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    Default first hand AQo bvb

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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    9 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($3.99)
    UTG+1 ($10.76)
    MP1 ($18.30)
    MP2 ($3.87)
    MP3 ($5.45)
    CO ($9.29)
    BTN ($6.85)
    SB ($9.78)
    kickass (BB) ($10)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is BB
    7 folds, SB raises to $0.20, kickass calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.45, 2 players)
    SB bets $0.20, kickass calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.85, 2 players)
    SB checks, kickass bets $0.53, SB calls $0.53

    River: ($1.91, 2 players)
    SB bets $0.93

    villain is unknown this is my first hand
    does we think pre flop 3 bet would be wise?
    standard? fold time.
  2. #2
    3betting pre for value is fine. calling isn't terrible.

    raise flop.

    as played...gah... fold.
  3. #3
    I'm with dOzer on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    3betting pre for value is fine. calling isn't terrible.

    raise flop.

    as played...gah... fold.
    Hard to argue with good logic. Since it's bvb I'd be more inclined to 3bet pf, though.
  5. #5
    Preflop meh, I 3bet or flat here. I would raise the flop though. As played probably fold the river.
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    this is an absurdly easy 3b pre
    as played the flop is an redic easy raise

    ?wut
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    Our villiain isn't full stacked and just min raised open so he is probably a fish and hence has a wide opening range. I'd expect him to be calling with a large portion of that range which we are ahead of so there is definitely tons of value in raising pre. I think calling here is a huge mistake here because this type of spot is exactly where the money is at this stake: playing in position, likely against a fish, with a hand that will make strong pairs a good % of the time.

    On flop our villain's range consists of air, flush draws, and pairs. Although calling is probably good against the complete air portion of his range, we need to focus on getting value from the other parts because that's where the money is. If our villain has a flush draw a Q or a 9 he will likely call a raise. Against these hands we stand to win a large pot, and calling almost guarantees us that we will not.

    When SPR is high, any time we choose to not bet or raise, we are severely limiting the large pot potential of our hand. If you call this hand pre and proceed to bet pot and get called on every street, you will still only walk away with roughly half his stack.

    In short i think your mistake in this hand is that you were attempting to get value both pre and on the flop from the villains entire range instead of focusing on how to get the most value from the portion of his range that will actually pay you off.

    then again im bad poker
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    thanks, I honestly didnt even consider raising the flop. but it certainly looks like it wouldve been the best option. pre if I knew how fishy the guy ended up being I wouldve 3 bet for sure for value not expecting to be 4 bet by anything that isnt the nuts but certainly called by worse. I very rarley 3 bet for value if I'm not wiling to stack off and its prolly costing me more than my fair share of big pots.
    so some things to think about certainly thank yall.
  9. #9
    No need for essays, dozer's post sums it up.
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
  10. #10
    Its ok ep . Spoons gone .
  11. #11
    i think there is need for essays. good explanation (some need it more than others). carry on mr. bucket. this is the BC no?
    Last edited by WeaselT; 12-11-2011 at 09:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    No need for essays, dozer's post sums it up.
    if somebody's post is too long for you, dont read it. i see no harm in somebody elaborating or explaining their rationale beyond "call ldo" if they want to.

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