Over 10k hands, please help me find some leaks.

[Fedora]

Ever since I moved up to $10nl, I can't seem to build my bankroll, Its just hovering around even. I know there has to be some leaks in my game, so if anyone can give me any possible ideas on how to fix them, that would be great.

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[philly and the phanatics]

looks to my like your limping too much esp. from the cut off....oh and your UTG numbers need to go way down, why are you playing so much from there?

stop open limping - raise or fold, raise instead of overlimping more
in earlier positions you can fold a few more hands, and raise a few more in the later positions

also don't play crap from the small blind, I mean you're OOP for the rest of the hand so it should have at least some potential

[Monty3038]

For those who are not as familiar with the PT3 stats, (I haven't played much in a few months so I'm trying to remember, so including me), please correct me if I'm wrong...

Button
1 = Cut-Off
2 = LP
etc.
6=UTG

Correct? Or do I have the position numbers backwards... I think they are right...

[Fedora]

I actually don't know why my UTG numbers are soo high, i'm limping pocket pairs and raising AJ+ and 99+.
And about limping, so if i'm in middle or late position, and I have a suited connector, should i not limp it? Should I raise with it?
And also, what about calling raises. If say I have AQo and someone from middle position raises 4x bb, and he's a medium tight player, should I reraise him, call, or lay it down??

[Monty3038]

I actually don't know why my UTG numbers are soo high, i'm limping pocket pairs and raising AJ+ and 99+.
And about limping, so if i'm in middle or late position, and I have a suited connector, should i not limp it? Should I raise with it?
And also, what about calling raises. If say I have AQo and someone from middle position raises 4x bb, and he's a medium tight player, should I reraise him, call, or lay it down??

I'm interested in the responses to this limping SCs and others from LP question... (when studying harder back months ago when I played more,) my general understanding was that if you are willing to enter a hand with it, especially opening the hand with it (first to bet) you should be confident enough in it to raise...

Similar to the advice I have heard regarding small pocket pairs, raising them when appropriate, just as you would with QQ+ in some positions, kind of as a defense/offense move (I know that made no sense but I'm having a hard time finding the right description)

^ What they said.

You're playing too many hands. And from those hands you're not raising enough. This equals loose-passive which basically means you're a fish - a break even fish - but a fish nonetheless. Your pre-flop games needs work. Perhaps this post might help you.

[jyms]

You can't make enough money on SC by just limping and trying to hit hands. The boards are usually too coordinated for people to stack off on for small pots. You need to supplement them by taking down a lot of Cbets after raising preflop.

As for your stats, you limp far too much. What do you think they think when you limp preflop UTG and then come alive after the flop. Pretty easy to see you have a set. If you raise UTG it's even easier to play you from position. Also, why do you have such a large 3bet from UTG. is that a mistake or are you limp/3betting? If you are, then stop. Lastly you Cbet too much. Cbet the better hands after the flop and the worst hands after the flop. Stop C/betting hands that can't really improve, but may be good at showdown. middle pairs are a good example.

Don't play AJ in FR UTG, your probably not going to like getting to showdown vs all the Nits playing AQ+ and PP's for set value when flopping an A.

Lastly, NEVER open limp. Calling a raise and open limping are completely separate. If you haven't seen the GS vid on Gap theory then maybe you should search it out. JGB did it.

Nice post Jyms. I dig all your vids on GS by the way and I agree about AJ. I hate that hand from anything farther out than the HJ.

Check out the article on SCs on GS. I'm not sure if it's available to non-members though.

[Fedora]

Ok, so basically limp less, and play less hands from early position. Thanks for all the help.
So what should I do about smalll pocket pairs in early position?? Should I raise with them?
And also, what about suited connectors in middle or late position, do I raise with them as well?

Small pairs are either a raise or fold for me in EP. By raising, you're hand isn't as transparent if you would have limp/called and came alive later in the hand. Plus you can take it down with a cbet on favorable boards (i.e. - A95r). Check out Renton's 169 hand guide in the FR digest for more info.

[surviva316]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...rs-t66631.html

basically, that tiny little two-paragraph section "When to Limp Behind" is really the only time you should be limping ever (i'm sure there are exceptions, but you can breeze through 10NL without ever knowing or caring about any justification for ever limping other than what's in that article).

i, of course, also recommend blind stealing 101 (and 102) which'll help with being more vicious when you have the wonderful opportunity of being in LP (as opposed to being a 34/18 fish OTB)

[surviva316]

I'm interested in what you said here, as my pf strategy involves a lot of limping behind with sc's. When you say raising pf, do you mean that one should try opening them from the BTN/CO, raising behind 1-2 limpers, or raising behind 3-5 limpers? Because I do the former, but I limp behind limpers.

as always, it depends. if there are 3 limpers, all of whom have a stack size of 40bb's and never fold to cbets, it's really a totally different spot from them being 80bb's, 120bb's and 200bb's deep and two of them are 40/10 with 80+ fold to cbet and the other one has limp/folded 3 times over 50 hands. things like image, opponents' aggressiveness and, of course, which set of suited connectors you actually hold are all factors as well.

under most circumstances, when there are 3+ limpers and you're at a table where you're the only one who's ever heard of the word ranges, i'm sure that either or is +EV, but table conditions affect which is more optimal. the bigger issue is that OP plays more TAgg, positionally-aware poker in general.

also, i'd stop limping low PP's so much. that is just one of the many ways that Renton's 123 guide to FR is flawed/outdated/short-sighted (i like the article in general though for n00bs). i'll PFR 22-55 a certain percentage of the time UTG, when the table conditions are perfect for me to just run everyone to my left over, and fold them the other 90% of the times. please don't limp 88 in EP

[Monty3038]

also, i'd stop limping low PP's so much. that is just one of the many ways that Renton's 123 guide to FR is flawed/outdated/short-sighted (i like the article in general though for n00bs). i'll PFR 22-55 a certain percentage of the time UTG, when the table conditions are perfect for me to just run everyone to my left over, and fold them the other 90% of the times. please don't limp 88 in EP

I'm in agreement with the low PP's but while I agree raising them PF is the best move, there is a wide variety of percentages and table scenarios here... on looser tables your percentage of raising them drops considerably... I'm struggling though with finding good spots to fold them... letting them go when you are UTG is a tough call sometimes, but with good reads it seems to be easier.

[daven]

you are limping/calling too much from late position. Probably suited junk.
You are stealing too infrequently from cutoff.
stop open limping, if you never open limp you aren't losing much value
stop calling/completing from the small blind - yeah, 1/2 a bb to call - but ffs it's T2o. And don't be calling raises from the blinds much, playing out of position sucks.

you may also be 3-betting too much, kinda hard to tell though.


Take this with a grain of salt, i've just had to move down in stakes myself....
Why not try playing 1k hands where you only call raises with pocket pairs, you never open limp, you only 3-bet QQ+/AK, if you limp behind then you only call a small raise sometimes, and only with position on the raiser and at least 100bb effective. Oh, and fold Qxs and Jxs every time it's not connected - and even then most of the time.

[Fedora]

Thanks for all the help and input guys.
I just played my best session today, played 550 hands and went up $15.30 at $10nl.
I know that its still a very small sample size, but during it, i only hit one set, and suffered 2 bad beats. I found that i am definitely in less sticky situations.

So my biggest adjustments are
i am raising all pocket pairs from all positions but small and big blind.
I dropped opening hands like AJo and ATs UTG.
I stopped playing suited connectors until Cutoff or Button.
Unless I have Ak, or a pair, i'm folding to raises from the blinds.
If there is less than 2 limpers, i'll steal more with sc's and suited As from CO and Button.
I stopped Cbetting on multiway pots and against loose callers.
I think i only open limped once the whole session, and that was a suited connector against 3 limpers in front while i was on button.

I think thats most of them, let me know if there are any other things that I should try to incorporate into my game.

[philly and the phanatics]

Thanks for all the help and input guys.
I just played my best session today, played 550 hands and went up $15.30 at $10nl.
I know that its still a very small sample size, but during it, i only hit one set, and suffered 2 bad beats. I found that i am definitely in less sticky situations.

So my biggest adjustments are
i am raising all pocket pairs from all positions but small and big blind.
I dropped opening hands like AJo and ATs UTG.
I stopped playing suited connectors until Cutoff or Button.
Unless I have Ak, or a pair, i'm folding to raises from the blinds.
If there is less than 2 limpers, i'll steal more with sc's and suited As from CO and Button.
I stopped Cbetting on multiway pots and against loose callers.
I think i only open limped once the whole session, and that was a suited connector against 3 limpers in front while i was on button.

I think thats most of them, let me know if there are any other things that I should try to incorporate into my game.

i hope by dropped opening hands like ajo and ATs, you mean you are open folding them and not limping them, and i would add AJs to that also....and KQ too

also i defintiely wouldnt raise ANY pp from ANY position

I think you can fold 22-55 UTG

[Fedora]

i hope by dropped opening hands like ajo and ATs, you mean you are open folding them and not limping them, and i would add AJs to that also....and KQ too

also i defintiely wouldnt raise ANY pp from ANY position

Yes, by that I do mean I am folding them, not limping. I am taking limping almost completely out of my game, except for on CO or Button with SC's and with 2+ limpers in front.

[ehkay47]

This is some solid advice, some I have recently taken myself.

It was a leak that I had (limping low-medium pp's from EP and calling for a set) but now that I have it ironed out I feel even more confident in my game.