10NL 4bet cold called by loose deepstack in BB on crap board

[Donachello]

Okay, so the 3-bettor was very reggy, had squeezed multiple times previously and I felt like I could steal pretty profitably here (my 4bet was probably way too big come to think of it but with multiple people still in the hand I was a little worried about making sure the others didn't continue. That said, it probably isn't exactly intelligent to 4bet re-squeeze @ 10NL OOP. Anyway. The cold caller was a 42/22/1 was NOT expected and naturally the flop comes down leaving me with a pretty wtf decision due to the fucked up potsize (another bad thing about my large 4bet.)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($5.06)
CO ($14.88)
Button ($10)
Hero (SB) ($14)
BB ($36.01)
UTG ($4.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
1 fold, MP bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Button raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $4.60, BB calls $4.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($11.40) 5, 10, 5 (2 players)

Total pot: $11.40

Just for the whole picture. The original raiser was a SSing weak player and the CO was a 54/0 total fish who is never calling. Just looking back on it my 4bet sizing sucks for so many reasons so let me ask two questions.

1) what do you do as played?
2) what do you do if the 4bet is more like 3.20 with the same flop?

**EDIT**

After sleeping on it I have this to add. I mean he's just an idiot in general but I doubt he's cold calling a 4bet with anything worse than 99+, AQs+. and certainly no pair smaller than 99. Out of those hands he's only folding 99 AK and the non-heart (only maybe though since he's come this far with it already) and AQs which is only a total of 6+12+3 = 21 hands. He certainly calls with AQhh, TT+ which = 1+3+6+6+3+3 = 22. So it's really effing close as far as pure bluffing goes. But I included some really questionable hands in both ranges. I can't be that certain he CCs a 4bet with 99 or AQs or even AK. I also can't be certain he CCs a 4bet with AA or KK because I would think vs this much aggression he would maybe be shoving preflop half the time but then again he only had a 1 AGf.

So for arguments sake let's take out AQs, 99, AKo, and AA from his calling range pre.
That puts him on the following ranges. Fold: 2 hands. Call: 18. Obviously at this point it's a clear c/f which blows but saves me 100BB. It's just I don't know if I can put a total monkey with a deepstack on that small of a range.

I still like the idea of the squeeze steal by me in this spot with this hand, just not sure if maybe it'd have been better to bet a little smaller or just shove over which might have looked a tad bluffy. fwiw I feel like the monkey might have called a shove anyway so I dunno. I'm probably leaning towards shoving though at this point because the pot is going to be so big regardless and I have decent equity if I go in before the flop vs. what I could estimate his calling range as. So that was probably my main mistake here.

[Schiplt]

Excellent analysis. I don't see anyone cold calling a super strong four bet with anything less than QQ+, even if he is a donk. AK people just want to get in pre. AA and KK they want to trap with and QQ maybe he's just too station-y to get it in pre vs your aggression. I c/f this flop because I think its the safer of the two options, and its a place where his range is dominating yours. By shoving you're just hoping for the best without having any decent reason to do so.
That being said and forgetting what your hole cards are, a 4bet here is a decent preflop bluff in a vacuum. (Is this rush?)
-Mit

[texa8]

yes nice analysis of the hand.

imo his range is easily strong enough to check/fold.

the play pre-flop is deffinately +EV.. i like $4 FTW

[surviva316]

kinda shitty that this hand got ignored because the BC should be all about HH's:

i talk about preflop sizing a lot in a lot of threads, so i don't know how in depth i wanna get here, but your sizing is omgwtf humongous. i mean we're OOP and his sizing is bigger than what we'll usually run into in a 3b situation, but i still think 4b'ing to 3.00 should be good.

when it comes to 4b sizing the basic idea is to do it to an amount that is low enough so that you aren't ever committing to balance it with your bluffing range (so basically, when you're 100bb's deep, making it 30bb's is like the biggest you can ever make it against a thinking reg...but then again, it's 10nl), yet big enough so that they can't profitably call with PP's, SC's, etc for the times you have AA.

so an example would be if you open OTB for 3bb's and 3b'ing lite villain resteals to 10bb's, we can make our 4b anywhere from 20bb's-30bb's isn't terrible (20bb's gives him 10:1 OOP, and 30bb's doesn't really commit us). i tend to make it like 22bb's with my bluffs, knowing that he can call OOP with 44 against our K8o all he wants, and he's getting 0 implied odds, and make it like 24b's with our A range, trying to make sure he's making a noticeable mistake when he takes his bad odds to call. when you're OOP, you basically have to give him like 7:1 odds for it to not be profitable to call with a ridiculous range, so it's much much harder to maneuver, so it takes some kind of extreme dynamic to get involved in this scenario.

obv, though, AKo agianst a squeezer is no time to be shy, so a 4b to 3.00 seems good.

as played, i have NO fooking clue what to do, especially given we're kinda sorta a little bit deep.

proper sizing PF would allow us to make like a 1/3 PSB bet here or something, and you'd be amazed at how many folds that gets in these spots. obv our equity in the cases where he doesn't fold