Am I doing everything that I can?

[OutlawPro318]

Okay, I need to know. Am I doing everything I can to get better at NL Holdem?

1. Reading everything on the subject. Books, ebooks, articles, forums, etc.
2. Watching videos of pros playing the game.
3. Will be getting coaching soon and will be part of either deucescracked or cardrunners.
4. Joined several poker forums and will be posting alot of trouble hands that need to be analyzed
5. Am currently playing as much as my bankroll permits(18+ hours)
6. Am currently using HEM(w/ addons) and PT3, to analyze how I am playing.

[bikes]

stop watching HSP/PAD and the WPT.

[EasyPoker]

Point 5 is probably your problem.
Point 6 is just odd (i.e. using both)

[OutlawPro318]

stop watching HSP/PAD and the WPT.

I don't watch those.

[OutlawPro318]

Point 5 is probably your problem.
Point 6 is just odd (i.e. using both)

I like playing marathon sessions, nothing wrong with that.

I couldn't decide on either one so I bought both.

[EasyPoker]

I like playing marathon sessions, nothing wrong with that.

I couldn't decide on either one so I bought both.

So someone suggests what might be a problem, then you say there's nothing wrong with it.

OK, I see your problem now.

[OutlawPro318]

How is that a problem, genius?

[Openside]

How is that a problem, genius?

Okay, I need to know. Am I doing everything I can to get better at NL Holdem?

1. Reading everything on the subject. Books, ebooks, articles, forums, etc.
2. Watching videos of pros playing the game.
3. Will be getting coaching soon and will be part of either deucescracked or cardrunners.
4. Joined several poker forums and will be posting alot of trouble hands that need to be analyzed
5. Am currently playing as much as my bankroll permits(18+ hours)
6. Am currently using HEM(w/ addons) and PT3, to analyze how I am playing.
7. I am able to recognize good advice and am able to check my ego and think constructively if said advice differs from my opinion.

FYP. It is not a huge leap to infer that your game is not great and that you are not currently a winning poker player, otherwise you would not be posting here for help. You may enjoy 18+ hour grinds but i can guarantee you that it is not optimal in terms of BB/100.

[jyms]

How is that a problem, genius?

Take that attitude back to the streets or jail or wherever you play or you won't be posting here much longer. You have no idea who is helping and who isn't and your already going to argue with advice you asked for??

[Shotglass]

Okay, I need to know. Am I doing everything I can to get better at NL Holdem?

1. Reading everything on the subject. Books, ebooks, articles, forums, etc.
2. Watching videos of pros playing the game.
3. Will be getting coaching soon and will be part of either deucescracked or cardrunners.
4. Joined several poker forums and will be posting alot of trouble hands that need to be analyzed
5. Am currently playing as much as my bankroll permits(18+ hours)
6. Am currently using HEM(w/ addons) and PT3, to analyze how I am playing.
7. I am able to recognize good advice and am able to check my ego and think constructively if said advice differs from my opinion.

Carefull with # 2: Not all pros are a good as people think. Better off with coaching videos from one of the better training sites. Do a google search. Better yet, do # 3 but research the coach (a lot) before plunking down any $$$ for his/her svcs.

#5 could be a big problem. If you're doing marathon grinds then how's your irl? When do you sleep, study poker theory, eat and so on? If you're not givin the game your 100% attention while playing, whether in a hand or not(i.e. combining any of the others with #5{or any other BS like surfing the web}), then you've got a problem.

Also, work on # 7.

[Sasquach991]

6. Am currently using HEM(w/ addons) and PT3, to analyze how I am playing.

Describe this process. What stats are you looking at? Make a screen shot of you basic stats and post them. There are many stat gurus here.

How do you review HHs?

Watching lots of videos can hurt your game,IMO. I used to watch tons of GS videos and it seemed that I was continuously losing sessions because I was copying actions from jyms, M2M, Spenda, etc without knowing why I was doing them. The vids made me overly aggressive and I wouldn't get out of a hand I shouldn't be in. Now when I watch them I try to understand them and not just copy them.

[OutlawPro318]

Take that attitude back to the streets or jail or wherever you play or you won't be posting here much longer. You have no idea who is helping and who isn't and your already going to argue with advice you asked for??

...........

[OutlawPro318]

Carefull with # 2: Not all pros are a good as people think. Better off with coaching videos from one of the better training sites. Do a google search. Better yet, do # 3 but research the coach (a lot) before plunking down any $$$ for his/her svcs.

#5 could be a big problem. If you're doing marathon grinds then how's your irl? When do you sleep, study poker theory, eat and so on? If you're not givin the game your 100% attention while playing, whether in a hand or not(i.e. combining any of the others with #5{or any other BS like surfing the web}), then you've got a problem.

Also, work on # 7.

-will do research on coaches
-as for irl, that's not too important, as far as am i concerned i have no other obligations or duties, i just got out of university and am just relaxing
-i have a full 6 hours to sleep
-i study poker theory on the weekends
-i have food and drinks beside my computer, so i play poker and eat/drink at the same time

-as for the rest, THAT is a matter of opinion. I think playing as much as my bankroll permits has been beneficial to me. I could care less about the rest of "IRL" lol

[bikes]

you guys need to learn how to be trolled less easily

[OutlawPro318]

Okay, what kind of an abrasive administrator are you?

[OngBonga]

18 hours a day or week? I like how people are giving you grief for this without even checking.

18 hours a day is a lot. For sure I've had sessions like that, but it's rare. I can play for many hours, but breaks are important, especially if we're "running bad" (that's just another way of saying playing like an idiot and looking to blame something else). If you were to take a half hour break every four or five hours, it could be hugely beneficial. Just make a cup of tea, walk the dog, watch some Futurama, anything to break up the session for just a short time.

Watching the pros is all very well and good, so long as you know when the pros are playing like idiots too. I like watching people like Ferguson, Neagranu, Ivey, even Hellmuth, these players play a very good tight/aggressive game. Some others play like $10nl donks and it frustrates the hell out of me that these muppets are playing poker for a living while I struggle to build a bankroll. Just don't think that because a pro did something, that it makes it a good move. I often think the pros deliberately make bad plays because they know how influencial they are. Either that or they have more money than sense.

Oh yeah, and definitely be prepared to take some stick off people when you post in forums. This is the internets, everyone has huge testicles. Bikes is correct, people shouldn't be so easily trolled.

[OutlawPro318]

Yeah you're right and yes I do take breaks, but I prefer to take really short breaks. Probably 10-15 minutes at a time, if something important comes up then yeah 30 minutes.

[philly and the phanatics]

18 hours a day or week? I like how people are giving you grief for this without even checking.

.

pretty obvious when he said "I HAVE 6 HOURS TO SLEEP" that he was not referring to in a week.

[OngBonga]

pretty obvious when he said "I HAVE 6 HOURS TO SLEEP" that he was not referring to in a week.

True, but people were still at him for it before he said that.

[kiwiMark]

nobody's picked up on the implications of "I play as long as my bankroll allows" ie. that he plays till he busts every day then reloads etc. etc., if y'all're gonna be trolled at least get trolled by the good bits

[jyms]

Yea that's brutal if that's the case. My $200 BR has allowed me to play since 2006. How many hours was that?

[OutlawPro318]

I assure you people, I get at least 6-12 hours of sleep per day.

Please don't be obsessed with my health.

[Shotglass]

would you clarify the bankroll statement?

[OutlawPro318]

Yes unfortunately I really have been playing until I bust and then wait until I can reload. I do not have the skills to currently keep the ball rolling. Often times, I will make money, but then lose it in the end.

I do not believe I am maximizing my gains and cutting my losses as of yet.

[philly and the phanatics]

this thread is outlawfully hilarious....

this has to be a level.

[OutlawPro318]

PokerStars Game #61755026674: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/05/06 13:02:59 ET
Table 'Ornamenta III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: logintech ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 2: jeppro ($1.43 in chips)
Seat 3: mi1k ($6.47 in chips)
Seat 6: Ranber ($5.40 in chips)
Seat 7: OutlawPro318 ($5.12 in chips)
Seat 8: pogrebnoi777 ($4.01 in chips)
Seat 9: PlanetRJ ($2.28 in chips)
jeppro: posts small blind $0.01
mi1k: posts big blind $0.02
slxxxviii: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OutlawPro318 [8c 8d]
Ranber: folds
OutlawPro318: calls $0.02
pogrebnoi777: calls $0.02
PlanetRJ: folds
logintech: folds
jeppro: calls $0.01
mi1k: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 7d 3h]
jeppro: checks
mi1k: checks
OutlawPro318: bets $0.02
pogrebnoi777: calls $0.02
jeppro: folds
mi1k: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 7d 3h] [9s]
OutlawPro318: bets $0.02
pogrebnoi777: calls $0.02
*** RIVER *** [9h 7d 3h 9s] [8s]
OutlawPro318: bets $5.06 and is all-in
pogrebnoi777: calls $3.95 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.11) returned to OutlawPro318
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OutlawPro318: shows [8c 8d] (a full house, Eights full of Nines)
pogrebnoi777: shows [Jh Tc] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
OutlawPro318 collected $7.66 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.06 | Rake $0.40
Board [9h 7d 3h 9s 8s]
Seat 1: logintech (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jeppro (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mi1k (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Ranber folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: OutlawPro318 showed [8c 8d] and won ($7.66) with a full house, Eights full of Nines
Seat 8: pogrebnoi777 showed [Jh Tc] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 9: PlanetRJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Hand #5789

[Carroters]

Yeah this looks fine. The nice little min bets rope him in then the shove takes advantage of how pot comitted he is. NH

[OutlawPro318]

Should I have raised more preflop and postflop?

Considering what he had, wouldn't that scare him off?

[Shotglass]

For those of us that like pictures:

Originally Posted by OutlawPro318

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($2.01)
SB ($1.43)
BB ($6.47)
UTG ($5.40)
Hero (MP1) ($5.12)
MP2 ($4.01)
CO ($2.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) 9, 7, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.12) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02

River: ($0.16) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.06 (All-In), MP2 calls $3.95 (All-In)

Total pot: $8.06 | Rake: $0.40

Results:
Hero had 8, 8 (full house, eights over nines).
MP2 had J, 10 (straight, Jack high).
Outcome: Hero won $7.66

[OutlawPro318]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.01)
BB ($9.04)
Hero (UTG) ($5.24)
MP ($10.54)
Button ($0.76)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) J, A, Q (5 players)
SB bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.56, BB calls $0.48, Hero raises to $0.96, SB raises to $2.99 (All-In), BB calls $2.43, Hero calls $2.03

Turn: ($9.07) 10 (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets $6.03 (All-In), Hero calls $2.23 (All-In)

River: ($13.53) 8 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $13.53 | Rake: $0.65

Results:
SB had 10, K (straight, Ace high).
BB had 8, K (straight, Ace high).
Hero had A, Q (two pair, Aces and Queens).
Outcome: SB won $4.31, BB won $8.57

[Carroters]

Should I have raised more preflop and postflop?

Considering what he had, wouldn't that scare him off?

No you don't want to be scaring people off. Just try to milk pots until the river then jam it. They'll always think you're weak because you told them one thing then told them another

[OutlawPro318]

No you don't want to be scaring people off. Just try to milk pots until the river then jam it. They'll always think you're weak because you told them one thing then told them another

lmao obviously you must be joking

[Shotglass]

lmao obviously you must be joking

Carroters is not joking. Deception, man. Make your opponent think that he's making all the right moves and then crush him.

[OutlawPro318]

Oh alright, well I'd like to say 2+2ers say differently. They are telling me that I should have raised alot and that I played "awful" on every street.

[philly and the phanatics]

FTR is a community that firmly believes in the minbetting strategy

[philly and the phanatics]

ok not really...both carrots and shotglasss are indeed fucking with you

[Shotglass]

am I that transparent?

[Shotglass]

In all seriousness:
You've come to one of the best places to learn to play this game. I strongly recommend reading through the beginners digest here in the BC, but on the flop of hand # 2 what was your thought process?
Holy Fuck!
Why the min-bets?
Do you not have a bet slider on your client?
There are several reasons to raise in NLHE and the fact that you've got a fucking button that has big capital letters R-A-I-S-E is not one of them.

If you want information about your opponents hand, a min bet is not going to get it. Anybody with (almost) ANY kind of draw will have the odds to continue.

If you want to decieve your opponent, then once in a while raise to 4bb with 74 from the hijack instead of the AKs.

Also, if you want a big pot then bet big, reach down, grab that mouse and drag the bar to the right until you feel like you've got a pair.

I've seen the CiB min raise strategy in some B&M tournies, but it's normally done ip otf and immediately followed by a shove ott(after the villain checks the turn), it's a WTF moment for the opponent. But that's a totally different animal: a live tourny vs an online cash game.
IMO, online the only reason to min bet is if you've got a great hand, 1st or 2nd nuts and think that your dumbass opponent is going to go spazzoid and bluff you with his whole stack. Awesome fun to watch!

[Carroters]

It saddens me to see good well meaning FTRers having their time and effort wasted by an obvious troll. This isn't even a funny troll ffs!

[supa]

Lmfao!

[supa]

No srsly! stfuagtfoadiagf.

[OutlawPro318]

screw you people, how am I possibly a troll.

but w/e, better forums out there are already giving me GOOD advice, not like this shitty place

[Shotglass]

screw you people, how am I possibly a troll.

but w/e, better forums out there are already giving me GOOD advice, not like this shitty place

I would imagine that you developed that image when you formed your first post the way that you did and then cemented that image with your responses.
Most people that join a forum would normally read through it to understand the format prior to proving themselves ignorant.

I would like to think that most on FTR are willing to help AND offer good advice to someone who is willing to take the time to learn and listen.

[daviddem]

screw you people, how am I possibly a troll.

but w/e, better forums out there are already giving me GOOD advice, not like this shitty place

imo

[Nekrogovner]

screw you people, how am I possibly a troll.

but w/e, better forums out there are already giving me GOOD advice, not like this shitty place

I will give you some good advice.

Okay, I need to know. Am I doing everything I can to get better at NL Holdem?

1. Reading everything on the subject. Books, ebooks, articles, forums, etc.
2. Watching videos of pros playing the game.
3. Will be getting coaching soon and will be part of either deucescracked or cardrunners.
4. Joined several poker forums and will be posting alot of trouble hands that need to be analyzed
5. Am currently playing as much as my bankroll permits(18+ hours)
6. Am currently using HEM(w/ addons) and PT3, to analyze how I am playing.
7. Am currently losing money.

1. This is good.
2. This is okay. Be careful what pros are you watching. If you wanna play like Negreanu then u gotta have bankroll like him.
3. Okay.
4. Thats cool
5. I don't see a relation between your bankroll and amount of time spent playing, unless you are playing until you bust your bankroll.
Bankroll for certain limit should be 25 buyins minimum. If you are multitabling then make it 9 buyins per table.
6. You don't need both, but okay.
7. Yeh dude, your graph needs to go up.

[EasyPoker]

Yeah this looks fine. The nice little min bets rope him in then the shove takes advantage of how pot comitted he is. NH

LOL

[3cent]

So someone suggests what might be a problem, then you say there's nothing wrong with it.

OK, I see your problem now.

and I can see what is YOUR problem

this is a forum. this is supposed to give you a hint

anyhow this is the typical response you get in asking for advice. clearly poker forums evolved in such cleverness and so low of good manners and friendly attitude. but hey, the long run should see few and few clever boys and more and more of the other kind .

and now you can ban me b/c of expressing my ideas in a shameful manner

[daviddem]

and I can see what is YOUR problem

this is a forum. this is supposed to give you a hint

anyhow this is the typical response you get in asking for advice. clearly poker forums evolved in such cleverness and so low of good manners and friendly attitude. but hey, the long run should see few and few clever boys and more and more of the other kind .

and now you can ban me b/c of expressing my ideas in a shameful manner

What ideas?

[Miffed22001]

great thread 5 stars

[EasyPoker]

Sicko bump

OutlawPro318 Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars

[ ] He listened

[eugmac]

100k hands, astonishing lack of variance.

[supa]

Absolutely gold.

[Vinland]

Yeah he was on another forum (not 2+2) and was the same....basically got into it with anyone that gave him advice that went against what he was currently doing...

Us: dont play 25 hours a day
Him: I think its fine, I'm going to keep doing it

Us: dont read books designed for midstakes, micro players wont react the proper way to your plays
Him: No, its good info I'm going to do it...

Us: (head explodes)

Whats kinds funny is he also sunk money into HEM, PT3, Leak finder etc.....without using a shred of advice

[eugmac]

so he's down $840 over 10 months, so that's about $84 spent a month on casual entertainment. I guess you could do worse? I'm sure I could think of better ways to spend my time and money though than losing at poker...

[eugmac]

I mean that's like one ride with a high-class hooker.

[StarGrinder]

Reasons why I frequent FTR:

[x] solid poker advice
[x] threads like this