Ultimate Werewolf

[baudib]

Looks good
Luco
Dhuber
Keith

Feels good
Rong
JKDS*

null/neutral
Gator
Daven
Aubrey
Gabe

skeptical face
Big Red
Wufwugy
Keybored
BID

-- Sorta in order, but within tiers there's probably high variance.
I really want to move Daven up to villager status. But as he has gotten increasingly villagery I keep having this creeping horror that he never thought he'd get spotted on D1 and is now amped up his game. It seems like his reactions and reads have been legit.
-- I had a village lean on Monstr although it was weak. The thing he did that I found wolfy (for him) was he posted a mega reads list in the Champs game, which he never does. He basically kinda floats along and spontaneously makes comments as a villager. I think I will be able to objectively view Gator more than I would Monstr. Also, Gator is 100X the wolfhunter as Monstr.
-- I'm incorporating other people's reads into Aubrey because I haven't been impressed by what she's done. Admittedly, those reads are mostly by somewhat questionable characters.
-- Had to move Gabe down barring exploration of his "who wants to form an alliance?" post.

[Hoopy]

keybored sits in his rocking chair on the porch surrounded by the rest of the village, he's telling them a tale of a situation similar to the one they're now in.

"Course in my day things were simple. You had your villager, and you had your wolf. An honest battle of wits between man and beast. By gum we used to string them wolves up right quick, none of this pussy footing around with discussion and reasoning."

"So what do we do?" asks Luco.

"Well son firstly you've got to know how your average wolf thinks. I've spent time with them and come to understand their ways & motivations. In a way I almost became one of them."

wuf looks up from his copy of "Communism for Dummies" and says " did you just say you're a wolf?"

But keybored has already drifted off for his after dinner nap.

"GET HIM" screams drew.

The mob throws keybored into the pond. dhuber worries how the fish will react.

What a waste of a regular villager.

The Village
dhuber
BID
Luco
wuf
bigred
baudib
JKDS
keith
daven
aubrey
gabe
Gator
rong


Seer
Priest
Tough Guy
5 Regular Villagers
Miller
Cursed Villager
3 Wolves


MMM, a regular villager, was lynched day 1.
Ong, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 1.
keybored, a regular villager, was lynched day 2.

[Hoopy]

Night 2

Anyone who has night actions please do them.

Sleep tight everyone.

[Hoopy]

Being heavily in debt is a terrible thing, even if the currency is matchsticks.

gabe is rummaging through dhuber's kitchen drawers trying to find a box of matches. He'd thought about trying to beat BID at PLO instead, but what's the point? All his soulreading abilities were useless against drew's impenetrable mind. If he could get some sticks while everyone else slept then hopefully BID would stop pestering him tomorrow.

"Finally" says gabe as he pulls out a rather old box of matchsticks.

Suddenly he becomes aware of a shadowy figure standing in the doorway.

"It's alright drew I can pay you back right now"

The figure gives a throaty chuckle, "I doubt you can pay my price human".

"Oh wait, that whole werewolf thing" says gabe. He'd known the solution ages ago but forgot about it with the more pressing matchstick problem.

gabe, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 2.

[Hoopy]

Day 3

Day 3 will last 72hrs.

7 votes to lynch!

The Village
dhuber
BID
Luco
wuf
bigred
baudib
JKDS
keith
daven
aubrey
Gator
rong


Seer
Priest
Tough Guy
4 Regular Villagers
Miller
Cursed Villager
3 Wolves


MMM, a regular villager, was lynched day 1.
Ong, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 1.
keybored, a regular villager, was lynched day 2.
gabe, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 2.

[baudib]

damnit, gg Gabe

I spent last night reading one of Gabe's wolf games and I thought I picked up on a tell that Rilla mentioned.

Way too much blue in the dead list, but at least it wasn't green.

[wufwugy]

lunch bugrud

[baudib]

EOD votes for those interested in this type of thing.


Day 1
MMM - 7 (wuf, rong, dhuber, aubrey, BID, daven, Ong)
daven - 6 (baudib, keybored, Luco, MMM, bigred, monstrman)
keybored - 1 (keith)
monstrman - 1 (gabe)
no vote - JKDS

Day 2
keybored- 6 (keith, JKDS, gabe, wuf, daven, rong)
BID - 1 (Luco)
wuf - 1 (baudib)
JKDS - 1 (BID)
aubrey - 1 (bigred)
Gator - 1 (keybored)
No vote - (aubrey, Gator, dhuber)

[dhubermex]

Lynch Keith

[baudib]

Lynch bigred


​

[GatorJH]

Yo peeps. First comment - It's Day 3 and you guys are just now getting around to lynching bigred? Wassup with dat??

[wufwugy]

actually wait, rescind bigred lynch gator

i think the wolves were very aware that with gator subbing for monstr, he would be all over killing gator. i was thinking about what the sub for monstr meant, and wasnt sure, but with gabe being nommed, i think it means gator is likely wolf

[wufwugy]

^^"he" meaning gabe

[GatorJH]

yeah, cuz that's the level 0 thinking you get when I am a wolf.

[GatorJH]

It's nice to know that you can still pwn yourself wuf.

[daven]

not happy about the keybored flip, I don't understand what he was doing - post game I'll be interested in reading what the dead thread thought of what was going on around his behaviour. I'm going to re-read the thread yet again, but i'm a bit lost right now. I was lock confident that keybored was one of the bad guys, and i was pretty sure that the gabe image post meant something.

re the gabe nom - the wolves were free-rolling on this one. If they thought there was a decent chance he was cursed then they win either way - either they get a fourth wolf on board or they kill a strong villager.

I'm pretty keen on the bigred lynch based on what's gone down overnight and his content thus far - but I'm hesitant to bold early until i've read through knowing that both gabe and keybored are villagers.

[baudib]

Gabe nom looks good for Daven IMO.

[rong]

Man, every one of baudib's posts just seems wolfy to be.

[wufwugy]

It's nice to know that you can still pwn yourself wuf.

im just so special

[daven]

Yo peeps. First comment - It's Day 3 and you guys are just now getting around to lynching bigred? Wassup with dat??

mmm village fps-spewed day one and as a result couldn't be allowed to get to mid-game
keybored did a lot of weird shit yesterday and then dis some weird fps around the seer once his wagon had taken off and looked lock wolf

moral of the story? village fps is stupid.

[daven]

im just so special

aww, fuck it. Lynch wuf.

[JKDS]

Man, every one of baudib's posts just seems wolfy to be.

Im trying to decipher whether he made that post on gabe, specifically so he can claim TWTBAW. I dont know why a villager would even talk about it.

[daven]

Lynch Keith

because he thought a villager was a wolf? same as i did? or other reasons?

[dhubermex]

Man, every one of baudib's posts just seems wolfy to be.

I agree with this somewhat but am holding off for now because Keybored was so convinced of baudib being a Villager. Keith has to be at the top of the lynch list I would think.

[daven]

Im trying to decipher whether he made that post on gabe, specifically so he can claim TWTBAW. I dont know why a villager would even talk about it.

just cos there's an acronym thread doesn't mean we should start using stupid fucking acronyms all through this one.
I propose keeping shit like twbtbaw and wifm and wim out of these games, as rong said, the people most keen on them are post-spewing anyway

[Luco]

gg key, gabe. welcome gator

as always gabe is a self resolving puzzle.

Will read through in the morning

[baudib]

Nomming Gabe is obviously standard but IMO he was starting to look lynchable, especially considering the cat alliance thing.

So I think the Gabe nom should be viewed as at least a partial seer/cursed hunt.

if the wolves thought Gabe was seer I think this at least partially clears Daven.

daven village
aubrey village
baudib village
dhuber - village
bid - village
key bored - wolf? - 464 dissonance, 549 wolf pattern words
keith - i don’t get a good read on what he’s thinking like i do the other villagers, but i thought his breakdown of keybored on #560 strengthened what i was thinking about keybored. since i like his attack i think keith should be safe
wuf - disagree with his reads but nothing wolfy stood out. ong said “wuf is a wolf if mojo and daven are both villagers, that I'm 95% sure about.” but i think its more likely wuf is reading the situation wrong as a villager.

[dhubermex]

because he thought a villager was a wolf? same as i did? or other reasons?

For one, Keith's contributions haven't been that great in my opinion. I indeed backed his play on Day #1 because I was so hell-bent on getting MMM lynched, but since then his jabs at Keybored (who I argued all along was Villager... don't know how so many players thought he was a Wolf) have been really pointed.

Luco wasn't impressed with Keith from the start from what I remember. Keybored had Keith and BID at the top of his Wolf list... are we going to listen to dead Villagers this time around or play the style that lost it for the Village last match?

[baudib]

Im trying to decipher whether he made that post on gabe, specifically so he can claim TWTBAW. I dont know why a villager would even talk about it.

I'm talking about it because i wasted a night trying to figure out Gabe's alignment and thought I was onto something.

[wufwugy]

fuck the acronyms. they can get a wifom 'e asshole for all i care

[daven]

Nomming Gabe is obviously standard but IMO he was starting to look lynchable, especially considering the cat alliance thing.

So I think the Gabe nom should be viewed as at least a partial seer/cursed hunt.

if the wolves thought Gabe was seer I think this at least partially clears Daven.

yep, you look wolf bro
rescind wuf,
lynch baudib.

changed my mind about no quick lynch, baudib is screaming wolf here
we can never know whether or not the wolves thought gabe was seer, but it's far more likely they were going with cursed/strong villager if wrong equity, with about a random chance of seer hit vs the rest of the field. Or better than random if they've got a list of villagers who they think probably are not the seer.
I don't see anything in that post of gabe's that you have quoted that looks like a seer leaving clues.

[daven]

I'm talking about it because i wasted a night trying to figure out Gabe's alignment and thought I was onto something.

what had you concluded? more likely wolf or villager? why?

[baudib]

and Keybored, sorry for being harsh. I did think you played well early, but it was a pretty frustrating waiting for you, for you to troll us and make us wonder if you could be the seer led to an entire wasted day.

[daven]

what had you concluded? more likely wolf or villager? why?

given that you thought about it all night you can obviously post your conclusion and reasoning immediately. wolf.

[baudib]

what had you concluded? more likely wolf or villager? why?

more likely villager.

Rilla had said about (wolf) Gabe that he sounded "awfully sane," and talked about how cryptic he often is. I thought he was being somewhat cryptic here, more so than he was in Gold Rush as well.

[daven]

and Keybored, sorry for being harsh. I did think you played well early, but it was a pretty frustrating waiting for you, for you to troll us and make us wonder if you could be the seer led to an entire wasted day.

i'm convinced keybored's play was pretty bad once he became the likely lynch. Villager trolling villager is pretty stupid obviously, i don't think he was trolling. I think he was trying to do something smart, but I have no idea what that was.

[JKDS]

Nope, Baudib's find on gabe there makes me think hes villagery. Im not someone that can read him, but i thought it more likely that they were seer hunting than cursed hunting. Especially considering that key's play will help reveal the seer. Its more likely imo that they saw something that made gabe seem seer'y.

@Dhub: I want to lynch keith too. Hes not paranoid enough for villager keith.

[daven]

more likely villager.

Rilla had said about (wolf) Gabe that he sounded "awfully sane," and talked about how cryptic he often is. I thought he was being somewhat cryptic here, more so than he was in Gold Rush as well.

care to highlight some of those cryptic posts?

[baudib]

-- His reasoning on lynching Monstr, I couldn't make heads or tails of it
-- his back and forth on MMM, at the time I couldn't tell if he was advocating leaving him alone or lynching him
-- "Anyone want to form an alliance?" with cat shelter sign

[JKDS]

@Daven: If gabe were seer, a list of villagers would have look ups at the top.

[wufwugy]

lynching any of the most active players is shit. everybody in that bunch has some decent-to-great claim to vilhood

let's lynch somebody who doesnt have any of that claim whatsoever. gutur or bugrud or bud to start

[daven]

@Daven: If gabe were seer, a list of villagers would have look ups at the top.

you really think a gabe=seer would look me up on night one?
i recall gabe posting that he can read me as villager more than once in other games.

[wufwugy]

does monstr even get subbed if he's a villager? probably not

let's just hope gator's not the priest or some shit. he's probably a wolf tho

[JKDS]

Thats dumb. Key and Ong were the most active last game, they were both wolves.

[wufwugy]

you really think a gabe=seer would look me up on night one?
i recall gabe posting that he can read me as villager more than once in other games.

if twtbaw is too wolfy to be a wolf then can we make tdtms into too daven to make sense

[daven]

[wuf][baudib][bigred] looks like the game to me

[wufwugy]

Thats dumb. Key and Ong were the most active last game, they were both wolves.

that's not the argument. the argument is that among all of those who have been bickering, everybody has some decent-to-strong vilcred. but there are a handful of players who have zero vilcred. lynch one of them

[JKDS]

you really think a gabe=seer would look me up on night one?
i recall gabe posting that he can read me as villager more than once in other games.

I dont know how gabe thinks or reads you. But many players found you wolfy, so you're not a bad look up generally and you would never be nommed by the wolves.

[baudib]

does monstr even get subbed if he's a villager? probably not

let's just hope gator's not the priest or some shit. he's probably a wolf tho

I explained why Monstr subbed.

So what is more wolfy, trying to use the Gabe nom to clear someone, like me, or to try to cast shade on perhaps the best wolfhunter we have left?

lynch wuf

[daven]

[wuf][baudib][bigred] looks like the game to me

add jkds and then i'll cover off cursed as well as the three wolves

[wufwugy]

twtl should be too wuf to lose. because let's be honestly, im unlosable

[wufwugy]

I explained why Monstr subbed.

So what is more wolfy, trying to use the Gabe nom to clear someone, like me, or to try to cast shade on perhaps the best wolfhunter we have left?

lynch wuf

1. if gabe was right, then he's really really right since gator is playing

2. does your explanation include the reason why he wouldnt just drift into the mist as a villager? he could very easily just stop posting and nobody would know shit and it would be long after now that we would see a problem with it. but no, this quick sub means he was either more than a villager or that he notified the mod, none of which you should have any access to

so after gator flips wolf so do you

[wufwugy]

twtl should be too wuf to lose. because let's be honestly, im unlosable

i cant believe i fucking grammar'd this. here i am trying to punch some butts and all i get is egg on my nads

[Keith]

For one, Keith's contributions haven't been that great in my opinion. I indeed backed his play on Day #1 because I was so hell-bent on getting MMM lynched, but since then his jabs at Keybored (who I argued all along was Villager... don't know how so many players thought he was a Wolf) have been really pointed.

Luco wasn't impressed with Keith from the start from what I remember. Keybored had Keith and BID at the top of his Wolf list... are we going to listen to dead Villagers this time around or play the style that lost it for the Village last match?

its pretty simple dhber .... villagers find it easy to answer questions . Idiots thinking they are clever by not answering questions put to them and fake hinting at special roles tend to get lynched. The more he refused to answer the guiltier he looked.You want to lynch MMM for his FPS ...yet keybored is your hero for the stupid BS FPS he pulled.How about you actually start looking for evidence of contradictions.The reasons for my lynches are always argued out so that the target can refute them . Your reasoning is little more than scapegoating because an idiot died.

[wufwugy]

keybored didnt look like he did when he was a wolf. problem is he's a tough read and when he quasi seer outed it couldnt be true

[JKDS]

Keith, who are the wolves and why

[daven]

keybored didnt look like he did when he was a wolf. problem is he's a tough read and when he quasi seer outed it couldnt be true

who was your lynch candidate yesterday wuf? even after he quasi seer outed? easy to claim retrospective genius, it's way more impressive when it's done in realtime.

[daven]

I'm not worried about Monstr. I'm sure I'll be able to clear him by D2 if he's a villager. He has about a billion villager tells and anyway, he is the GOAT at clearing himself and a terrible wolf (allegedly).

and? stop talking about what he did as a wolf in some other game, and instead tell us whether he's villager or not based on his villager tells.

[JKDS]

Luco is almost certainly a villager. He joked about switching to gator during keybored's final hour. I dont think a wolf does that when the wolves may think key was the seer.

[baudib]

1. if gabe was right, then he's really really right since gator is playing

2. does your explanation include the reason why he wouldnt just drift into the mist as a villager? he could very easily just stop posting and nobody would know shit and it would be long after now that we would see a problem with it. but no, this quick sub means he was either more than a villager or that he notified the mod, none of which you should have any access to

so after gator flips wolf so do you

How does this make sense? Monstr subbing out is role-neutral at worst and frankly, him not coming back here gives him a villager lean. I don't know when or if he notified the mod and I didn't know if he intended to go back to the Champs game.

In the Champs game, he told the story of what happened to him, I think Friday or Saturday. He made an epic reads list in that game and a bunch of posts about why he didn't want anyone to clear him because of what happened to him. He was a wolf.

I kept that secret because A. it should be private and he posted immediately that he didn't want to get into any details and B. because I thought I located a wolf tell on him.

Your line makes no sense because if I were w/w with him, I'd be here making excuses for him before he subs out instead of trying to trap him. The fact that he felt more responsibility to try to post as a wolf looks good for him here IMO, and he was more in his spontaneous villager mode.

And incidentally, Gabe went to great lengths to argue that I'm a villager, and he's right about that. He was wrong about Keybored though, who he's seen play before.

[daven]

@ baudi - i'm reading through day 1 and gabe is sounding far more sane and straightforward than cryptic.
who are your wolf buddies this game?

[wufwugy]

How does this make sense? Monstr subbing out is role-neutral at worst and frankly, him not coming back here gives him a villager lean. I don't know when or if he notified the mod and I didn't know if he intended to go back to the Champs game.

In the Champs game, he told the story of what happened to him, I think Friday or Saturday. He made an epic reads list in that game and a bunch of posts about why he didn't want anyone to clear him because of what happened to him. He was a wolf.

I kept that secret because A. it should be private and he posted immediately that he didn't want to get into any details and B. because I thought I located a wolf tell on him.

Your line makes no sense because if I were w/w with him, I'd be here making excuses for him before he subs out instead of trying to trap him. The fact that he felt more responsibility to try to post as a wolf looks good for him here IMO, and he was more in his spontaneous villager mode.

And incidentally, Gabe went to great lengths to argue that I'm a villager, and he's right about that. He was wrong about Keybored though, who he's seen play before.

touchy much eh

he would so easily put less charisma into exiting his wolfing here than other forums he plays on

[baudib]

and? stop talking about what he did as a wolf in some other game, and instead tell us whether he's villager or not based on his villager tells.

I posted it in my EOD2 list. I had a slight village lean on him, he did a few but not all of the things he usually does as a villager, like he starts out spazzy and kind of jokey, and got irritated irritated under pressure. It wasn't his 100% "I'm a villager range," but his early games are usually filled with meta-based reads comments, i.e. "XXX is posting too much to be a wolf," "YYY is certainly a villager when he does A, B, C."

Typically my progression on Monstr goes like this: Early D1 I think he's a villager, then I start tinfoiling on him when he goes absent for a while. Then by D2 or D3 he becomes a very obvious villa.

[baudib]

@ baudi - i'm reading through day 1 and gabe is sounding far more sane and straightforward than cryptic.
who are your wolf buddies this game?

shrug, I thought he was incredibly weird D1.

I don't think I was the only one who didn't get his take on Monstr/MMM

[wufwugy]

except you said shit about him this game. you just opened with some meh and then mums the word for two whole days. call me fresh but that's a little funky

[JKDS]

Baud, why do you think kieth is a villa? You of all people should be aware of how different his game is this time around. Kieth usually has 8 or 9 different tinfoil hats on as a villager, and I havent seen so much as 1 this game. Why isnt that peculiar to you?

[wufwugy]

why does baud not like gabe's read? wuf likes gabe's read. wuf didnt like gabe's read when wuf didnt know gabe was a villager. but now wuf sees.

msg gabe: remember how you said your reads have been on point but it looks like they havent been due to bad wolf and ghost angel performances? well, if gator is a wolf, then you're back in top spot, buddy. only problem is you're not my buddy, guy

[baudib]

Baud, why do you think kieth is a villa? You of all people should be aware of how different his game is this time around. Kieth usually has 8 or 9 different tinfoil hats on as a villager, and I havent seen so much as 1 this game. Why isnt that peculiar to you?

I only played with Keith when he was a W once, and he seems different this game. His wolf %equity obviously is up with Keybored flipping V.

[baudib]

why does baud not like gabe's read? wuf likes gabe's read. wuf didnt like gabe's read when wuf didnt know gabe was a villager. but now wuf sees.

msg gabe: remember how you said your reads have been on point but it looks like they havent been due to bad wolf and ghost angel performances? well, if gator is a wolf, then you're back in top spot, buddy. only problem is you're not my buddy, guy

Gabe wanted a Keybored/Wuf wagon before he died, do you like that?

[wufwugy]

Gabe wanted a Keybored/Wuf wagon before he died, do you like that?

sure. hop on let's see what happens

[daven]

looks like ong's final wolf picks were jkds and wuf.

[wufwugy]

then let's do jkds vs wuf vs gator

[wufwugy]

actually that's a terrible idea.

gator vs bigred. or more like gator vs gator.

jkds is not a good wagon today

[baudib]

Wuf, I like how you make all these associatives (that go against your villaging philosophy) with me, like I'm W-W with Gabe, and then when Gabe flips V, I'm somehow still a W even though he had me as villager. The story keeps changing so you keep changing it to fit into your agenda.

Like I said, I've been totally out of my wolf range since D1. I got nailed on D1 last game, do you really think that V Gabe, who soulread me last game, and V MMM, and V Ong and V Keybored, who were intimately familiar with my wolf game, all misread me that badly?

I'm sure as fuck not coming out D1 trying to provoke/stir up shit with Gabe if I'm W again, nor spending dozens of posts interacting with him.

[baudib]

Let's do Wuf-Big Red wagons