donk potodds question

[inV1NCEble]

I've read alot articles about potodds on the internet, but something I never seem find is a quick way to figure out if you're draw is +EV.
Sure you look at the bet/(pot+bet) and at your outs, but what do you do after that?

After some fast math I came to this conclusion:
4Flushdraw: Flop: pot Turn: 1/2 pot
4Straightdraw (or double bellybuster): Flop: 3/4 pot Turn: 3/8 pot
I know this isn't exactly precise, but is it even close to the real results??

Also, when you know these do you always have to bet more then that when you want to make someone's draw to expensive. If my calculation is right that would mean that you would have to bet more than the pot everytime there are two suited cards on a board you've hit?. That can't be right.

I'm totally confused now, can anyone help me please?

[Deuce Blue]

What the hell are pododds?? Is that like the odds of getting abducted by aliens or something??

You have to know whether villian is on a draw to begin with, which isn't always easy to do, and hard to narrow down on just the flop. It isn't an exact science anyhow, since everything is extremely situational. There's times where betting 3/4 pot is optimal and there's times where betting 1/2 the pot is better. I am actually a little confused about your question so hopefully someone here can help you with the math.

[inV1NCEble]

so you just want your potodds to be less then your accual odds?

Who's odds? I'm not even sure what you're asking now. Are you talking about reverse pot/implied odds? Protection betting? I'm confused again...

[inV1NCEble]

Ok thx alot and sorry if I didn't make myself very clear. It was kinda late when I wrote this

[birdman417]

very nicely explained nish!

would you be willing to send that ebook to others?
I would like to read it also.

TIA

[Stacks]

(1) Figure your equity. With say a flush draw on the flop you have a 18% chance of hitting on the next card. This is equivalent to approx 4:1 (80/20).

(2) Determine the equity needed to make a call profitable. There are numerous ways to do this. One would be to just take the pot odds. Another is done by (amount to call) / (pot + amount to call).

(A) Pot odds method. The pot is $20, and villain bets $7. The pot is now $27, and you must call $7. This is very close to 4:1, and therefore with a flush draw on the flop, you have the correct immediate pot odds to call to see the turn cards.

(B) (amount to call) / (pot + amount to call). Using the same example above, the pot is $20, and villain bets $7. The amount you need to call is $7. The pot is now $27. So your formula would look like (7)/(27 + 7) or 7/34, which means in order for a call to be correct based off of immediate pot odds alone, you would need 7/34 = 21% equity.

Both methods produce the same results. Just one is in %, and the other is in a ratio.

Note - Just because you don't have immediate pot odds, doesn't mean a call is -EV. Implied odds play a very large role in NLHE, and should be taken into account also. Say in the above example, villain bets $10 into a $20 pot. The pot is now $30 and you must call $10, so you are only getting 3:1 pot odds. However, a call is profitable if you when you hit on the turn you can extract another $10 from the villain.

[inV1NCEble]

Thx stacks, but I've already read the book nish send. It's the only book about math in HE that accually made sence to me. It cleared up a lot I was confused about reading in other books and it refreshed the things I already knew.
THANKS NISH