how do people with these numbers win?

[littleogre]

As i'm sure you all know micro stakes are full of people with numbers that look like this. 60/3/7. Most of them are way down but some actually win. I assume they are going bat shit when they hit a big hand and making all their money donks who stack off for over 100xbb with tptk.

[littleogre]

sorry guys i totally posted this in the wrong forum.

[Donachello]

Show me one player who can run 60/3/7 over a sample of 100k hands and still win and I'll show you a super user :P

[littleogre]

well that's gonna be kinda hard cause i don't have nearly that many hands on any one person.

[Dex]

well that's gonna be kinda hard cause i don't have nearly that many hands on any one person.

So to define one of these players with fishy stats as a winner, what kind of sample do you think is suitable?

[littleogre]

So to define one of these players with fishy stats as a winner, what kind of sample do you think is suitable?

well i think you need even more then 100k hands to be accurate at the same time though i think you can figure out if a person is a donk using a much smaller sample. If villain is 30/5/2 over a 1k sample we may not know his true win rate. We can however deduce that he is a calling station. So yes when i see a person makeing 10bb/100 playing 50/2 it could very well be variance.

[spoonitnow]

Small sample size, their opponents sucking worse than they do, etc.

[DJJunkPauds]

Use PokerTableRatings, or some such for the sample.

I really doubt there are all that many (perhaps none) players who run 60/10 with a sample size big enough to be sure about winrate positivity. I think you'd need a winrate of at least 1BB/100 over half a million hands to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that such a player is winning. Players who run like that tend to be 1 or 2 tabling for less than a handful of hours a week.

I hear that there are some really solid winning players at mid stakes who run like 35/10/4.0, doing so mainly to exploit HUD using taggs, but 60/10 at microstakes isn't a winning formula.

[Micro2Macro]

Use PokerTableRatings, or some such for the sample.

I really doubt there are all that many (perhaps none) players who run 60/10 with a sample size big enough to be sure about winrate positivity. I think you'd need a winrate of at least 1BB/100 over half a million hands to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that such a player is winning. Players who run like that tend to be 1 or 2 tabling for less than a handful of hours a week.

I hear that there are some really solid winning players at mid stakes who run like 35/10/4.0, doing so mainly to exploit HUD using taggs, but 60/10 at microstakes isn't a winning formula.

yeaaa no.