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About the first hand you posted, I wouln't worry too much about the flush... With that kind of flop, you'll probably be facing trips or two pairs by the time you get to the showdown, which you already beat.
Your main concern should be to find a way to put all of your money in the pot without frightening your opponents. You've got 1,68 $ left by the turn. Go with at least a 0,50 $ bet. You'll be able to push the rest in on the river.
The fact that you have position limits the implied odds of your opponents (if a third spade comes in and they bet strong on the river, you can always fold. Thus, they'd get a 2,50 $ pot for a 0,50 $ bet, or 5:1, which is about the odds they have of hitting that spade). If they keep calling the turn, I'd say they have already some made hands (even more so if they both keep playing), so you should be fine.
Everyone seems to be arguing for a larger flop bet. What is the point? He's got the nut after the flop, what's the urge to go strong? Look like a bluff so he gets called more often? If some of the other posters could expend on their answer, I'd love to read their reasoning and thought process.
On the second hand, your bet should be based on your evaluation of the chances your opponent has a bigger flush than yours. If your opponent doesn't have the flush, he'll probably fold if you bet anything bigger than 0,15 $ (that, or he'll try to bluff you). If he does have it, you could very well face a raise if you bet. So you should consider your reaction to a raise if you choose to bet.
Personnaly, I'd go with a small bet (about 0,15 $) and see what he does. If he overreacts with a shove, I'd call, thinking he bluffs. If he goes with a smaller raise (between 0,30 $ and 0,50 $), I'd start thinking and maybe fold... the problem with a flop like that one (3 cards of the same suit) is that everyone can easily represent the flush.
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Trivial bet sizing question - extracting value
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Originally Posted by daven
