Big Draw OTT - Villain shoves

[agnesamurphy]

Lock Poker - $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 8 Players

First hand ever on table. No reads on either Villain. Haven't played with either before.

CO - $4.01
BTN - $3.47
SB - $1.96
BB (Hero) - $4
UTG - $1.32
UTG+1 - $3.66
MP- $5.62
HJ - $8.86

Pot is $0.06

Dealt to Hero J,T

fold, UTG+1 calls, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls, fold, Hero checks

Pot is $0.12

*** FLOP *** 2, 8, 9

Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10

Pot is $0.42

*** TURN *** 3

Hero bets $0.22, UTG+1 is all in $3.52, BTN folds, Hero?

Just what is that all-in? Is that a set or some weird two pair hand? I mean, no draws are completed OTT. Was he slowplaying 10s+ this whole time?

I'm also thinking I'm getting horrible odds to my draws, but I'm also thinking villain might think my turn bet is stupid and is shoving for fold equity. I bet because I wanted to build the pot with my two draws, and the three was pretty harmless... maybe.

Thoughts?

[Savy]

Dunno what he's shoving but I'm fairly certain it's an easy fold though. Any overcard has >50% equity against you (I think). Add in anything that isn't just a random bluff and your equity decreases rapidly.

If you see villain does this regularly after playing more hands with him just wait till you have a monster and collect your winnings.

Also maybe bet the flop?

No point worrying about such a strange shove tbh, he could have anything. Probably had two pair or a set though imo.

[daviddem]

Probably raise pre
As played, bet flop
As played do not donk turn, certainly not half pot which is equivalent to typing "I would like a cheap card" in the chat box.
As played, fold turn. I'd check the turn planning to c/c. c/r would be an option, but not vs 2 apparent fishes (limping, not full stacked) who probably cannot find the fold button.

[surviva316]

I'm not entirely sure whether it's better to pass your option preflop, but I don't think it's bad.

As played, definitely lead flop. This is often going to check around which is just the worst because 1) the pot is so small and we need to start building it for when we hit and 2) once the flop checks through, we are rarely going to get fish off of any pair, which means we just let a nut bluffing hand turn into a wait-and-see hand.

Once it does get bet, I'd raise because we still have a lot of pot building to do, and it's gonna be tough to play the turn without initiative.

As played, you might as well c/r. If it checks around, then you get a free card and only lose 0.10 when you whiff, and if he bets then you have a great semi-bluffing opportunity.

As played, I think it's kinda the BC standard for whenever there's an fold/call situation facing an all-in bet before the river, that you have to make some sort of attempt at comparing necessary equity to whatever equity you guess you have. I mean, I could do this for you, but you should really get in the habit of doing it on your own. Once you post that, then I can post why I disagree with whatever equity/range you came up with :P

[agnesamurphy]

I think I did this right:

Villain's range: TT+,33-22,98s,93s,83s,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ah4h,A9o-A8o,98o

My equity against that range: 35.72%

As it stands OTT, I would have to put in $3.52 to win a pot of $4.16. Those are really horrible odds.

[Cobra_1878]

I think I did this right:

Villain's range: TT+,33-22,98s,93s,83s,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ah4h,A9o-A8o,98o

My equity against that range: 35.72%

As it stands OTT, I would have to put in $3.52 to win a pot of $4.16. Those are really horrible odds.

If villain is unknown there are so many more hands you can add into that range. I don't think hands like 83s/93s should be included in villain's range though