Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
lulz i guess technically it is either more than 15:1 or less than 15:1.

i didn't list the 3 reasons i had in mind. the fact that we're not even getting 10:1 OOP is only one of the reasons.

and i wouldn't word it as "the jury's still out on setmining odds." the reason the jury's still out is because there's no magical odds that apply always. the odds needed to call from the SB facing a BU open 200bb's deep from a good tagg reg who has an ATS of 90% with an aggressive shorty in the BB is ASTRONOMICALLY different from the odds needed when facing an UTG open from a positionally aware nit with 2 callers when we're on the BU 75bb's deep.

don't resort to this 12:1 vs 20:1 vs 8:1 vs 15:1 crap
Perhaps my wording was bad but what i mean is in some situations 10-1 implied odds is plenty good enough. In other situations 15-1 may not be good enough. I guess it would be more appropriate to say their is no magical number that applies in all situations.