (eye contacts). He complained to my mom about it, I wasn't going to replace it since at the time I wasn't aware the situation my mother created gave him renter's rights, but she felt bad and bought him new contacts stuff.

That's tip #3, never have your bleeding heart mom who will believe any sob story manage a property for you. This was the first place I rented though so I obviously did almost everything wrong.

Excellent story. Thank you for sharing.

[jyms]

Jesus wept, man up. Whatever is in the fridge is yours.

This is why you are single. You have no idea how a woman would react if she spent a ton of time purchasing and/or preparing food for something and you ate it on her. May as well say "pretend to be sleeping beside me and kick me in the nuts" for the next two weeks.

[wufwugy]

Are you sure that's why he's single?

[jyms]

amongst others yes. Maybe a day will come where he isn't single and this happens and then we can say "This is why he's single"

[rong]

I think the lack of a job or hope of getting one probably doesn't help. Nor the hair.

[wufwugy]

amongst others yes. Maybe a day will come where he isn't single and this happens and then we can say "This is why he's single"

nigga i was tryna burn the man