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    Default Your instapush means what?

    Villain is loose somewhat regular who runs 31/15/2.
    Only note of worth to this hand is:
    c/c 3 street w/ Ax on AQ7s flop

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    MP ($97)
    CO ($106.50)
    Hero ($125.60)
    SB ($90.70)
    BB ($100)
    UTG ($227)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A.
    3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2.

    Flop: ($9) 3, 8, Q (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $18, BB folds, Hero calls $12.

    Turn: ($45) 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $34, SB calls $34.

    River: ($113) K (2 players)
    SB bets $35.7 (All-In), Hero ??

    River was an insta-pooooosh. Now, can I fold getting over 4:1 on my money?
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    Crying fold I think. There's a remote chance you're still winning but that line looks sooooo much like the club draw. I really can't even figure what else he could have that you're ahead of. I know the pot odds are tempting but I'd be inclined to save myself the $35.70.

    By the way - my soul read says he had the flush draw and was planning to push whether he hit or not.
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    Yea club sucks. I fold and thank the guy for playing so transparently. If this river wasn't a club I'd snap call ldo.

    Also if you think he's making a play I don't think he's capable.
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    With a vpip of 30 and an agg of 2, i can see QJ/KQ doing this too. He's pretty aggressive with his wide range, and maybe he felt pot stuck, so when the K hit the riv he decided to gamb0l.
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    Would you bet the turn bigger/smaller to make this decision easier?
    My plan was to b/f the turn as I had him mostly on FD's w/ a small chance of a set after his turn check?
    On the river I don't beat anything but a bluff and I don't think this guy is smart enough to turn a made hand(Qx) into a bluff, but getting 4:1 on my money I just don't know if he bluffs 20% of the time here? But I sure hate folding a $150 pot for $36.
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    Hmm, that's a tough question. You could pot the turn and then you're truly pot-stuck & don't mind getting it in as much on the river, regardless of what falls. I wouldn't want to bet much less than you did because why give this idiot anything like chasing odds? I don't think you want to check the turn either - he has draws and the occasional worse queen enough (considering just actions through the turn) that you should be protecting and extracting value in that spot.
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    I'm reraising the flop and shoving the turn.
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    I think b/3betting this flop allows the villain to make the right decision too often. Dissenters?
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    I like how you played it, I'd do the same and fold river. I think he has the flush about always and could beat you with a weird KQ as well. I just don't think he has air enough, despite the odds.
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    The only hand that makes sense that he'd place this way is 8x clubs. Maybe JT, or 9T of clubs as well.

    His raise on the flop then c/c of the turn is kinda weird.

    I think a fold is fine, but honestly if he's a regular as you suggest, I might call this off with pot odds just for the information on how he's playing certain hands, since this isn't a really conventional line.

    But on it's own, fold is probably correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
    Would you bet the turn bigger/smaller to make this decision easier?
    My plan was to b/f the turn as I had him mostly on FD's w/ a small chance of a set after his turn check?
    On the river I don't beat anything but a bluff and I don't think this guy is smart enough to turn a made hand(Qx) into a bluff, but getting 4:1 on my money I just don't know if he bluffs 20% of the time here? But I sure hate folding a $150 pot for $36.

    you were going to b/f to a minraise on the turn, and now you want to call this river? wat
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    I don't know about the b/f. That was the initial plan, but I just see so many FD's in his range that I couldn't be sure. I would have had to interpret bet-size(I'm more likely to call CRAI than CminR) and timing/feel to determine if turn was a stack off or b/f. I guess the flop raise kinda takes b/f'ing turns out of play huh?
    What would you do? What do you feel about my play? It is hard to put him on enough monster hands to fold here.
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    there is a $1.70 difference between a c/minr and c/shove so surely you cannot vary your play based on turn raise sizing. I like the flop call with the intention of getting it in on good turns. Turn is an easy bet/call, and river has got to be a fold.
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    TYVM, for the quick response Nuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    there is a $1.70 difference between a c/minr and c/shove so surely you cannot vary your play based on turn raise sizing.
    Good point. I guess I wasn't remembering how short he was when responding & I was working off of memory. That is my thought process in general in that situation vs a deeper stack anyway.
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    What about a turn shove? You can get called by worse, and if you're betting you're not folding. Plus, you get to go all in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    What about a turn shove? You can get called by worse, and if you're betting you're not folding. Plus, you get to go all in!
    This is why i like the reraise on the flop and shove the turn to a non scare card. If villian wants to pay $45 for one last card it's fine w/me.
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