Randomness thread, part two.

[dranger7070]

And to semi-quote Eurotrip: Britain is on a whole other level with their swearing.

[OngBonga]

And to semi-quote Eurotrip: Britain is on a whole other level with their swearing.

Where the fucking codshit do you get off saying that?

[dranger7070]

Its a compliment,

[rong]

Brit's day cunt better than any other nation. Black yanks own fuck though.

[dranger7070]

Max wins.

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Brit's day cunt better than any other nation. Black yanks own shit though.

FYP

Clay Davis of The Wire "Sheeeeeeeit" - YouTube

[rong]

Sexy Beast - great scene - YouTube

Lots of great swearing by Ben kingsley as don Logan. He's brilliant in sexy beast. Well worth watching just to watch him go psycho.

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FYP

Clay Davis of The Wire "Sheeeeeeeit" - YouTube

This is why he's my favorite character despite not seeing more than 5 ep of the wire.

[wufwugy]

not seeing more than 5 ep of the wire.

um

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couldn't get into it. too slow

[wufwugy]

winter is no longer coming

[d0zer]

damned kids today with their short attention spans, and their rap music and MTV and such.

[rong]

couldn't get into it. too slow

I'm the same, I watched half of the firstr series and was just bored with it, it looked good I guess, but it's no sopranos or breaking bad.

[wufwugy]

y'all might wanna delete those posts. claiming you couldn't get into the wire is some pretty heavy self-insulting

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there is a thread over on 2p2 going on right now in which the OP is bashing the wire asking why it is so overrated and claiming it is mind numbingly slow. I don't think there is one reply in support of the OP.

I know I am myself a bit of a blacksheep in that I just have no interest in the Sopranos, and thought the little bits I've seen were really uninteresting. However, I can express that opinion and a lot of people will be like "ya, well, not everybody is going to like everything..." Yet if you say the same about The Wire you are pretty much always going to get laughed off stage. That's pretty telling.

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thankfully my disdain of the wire is well known and documented and i have recieved plenty of flack for it.

[a500lbgorilla]

Clay Davis is the worst.



Omar is the best.

The Wire is an incredible show, truly something unique in television. In 1000 years, it could be studied as the top expression of the medium. No other show can stand against it.

The first season is pretty slow til towards the end, but it's worth it to push through.

[a500lbgorilla]

Though the fifth season blows. By the time the fourth season has thoroughly blown your mind, body and soul, you'll gleefully sit through it because you want to lap up every drop of The Wire you can find.

[wufwugy]

I thought the fifth season was great. I think a lot of people didn't like it because it was too much a change of pace/setting. Also, IIRC Wire started getting super popular around season 3 or 4, so I think many consumed the first few seasons rapidly, then had to wait around for the final one, and that changed perceptions. And everybody knew it was the final season, so there was probably some subliminal desire for epicness in finale, which isn't the show's style

As far as it being GOAT, I would agree in the context of it being the full package. It does everything right and nothing wrong. However, there are a few dramas that arguably edge it out due to other factors like epicness in story lines and character lines, namely Carnivale (if it had been finished) and Breaking Bad

[boost]

I think BB is an amazing show, but I'm just not sure that it, or a show like it, could ever really be on the level of The Wire. BB is a first pumping adrenaline rush, while The Wire is consistently perfect in it's subdued sublimeness.

I'm not sure how well I'm conveying this, but I guess I mean to say that The Wire has very few traditional "woah, badass!" moments, and not only can it do without them, but it excels in their absence. I wouldn't want to be read as saying that BB is just a bag of cheap tricks, but instead that The Wire is on a level all together above the standards that would typically be accepted as the bar of entry for "great television."

[wufwugy]

I think BB is an amazing show, but I'm just not sure that it, or a show like it, could ever really be on the level of The Wire. BB is a first pumping adrenaline rush, while The Wire is consistently perfect in it's subdued sublimeness.

I'm not sure how well I'm conveying this, but I guess I mean to say that The Wire has very few traditional "woah, badass!" moments, and not only can it do without them, but it excels in their absence. I wouldn't want to be read as saying that BB is just a bag of cheap tricks, but instead that The Wire is on a level all together above the standards that would typically be accepted as the bar of entry for "great television."

I agree with this, but ranking these things brings up different modes of thought/theories

Like what do you call better writing: a story that is super real and interesting (The Wire) or a story that is rather fantastical and achieves new heights in its story structure with things like climaxing (Breaking Bad)?

The Wire is something that happens everyday, and it's the perfect portrayal of this. Breaking Bad, OTOH, is about very rare things and is built into a peak of epicness.

I just don't know how to rate one as inherently better than the other. I guess, I personally appreciate the story structure of Breaking Bad over The Wire (in a rating sense), so I will usually argue for it being GOAT. But still, taking something completely normal and making it extremely interesting without losing any of its normalcy is also a talent that could be considered unmatched

[boost]

Right... I mean, I think it becomes problematic when you start to attempt to rank a mediocre example of a Wiresque style show to a GOAT example of a BB type show, such as BB itself. The former category may have more potential, but that doesn't mean there isn't overlap. So a show which finds itself on the more realistic end of the spectrum should (maybe obviously) not be automatically ranked ahead of a more fantastical show.

That being said, I think that there is inherently more aesthetic value in a more realistic story telling style, because there are simply way less opportunities for the writer to deus ex machina their way out of a literary dead end. Furthermore it is simply harder to write characters; if you were the creator of Superman, you can just give him a few cursory relate-able traits, and the audience will think "oh wow, I can really relate to that super-human being!" But with a character who has a much shorter tether to reality, you have to really breath life into them, otherwise their character will seem glaringly unreal. As a writer of The Wire style characters, you are not afforded the benefit of the audience entering the room with an already high suspension of disbelief.

[wufwugy]

Right... I mean, I think it becomes problematic when you start to attempt to rank a mediocre example of a Wiresque style show to a GOAT example of a BB type show, such as BB itself. The former category may have more potential, but that doesn't mean there isn't overlap. So a show which finds itself on the more realistic end of the spectrum should (maybe obviously) not be automatically ranked ahead of a more fantastical show.

That being said, I think that there is inherently more aesthetic value in a more realistic story telling style, because there are simply way less opportunities for the writer to deus ex machina their way out of a literary dead end. Furthermore it is simply harder to write characters; if you were the creator of Superman, you can just give him a few cursory relate-able traits, and the audience will think "oh wow, I can really relate to that super-human being!" But with a character who has a much shorter tether to reality, you have to really breath life into them, otherwise their character will seem glaringly unreal. As a writer of The Wire style characters, you are not afforded the benefit of the audience entering the room with an already high suspension of disbelief.

That is a fantastic explanation, and I think you may have swayed me

[d0zer]

You guys are arguing about which runner in the 100m dash is better, except instead of precise measurements barely separating each runner, you're making up your own rulers as you see fit.

Art is subjective and most/all the shows mentioned are top shelf, upper echelon, A+++ would watch again.

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you guys have your wire. i have my how i met your mother. live and let live imo



huehuehuehue

[Chelle]

ass and titties, ass ass and titties!

[wufwugy]

You guys are arguing about which runner in the 100m dash is better, except instead of precise measurements barely separating each runner, you're making up your own rulers as you see fit.

Art is subjective and most/all the shows mentioned are top shelf, upper echelon, A+++ would watch again.

That's true. For movies, I have mentioned before that I don't have a top ranking hierarchy, but more like a top equal 50. Sometimes it's fun though

I won't say so much that art is subjective, but that it's subjective enough for hairsplitting to ultimately not matter

[d0zer]

I won't say so much that art is subjective, but that it's subjective enough for hairsplitting to ultimately not matter

Yeah that's more what I was getting at. I think you could probably apply some looser objective measures to separate shitty art from good art, but I couldn't be arsed because the whole exercise strikes me as tediously academic.

[wufwugy]

Tediously academic?

Motherfucker I love that shit. LOVE

[d0zer]

imma just sort it out with my gut and use all the saved time on a less lame hobby!

[d0zer]

I'm sorry, I just realized that shitting on you is probably way lamer than what' I'm professing to be lame.

[wufwugy]

I'm sorry, I just realized that shitting on you is probably way lamer than what' I'm professing to be lame.

Your mom goes to college - YouTube

[dranger7070]

SUIT UP!!!

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You guys are arguing about which runner in the 100m dash is better, except instead of precise measurements barely separating each runner, you're making up your own rulers as you see fit.

Art is subjective and most/all the shows mentioned are top shelf, upper echelon, A+++ would watch again.

I think this is a really sad cop out. Saying art is purely subjective is akin to saying poker is gambling just the same as craps.

Even if judgement of these shows is purely subjective, the discussion whose aim is to find objective rankings is fruitful in and of itself, whether a conclusion is reached or not.

[rong]

So having watched the first half of season one and liked it but found it a bit slow, how does the second half of season one and subsequent seasons compare?

I ask because I'm out of good series that I'm interested in and also enough time has passed since watching sopranos and bb that I'm not just looking for another fix of them.

Is it just more of the same, ie plodding along or does it build into something more... I don't wanna say exciting but, I dunno. I guess I never felt excited to see the next episode or felt the urge to stay up too late to squeeze another couple of episodes in like I did with sopranos and bb.

[dranger7070]

Even if judgement of these shows is purely subjective, the discussion whose aim is to find objective rankings is fruitful in and of itself, whether a conclusion is reached or not.

The only thing (typically) these types of discussions lead to is moronic arguments and blatant homerism. Not always the case as rational people can have perfectly reasonable conversations about their favorite shows, but in my experience if you think a show is meh/bad and try to explain your reasoning why to someone who LOVES said show will lead to them being very argumentative and the 'discussion' devolves into bickering.

[OngBonga]

ass and titties, ass ass and titties!

This post needs more love.

[d0zer]

I think this is a really sad cop out. Saying art is purely subjective is akin to saying poker is gambling just the same as craps.

I clarified that I don't believe art is purely subjective, but it's still way more subjective than a 100m dash.

Have fun with your pseudo-intellectual wankery which is really little more than your own gut feelings rationalized with walls of text!

[rong]

Lol

[a500lbgorilla]

So having watched the first half of season one and liked it but found it a bit slow, how does the second half of season one and subsequent seasons compare?

I ask because I'm out of good series that I'm interested in and also enough time has passed since watching sopranos and bb that I'm not just looking for another fix of them.

Is it just more of the same, ie plodding along or does it build into something more... I don't wanna say exciting but, I dunno. I guess I never felt excited to see the next episode or felt the urge to stay up too late to squeeze another couple of episodes in like I did with sopranos and bb.

Keep going and pay attention.

[a500lbgorilla]

I clarified that I don't believe art is purely subjective, but it's still way more subjective than a 100m dash.

Have fun with your pseudo-intellectual wankery which is really little more than your own gut feelings rationalized with walls of text!

My gut says Breaking Bad crescendos; The Wire is complete.

[wufwugy]

So having watched the first half of season one and liked it but found it a bit slow, how does the second half of season one and subsequent seasons compare?

I ask because I'm out of good series that I'm interested in and also enough time has passed since watching sopranos and bb that I'm not just looking for another fix of them.

Is it just more of the same, ie plodding along or does it build into something more... I don't wanna say exciting but, I dunno. I guess I never felt excited to see the next episode or felt the urge to stay up too late to squeeze another couple of episodes in like I did with sopranos and bb.

There's gotta be some unidentified reason why you were engaged with Sopranos yet not Wire. Sopranos isn't exactly more "exciting" than The Wire; Breaking Bad, however, is.

Really, what happens with The Wire, is that you just really like and feel for the characters and how everything is portrayed. You're not watching for the buildup to Bunk and McNutty smashing down Avon and String's door (there is some of that, but it's not the crux), you're watching because the interactions and developments of those characters and stories is just so damn cool, fun to watch, and strikingly realistic

Not to mention that David Simon kinda made The Wire as an illustration of what he has learned is wrong in America through the kind of work he's done. An intricate message of institutional corruption through juking stats, a recycling door of criminality and destitution, and a media that can't tell the story because they keep firing people who know how to find the stories. The Wire's subtext is done so well that most people don't notice it until they are told about it, but then it makes perfect sense. And the fact that most viewers don't recognize it on their own is telling of how realistically the stories are portrayed because not recognizing this subtext is our own reality

[BooG690]

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[d0zer]

lol boog laying down the law in the random thread. You're trying to establish order in a thread of anarchy?

[wufwugy]

boog always whines about people posting in the rando thread

[d0zer]

given that it IS the random thread, I suppose his contributions are no more or less valid than all of our comparably way awesomer posts.

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Take this shit somewhere else: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...**-177214.html

[wufwugy]

[d0zer]

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what is that gif from, dozer? Due to how not hideously ugly, but most definitely ugly they are, I have to assume it's some British comedy. Looks hilarious.

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I get buckets.

Pepsi MAX & Kyrie Irving Present: "Uncle Drew" - YouTube

[Chelle]

This post needs more love.

<33333333333

[OngBonga]

what is that gif from, dozer? Due to how not hideously ugly, but most definitely ugly they are, I have to assume it's some British comedy. Looks hilarious.

Can't be British, look at her teeth. If I was forced to sterotype, I say he's Dutch and called Erik van der Helmut, she's German and called Bertha Merkin.

[d0zer]

what is that gif from, dozer? Due to how not hideously ugly, but most definitely ugly they are, I have to assume it's some British comedy. Looks hilarious.

I have no idea, but I also want to see more from dickcat.

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I get buckets.

Pepsi MAX & Kyrie Irving Present: "Uncle Drew" - YouTube

Guys.. watch this.. it is hilarious and awesome all in one.

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<3 kyrie

[Hawk]

The word "oxymoron" is actually an oxymoron itself, translating in greek to "sharp-dull"

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NOT SURE IF SRS

[Chelle]

what the fuck is wrong with my fucking brain.

[wufwugy]

First day of college today. Did not meet Dean Pelton, but did catch the Seize The Day Professor harassing somebody. Looking for a compsci major, even though I'm worse at math and computers than anything. While I don't necessarily feel it, I understand enough about myself to know that there is a pretty high probability that I will end up going a doctorate route and becoming a professional teacher/researcher. It seems the only thing that does not bore me is the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge itself. Also, college will probably be the one thing that turns my life around; from a cynical asshole who can't seem to force a good decision upon himself to save his life, to, well, not that

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who has their first day of college on the 25th of june?

[wufwugy]

i never understood why people didn't like going to school in the summer

[Jack Sawyer]

Awesome dude! Make me proud wufster! I do ICT, which is like the Dutch version of that.

So welcome to the club! It's a bumpy ride, but it's totally worth it!

[rong]

i never understood why people didn't like going to school in the summer

Because they are cool

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because nice weather, beaches and cedar point

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cool shit wuf.

[lolzzz_321]

I liked summer school because you complete a class faster than a regular semester.

[givememyleg]

wuggywuf just don't end up a college drop out with no degree and tons of student loan debt like someone that i know.

hint that someone is on ftr and is an admin and is me.

[Chelle]

2.5 hrs of sleep?
fun fucking shit.

[bode]

wuf, how old are you?

[kiwiMark]

wuggywuf just don't end up a college drop out with no degree and tons of student loan debt like someone that i know.

hint that someone is on ftr and is an admin and is me.

before reading that last sentence I was all like wait what, I share too much info with gmml

[dranger7070]

before reading that last sentence I was all like wait what, I share too much info with gmml

Thought someone ratted me out!

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holy fuck the awesomeness

[dranger7070]

High dranger would LOVE this...

[d0zer]

I love it sober, but the fad of putting dubstep wub wub robot effects into every f'n song is getting so tired. It's not adding anything to this beautiful piece of music, it's just intrusive, and sounds added just because that's the thing to do.

/oldManRant