1/2 JJ on BTN to induce

[bspahn]

1nv1s1bl3 is 19/15/2.9 with 3bet 8%

juergen238 is 58/35/4.4 (60 hands)

people have been generally 3betting and squeezing all day on the site and this guy is no exception.

I flatted Juergen to induce and felt he's calling very wide from the CO so I made my hand look like either 77-TT or something like AJ/AQ.

do you think this was OK pre?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG julit ($196.00)
CO juergen238 ($295.60)
BTN Hero ($199.00)
SB 1nv1s1bl3 ($226.00)
BB Big-gum ($362.90)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, juergen238 raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 1nv1s1bl3 raises to $28, 1 fold, juergen238 calls $21, Hero raises to $114, 1nv1s1bl3 raises to $226, juergen238 folds, Hero calls $85

Final Pot: $455

[mixchange]

With the button, I don't see why you want to 4bet out of sync like this. Just flat. When people do this out of sync 4bet over a squeeze they have a mid PP every time almost and its easy for the other guy to get it in even with AQo, so I don't really get what you are doing... id like this if you had AA/KK

I'd also 3bet pre (3x)

[bspahn]

like i said, i flatted pre because i felt when a guy 8% 3bets (which is a lot to me since i'm around 5-6% and I sure know I 3bet quite a lot of junk in general) I could INDUCE some squeeze action and take down a good pot preflop by playing JJ this way.

Also when I play it this way it looks like I have a weaker hand than I do, and I was hoping that if the squeezer had a hand like AT/AJ/77-TT type hands he'd stack off. Is this just retarded?

[mixchange]

yes, its silly logic overall. you can only really profitably do what you are describing with AA/KK, and sometimes AK is fine too unless it's versus some complete fish maniac

[dsaxton]

yes, its silly logic overall. you can only really profitably do what you are describing with AA/KK, and sometimes AK is fine too unless it's versus some complete fish maniac

How do you figure this? I think this hand is fine, and just calling when it comes back to him seems pretty bad.

[Galapogos]

Your 4bet size is bizarre. There is zero chance he could convince himself you're trying to steal this preflop. I know it's super unlikely you would try that here but people are stupid. Just shove.

yeah I pretty much always just either call squeezes or shove over them I never 4b small because he has over 10% of his stack already in the pot so if we 4b small we're never folding to a shove even if we're bluffing
like unless you're going to 4b to exactly a minraise and bluff him post-flop

[bspahn]

so i think in the end i should keep this simple and just 3bet the fishy guy, i can probably find a fold to a cold 4bet from the guy behind me with KK..

IF you decided to FLAT pre and then FLAT the squeeze, what board textures other than set or oesd type boards will you stack off on? (obviously not if it comes 9xx and squeezer bets hard and fish shoves)

[Silly String]

I think this was played fine pre, but I see mixchange's point about the value of doing this w/KK instead of JJ.
I wouldn't induce the SB unless he has a large squeeze number or a larger 3bet% like 15+%. I just don't think it's worth letting 1 fish & possibly 2 other villains see the flop for cheap vs my JJ which is vulnerable multi-way. I'd rather build a big pot vs a loose stationy fish with a top 5 holding.

[mixchange]

so i think in the end i should keep this simple and just 3bet the fishy guy, i can probably find a fold to a cold 4bet from the guy behind me with KK..

IF you decided to FLAT pre and then FLAT the squeeze, what board textures other than set or oesd type boards will you stack off on? (obviously not if it comes 9xx and squeezer bets hard and fish shoves)

id probably not stack off on the flop (thats worse than shipping pre imo). he's mostly going to be cbetting and giving up most of the time if we're ahead. if he has unpaired cards that is 2/3s of flops, so decent value.


but ya, just 3bet pre. sometimes it makes other decisions simple, like if you then get cold 4bet

[bspahn]

an interesting point from a post here is squeeze, i dont know where to find this in the HEM popup stats when I'm playing with regs... i just see 3bet and from most of the players on this site anything over 7% 3bet is pretty high. there's only a couple guys that are 10 or higher, most are in my range of 4-6%

[mixchange]

yes, its silly logic overall. you can only really profitably do what you are describing with AA/KK, and sometimes AK is fine too unless it's versus some complete fish maniac

How do you figure this? I think this hand is fine, and just calling when it comes back to him seems pretty bad.

I hate turning my cards face up and allowing my opponent to play perfectly, which is what resqueezing in this spot does