Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[wufwugy]

another incoming soulread

shotty last wolf after gator. she didn't spend much time making a convincing case for me during the whole time i was under pressure, but then made that keith esque post out of the blue

[wufwugy]

man i am grunching like crazy

a little mad that philly wasnt a wolf cuz i was soooooooo looking forward to another super fun time of people attacking me. when that happened before it was the funnest ww so far, and part of me wants to see how tight i can get that noose on my neck yet still get out of it

[supa]

well that's 4 and I was REALLY hoping to avoid this, but I am the medium

night 1 - no discussions ldo
night 2 - reached out to willbur who looked up villager wuf
night 3 - reached out to dan who looked up villager philly (who if you guys hadn't snap lynched yesterday could have sealed the win for us by being alive today)
night 4 - reached out to philly who looked up villager shotglass

Good luck village

Sorry bra but I think you just fucked up. List should read:

night 0 - no discussion ldo
night 1
night 2
night 3
night 4

Can we lynch this fucker now?

[lolzzz_321]

haha, also, shotglass is a girl? r u hot?

[wufwugy]

rescind tlr lynch gator

pissy mood wanna get show on the road

[TLR]

Wow, lots of stuff over the last few hours.

There are 2 players right now with two wolves which means that we have some manouvering room

There is definitly one medium and one wolf between Gator and Lolllz, but I am not sure we need to kill either one of the today

If we do not lynch any one of them today and we are wrong and lynch a villager there can be multiple scenarios
1. The wolves go for the real medium, tomorrow we will be 6 villagers and 2 wolves, one of them confirmed,we lynch the wolf, a villager dies and we are left with 5 villagers and one wolf

2. The wolves do not go for the real medium, we get one more lookup, 6 villagers and 2 wolves, we lynch one of Gator/Lollz and we are wrong, another villager dies, we are left with 4 villagers and 2 wolves, one confirme, we lynch the wolf lose a villager and we have 3 villagers and one wolf

3. The wolves do not go for the real medium, we get one more lookup, 6 villagers and 2 wolves, we lynch one of Gator/Lollz and we are right, we lose the real medium the next night and we are left with 5 villager and a wolf

Since we know that there is a wolf in Gator/Lolllz If we dont lynch either one of them tonight either the wolves do the job of figuring out who is who for us or we get an extra lookup

[TLR]

I think that for now I want to lynch Supa

[Ragnar4]

I honestly have no idea.

None.

I can't decide between Gator or Lolzzz

Typically there's a sort of right of first declare when it comes to outing yourself. But Lolzzz knows that, and so declaring as a medium would make the real medium come out. But who here thinks they are good enough to out-play the rest of the village should Lolzzz turn out to be wolf 3/4?

Gator may just be in a panic mode and trying to figure out wtf a way to last another night. But honestly, Gator is the kind of guy that would use the knowledge he has to his power and keep up the run.

Honestly, given the 2. I'm more inclined to agree with Gator, his story is more believable to me and I would rather he get eaten by the wolves than lynched by us. Would a wolf really make that kind of move?

Lynch Lolzzzz

[Shotglass]

haha, also, shotglass is a girl? r u hot?

well, it's been over 100 degrees in Houston for a couple of months

[Hoopy]

I like TLR's post about possible scenarios, maybe leaving both of them alive is the correct play for today.

If we go for someone else today it's probably got to be Ragnar or Supa, I'm gonna go back and scan their posts.

But who here thinks they are good enough to out-play the rest of the village should Lolzzz turn out to be wolf 3/4?

2/3 you mean.

[OngBonga]

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahAHAHAHHAHA

Thanks gator.

rescind gator

lynch shotglass

Yadda yadda yadda yadda

I smell victory it's a very similar smell to burnt toast... oh... wait... SHIT

[Shotglass]

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahAHAHAHHAHA

Thanks gator.

rescind gator

lynch shotglass

Yadda yadda yadda yadda

I smell victory it's a very similar smell to burnt toast... oh... wait... SHIT

Wow, man. You really are dense.

If you're going to give Gator a chance that he's the medium then why would you lynch me or wufwugy when gator has said that both of us are villagers? I can only think of two explanations: you just don't get it or you're a wolf.

If you lynch me, the rest of the villagers will see that I'm a villager and gator will get nommed tonight then the whole village will snap lynch you and lolzzz - village win
IF by some strange possibility it turns out that I'm wrong about Gator and he is a wolf then I'm dead anyways so, easy game.
But I'm not wrong.
Think about it.
Just by shear numbers of 21 people playing (20 after BR's lynch) it's 70% more likely that the medium will find a normal villager than a special role (including wolves) and lolzzz just happens to find 2 of them on the ONLY days that he said he did a lookup, get real.

[GatorJH]

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahAHAHAHHAHA

Thanks gator.

rescind gator

lynch shotglass

Yadda yadda yadda yadda

I smell victory it's a very similar smell to burnt toast... oh... wait... SHIT

you really are either a shitty wolf or the world's worst villager. Wuf, shotglass and bikes should be untouchables today.

[GatorJH]

Wow, man. You really are dense.

If you're going to give Gator a chance that he's the medium then why would you lynch me or wufwugy when gator has said that both of us are villagers? I can only think of two explanations: you just don't get it or you're a wolf.

If you lynch me, the rest of the villagers will see that I'm a villager and gator will get nommed tonight then the whole village will snap lynch you and lolzzz - village win
IF by some strange possibility it turns out that I'm wrong about Gator and he is a wolf then I'm dead anyways so, easy game.
But I'm not wrong.
Think about it.
Just by shear numbers of 21 people playing (20 after BR's lynch) it's 70% more likely that the medium will find a normal villager than a special role (including wolves) and lolzzz just happens to find 2 of them on the ONLY days that he said he did a lookup, get real.

hehe - yea, what she said!!! Guess I should have read this post before replying to dumbass.

[TLR]

Assuming we do not go for Gator, Lollz or any of their lookups and wait for the wolves action, and also do not touch any of the presumed lookups (wuf, Shotglass, bikes)

we are left with 5 on the list - Supa, Rangar, OngBonga, Hoopy and me

Given the flip for Ragnar's life I think it is less likely that he is a wolf
I am not a wolf

That leaves us with 3 candidates - Supa, Ongbonga and Hoopy - out of the 3 I think Hoopy is the most likely villager, I can get behind a Supa or Ong lynch

lynch Supa

[OngBonga]

Easy now girl, there's no need for the personal insults! I'm not dense... and you know it!

Let's just make one thing clear... I do not think for one minute that gator is the medium, his move was forced... and your moves are forced too. What else can you do other than desperately try to save him? If you are a villager, then you wouldn't be so set on lolz being a fake, you would think maybe he could actually be the real medium and you would want gator gone so we could find out. But you're on a different page to the rest of us.

Look, I realise that this game is not wrapped up yet, despite my confidence. I realise there could be more twists... I might actually be wrong about you, but not gator... that would fuck things up for me. Maybe neither you nor gator are wolves. But, we would still be in great shape. Lolz would then be confirmed wolf, and the other would probably be supa or maybe bikes. I'm not a wolf, but if I have to die on the way to a village win, so be it. I doubt it though. I think myself, wuf and hoopy are so fucking obviously villagers, that we've got this practically locked down.

[OngBonga]

Wow, even gator is resorting to insults... now that's a surprise. We have these guys on the ropes.

[OngBonga]

Could a non-wolf please explain why shotglass in untouchable?

[OngBonga]

world's worst villager.

If you're the medium, then yeah, I'm a pretty bad villager. If you're a wolf, then it appears I'm one of two people who can read you. DTB didn't have a great game this time around, but he proved his worth the game you won as the lone wolf.

If you and shotty are the last wolves, I'm an awesome villager.

[TLR]

Could a non-wolf please explain why shotglass in untouchable?

1. She's a woman
2. Since we do not know who the real medium is then there is no point lynching people who have been looked up by either of them

[Shotglass]

If you and shotty are the last wolves, I'm an awesome villager.

If I'm wrong about Gator then you're only half awesome, cause I'm still a villager but then I'll be a confirmed dumbass.

[Shotglass]

Easy now girl, there's no need for the personal insults! I'm not dense... and you know it!

Let's just make one thing clear... I do not think for one minute that gator is the medium, his move was forced... and your moves are forced too. What else can you do other than desperately try to save him? If you are a villager, then you wouldn't be so set on lolz being a fake, you would think maybe he could actually be the real medium and you would want gator gone so we could find out. But you're on a different page to the rest of us.

First, sorry about the insult.

2nd: Do you really think that I'd be that stupid to fight so hard to save someone else if we were both wolves? Wouldn't it be better for me to just hang back and try to keep some heat off of me so that I could skate through to the end?
Following that same line of reasoning tells me that you might be a villager, even though lolzz is a wolf. So, who do we have hanging back that wants to see one of the two of them lynched?

Ok here's the plan. Lynch gator today...

I've already given the reasons that I'm 100% certain that lolzzz is a wolf

Think about it.
Just by shear numbers of 21 people playing (20 after BR's lynch) it's 70% more likely that the medium will find a normal villager than a special role (including wolves) and lolzzz just happens to find 2 of them on the ONLY days that he said he did a lookup, get real.

The same can be said for lolzzz as a fake medium.

With all of the evidence that he's given us, he shoulda been a snap lynch after the mistake with philly.....I can't believe that as a village we're going to again follow someone who has PROVEN that he's knowingly given us incorrect information!

If we get a BW running on supa then I'll rescind lolzzz and join in, but I won't do it with the vote this close between lolzzz and Gator.

[Hoopy]

I mean I think TLR has come up with some good posts and ideas, kinda paranoid he could be leveling but I'm trying not to over think things.

Looking at Ong and supa I figure Ong is almost always a villager given how he's been super active posting crazy theories and attacks on loads of people (no offense bro) + he seems genuine fwiw.

As for supa I'm not convinced either way yet, lots of posts but all fairly short. This one is important though imo.

Sorry bra but I think you just fucked up. List should read:

night 0 - no discussion ldo
night 1
night 2
night 3
night 4

Can we lynch this fucker now?

Back on later this evening.

[OngBonga]

1. She's a woman
2. Since we do not know who the real medium is then there is no point lynching people who have been looked up by either of them

Point 1 is not good enough. She might be a woman, she might even be sweet, but this is WW and I think she's a wolf. Do you fold your set when she raises you? I fucking don't.

Point 2 is actually a better point. I guess I'm too wrapped up in my belief that gator is not the medium, so I pretty much ignored his claim that shotglass was scanned. It's pretty obvious to me why he said it, but I can't see it winning the game for them.

Ok, recsind shotglass

lynch supa

He's the least villagery out of my villagers, so an acceptable sacrifice.

So what happens if the wolves don't nom the medium? The look up isn't a guarantee, so we're effectively letting gator, a practically confirmed wolf, run the show by making us lynch villager after villager. The wolves are in trouble, so they might as well gamble that a) the dead will not scan a wolf, or b) the scan fails.

We can't keep aiming for those who haven't been "looked up". If the medium survives the night, we need a new strategy.

[OngBonga]

Also, shotty, I don't mind the insults, it's all fun and games. I was pretty harsh on BR until I realised wuf might actually be a villager and that BR might actually have played well!

[OngBonga]

i found it extremely implausible that youre a wolf based on how you saved me

Wuf, this is EXACTLY why he's been my prime wolf target since night 2. When the entire village are saying "gator a wolf would not do this", that means he's a fucking wolf.

[Ragnar4]

Ong, why in the world are you out to sew so much confusion? TLR is making a lot of sense, and I'm pretty sure he's a villager, but you are about as good as TLR IMO and this reaching and accusing everyone is beginning to look very out of place to me. We have a confirmed wolf in 2 people. I think I would be more likely to go after you tomorrow if gator is a wolf and Lolzzzz is the medium just because of the bulwhark you're building.

This isn't like you player. Care to explain why?

[OngBonga]

Ong, why in the world are you out to sew so much confusion? TLR is making a lot of sense, and I'm pretty sure he's a villager, but you are about as good as TLR IMO and this reaching and accusing everyone is beginning to look very out of place to me. We have a confirmed wolf in 2 people. I think I would be more likely to go after you tomorrow if gator is a wolf and Lolzzzz is the medium just because of the bulwhark you're building.

This isn't like you player. Care to explain why?

The bit in italics. Everyone? My accusations have been mainly directed at wuf and bikes for the first two days, and then gator and shotglass since real info came to light. Sure, I've pointed a few fingers here and there, I like to keep heat on a lot of people for various reasons, such as to see who responds to it, maybe because I think they are a special who could use a little heat to stop them being nommed, or just to see how they react, or maybe even to look wolfy so I can get away with my style when I am a wolf. I've only had three serious suspects throughout. I don't think supa is a wolf, but I understand why he should go today.

Also, this is exactly the kind of way I've played this game the previous two times I played. My aim is to generate discussion and force people to respond to my rants. If gator and shotty turn up as the last wolves, I will be in no hurry to change my style.

[OngBonga]

Oh shit, the whole quote is in italics lol!

[supa]

Hmmm... maybe it's just me. Does no one else see that Gator left out a night of look ups while he was fabricating that list?

[OngBonga]

Hmmm... maybe it's just me. Does no one else see that Gator left out a night of look ups while he was fabricating that list?

rescind supa

I think you're right. The "no discussion" part should be night 0, and if gator was the real medium he would know this.

Village?

[GatorJH]

I can always get on board with a lynch supa

[supa]

I can always get on board with a lynch supa

Dead wolf talking.

[Hoopy]

rescind supa

I think you're right. The "no discussion" part should be night 0, and if gator was the real medium he would know this.

Village?

The only person he could talk to on night one was bigred, willbur not being dead at that point. Bigred obviously wouldn't be reliable hence no discussions night 1?

[OngBonga]

Yeah ok it does make sense. So we still lynching supa then?

[supa]

Please note that Gator did not come up with that excuse.

[supa]

And still nobody can come up with a coherent reason, or a reason at all, as to why lolzzz would out himself so early in the game as a wolf. He woulda had to be pretty fucking lucky that someone like Gator was the real medium to last this long.

[OngBonga]

There is no reason he'd do it unless he thought he was gonna get shot/lynched, or unless he wanted us to kill two strong villagers in return for his soul.

I don't think lolz is a wolf because I firmly believe the wolves would really want gator in a 3man endgame. If he's a wolf he's made a big mistake in swinging for gator, and I just don't see him making this mistake, lolz is no noob. I'm a noob, and if I were in the wolf team, I would say "leave gator there, he'll get lynched on final day if it gets that far".

But, who else do we go for today? The wolves are still in with a shout of winning this. It's all very well the medium getting an extra look-up if he survives the night, but since we aren't sure who the medium is, how do we act on the info we get?

So what if we're left with, I dunno, say wuf, gator and lolz as the last three? Maybe I get nommed the night before, and find out that lolz is the wolf, I tell gator, gator tells wuf, wuf says you're full of shit and the wolves win.

We need to kill either gator or lolz tonight imo. If we swing and miss, well, the village is not in great shape but at least we have two days to get it right. A gator wolf means either shotty or supa is the other, a lolz wolf means, imo, anyone could be the final wolf.

Therefore, I think we should still swing for gator. Lolz is more likely the medium because he has gone for gator, someone who he should've left alone.

[Shotglass]

A gator wolf means either shotty or supa is the other, a lolz wolf means, imo, Ongbonga is be the final wolf.

FYP

[OngBonga]

So shotty, I'm curious, why did you feel it would be appropriate to deactivate your online status during the game? Seems suspect to me, a villager would not feel the need to. When I realised benny was using this info against the wolves when he was seer, I was a villager, and I waited until the game finished before I deactivated, because I knew that an observant villager would point this out and I would probably get lynched. Why did you do it?

[OngBonga]

Are you asking gator for advice?

[GatorJH]

Hmmm... maybe it's just me. Does no one else see that Gator left out a night of look ups while he was fabricating that list?

Nice try wolfy. This is day 5 so we just wrapped up night 4 (or night 5 if you count night 0).

You should be able to figure out the rest from there.

[supa]

How in the hell am I a wolf if Gator is?

Omfg, Gator gets some heat on him, fake outs as the medium, and you guys stop putting any pressure on him and start going after eachother, aloowing him to play perfectly.

[OngBonga]

How in the hell am I a wolf if Gator is?

Mainly because he's trying to get you lynched. This would give him huge cred if you are a wolf and if he gets to an endgame with lolz and someone else. It's about the best chance he has if he is indeed a wolf.

[supa]

Nice try wolfy. This is day 5 so we just wrapped up night 4 (or night 5 if you count night 0).

You should be able to figure out the rest from there.

Glad you finally figured that out, if you realized this before you made your last post it might have had some merit.

[supa]

So it makes sense for the last 2 wolves to get eachother lynched at this point in the game?

[OngBonga]

Not that I think you're a wolf, supa, you're my next choice after gator and shotty at this moment.

[supa]

I want some of what Ong is smoking.

[OngBonga]

So it makes sense for the last 2 wolves to get eachother lynched at this point in the game?

Yes. You're not both getting lynched today, are you?

[supa]

No, prolly just me lol.

[OngBonga]

Well, you're not my preference for today. I really think we should lynch one of the "mediums" so we remove the confusion about who's been looked up and who hasn't.

[Shotglass]

Are you asking gator for advice?

No. I'm at work. Some of us do have jobs and can't sit around smoking all day (as much as we'd like too)

So what if I did deactivate my status?
My choice had nothing to do with this game. Well, actually it did, now that more people than just supa and those that hang out in the drunk thread know that I'm a woman.
I don't see it as a big friggin deal because I don't ever plan to re-activate it.

[GatorJH]

Glad you finally figured that out, if you realized this before you made your last post it might have had some merit.

I posted the sequence of events and left the simple math up to everyone else.

Your post smells like panic wolf to me (which would be gg village if you get lynched today).

[supa]

Was talking about your "lynch supa" post where you could have made a case for yourself but failed to do so. Setting me up as a panicked wolf is just fucking silly coz there wasn't any heat on me before I started calling you out. Silly Gator.

[OngBonga]

lynch gator

We have to do this, guys and gal. If we leave both lolz and gator alone, the wolves will simply leave the medium alive, and we still don't know who the medium is.

Best case scenario... gator is a wolf, lolz gets nommed, we have 7 villagers against 1 wolf, giving us 3 days to find him/her.

Worst case scenario... gator is a villager, a villager gets nommed, tomorrow we lynch lolz, another villager gets nommed, we're left with 5 villagers against 1 wolf, giving us 2 days to find he wolf.

If we leave them both alive, we rely on a successful scan, which we don't know the chances of... that's if the dead villager looks up a wolf. We could easily end up at a final day with two people claiming to be the medium, and an obvious villager, basically giving the wolves a 50-50 chance of winning.

We have to find out who the medium is.

[Ragnar4]

I disagree. Lolzzz early outing was terribad... It caused several other early outings. Gator is good for the village if hes the seer, and dead tomorrow if hes not. Lynching lolz or gator really has a zero sum outcome because if we get it right and lynch the wolf... The other dies tonight.

Also. Gators list becomes huge in this game last time i ran with him and i fake drunk outted to win. That was his idea... He also provided the idea to "balance" my list by providing a wolf among the sheep so to speak. Since a villager was hanged to test the list. It gave the others this partial immunity for a while. Im too lazy to look back and see whose on the list right now. But imo gators outing as the medium with a deluge of info is the perfect way to win as the medium and the perfect way to cost the wolves a win.

Lolzzz has mishandled his medium duties all along. Should he be the medium its been badbadbad. My last lynch was 100 based on his reccomendation. Youll excuse me if im a tad gunshy to listen to the shit hes churning again.

[OngBonga]

Fair enough rag, so long as we lynch either lolz or gator, I'm happy we can win this, I just think gator is the most likely wolf.

[OngBonga]

Lynching lolz or gator really has a zero sum outcome because if we get it right and lynch the wolf... The other dies tonight.

This I don't agree with though. If we leave them both alone, the wolves have no reason to nom the medium, because we're still in the same boat tomorrow not knowing who to swing for.

[lolzzz_321]

How do people think I am not the real medium? How is gator not dead?

I CAME OUT AS THE MEDIUM LIKE 5 FRIKKIN DAYS AGO. Why did gator not come out then and say HEY YOUNG BOYS (and girls) I AM THE REAL MEDIUM LETS LYNCH LOLZZZ (aka TRIPTANES) SO WE CAN HAVE A FUCKIN MILLION TO 1 VILLAGE TO WOLF RATIO WITH THE ANGEL STILL LIVING PROTECTING THE FKN SEER.

Lets lynch gator and find that last wolf tm (w/ out me, I'll be dead).

[OngBonga]

Oh wait, I'm not reading it properly... yeah if we hit the wolf today, the medium dies tonight, but that's ok when we have 7 villagers against 1 wolf.

[OngBonga]

Lets lynch gator and find that last wolf tm (w/ out me, I'll be dead).

Agree.

[lolzzz_321]

I'm from NW houston, shotglass. Hollur.

[lolzzz_321]

remember

gator = wolf
bikes = villager

[Shotglass]

I'm from NW houston, shotglass. Hollur.

Up 290 where the rich folk live?

I'm off the N freeway near the Woodlands

[lolzzz_321]

is that what they say... yep, 290 and Mason

[GatorJH]

Was talking about your "lynch supa" post where you could have made a case for yourself but failed to do so. Setting me up as a panicked wolf is just fucking silly coz there wasn't any heat on me before I started calling you out. Silly Gator.

What case would you like me to make that hasn't already been made. If you really want to know the truth go look at my posts about individuals after I found out their identities. There are plenty of "hints" that I hid in their in case I was nommed by the wolves.

As for my vote for you, I have been saying for three days that I thought you were a wolf so my vote for you shouldn't seem shocking.

[Shotglass]

Here's my count. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
Lolzzz - 2 (shotglass, Ragnar)
Gator - 4 (lolzzz, supa, wuf, ong)
Supa - 2 (gator, tlr)

leaving bikes and hoopy undecided.

The way I see it, and assuming that bikes and hoopy stay quiet; if we can get to 4 on 4: lolzzz vs gator or supa vs gator then we let the flip decide it. Because evidently we as a village won't see eye to eye about this.

[lolzzz_321]

Ok shotglass, can you please change your vote to gator?

Gator, since you're the real medium, why didn't you out yourself when I outted myself?

[TLR]

Lynching Gator makes close to no sense, because if the wolves do not eat the seer they take the risk of the real seer finding a wolf and then it is game over for them, since the list suspects is not that long it is a very logical scenario

So the wolves will probably have to go for the seer

[lolzzz_321]

or we eat gator and have 7 - 1 advantage going into the next day?

As opposed to hanging me and going into it 6-2?

I guess supa and gators banter is kinda suspicious.

[lolzzz_321]

TLR, you seem kinda smart, why did gator not out himself when I outted myself as the medium like 8,000 days ago? The village would have had a huge advantage with lookups and the angel still protecting him.

[lolzzz_321]

Shotglass, you seem kinda dumb, why did gator not out himself when I outted myself as the medium like 8,000 days ago? The village would have had a huge advantage with lookups and the angel still protecting him.

[lolzzz_321]

To anyone not voting for gator, you seem kinda smart, why did gator not out himself when I outted myself as the medium like 8,000 days ago? The village would have had a huge advantage with lookups and the angel still protecting him.

[supa]

What case would you like me to make that hasn't already been made. If you really want to know the truth go look at my posts about individuals after I found out their identities. There are plenty of "hints" that I hid in their in case I was nommed by the wolves.

As for my vote for you, I have been saying for three days that I thought you were a wolf so my vote for you shouldn't seem shocking.

Ok, went thru some of the thread to see if I could find your hints. Looks like you did a great job of doing your homework. Hears the thing, maybe you can clear it up. If you talked to wilbur, who died on night one, and who was the other person besides bigred you could have contacted that night (important point kids), and who told you wuf was a villager, then why did you jump on wufs band wagon toward the end, almost putting the nail in his coffin?

Just fucking arrooo already.

[Ragnar4]

Because it gives him info. No one would look you up. It increases his odds of getting another wolf. Mostly unharassed. Ot also gives him a uniqe spin on the info you spit out.