Id like to discuss another thread hand..

[celtic123]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...nl-t73013.html


Button ($11.38)
Hero ($5.45)
BB ($8.65)
UTG ($5.95)
UTG+1 ($8.74)
MP1 ($6.42)
MP2 ($9.93)
CO ($6.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with As Ts
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, MP1 calls $0.12, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold.

............ I would have folded that preflop as most would suggest ....................

Now I can see why ponyboy would have folded preflop, because ATs doesnt meet the starting hand criteria. Fair enough.

But say the betting had of gone...

(HERO HOLDS ATs)

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, MP1 ALL IN, 3 folds, Hero ???

Would people here go ALL IN ?

I feel i would.

[sil693]

do you enjoy taking money out of your wallet and introducing it to bare naked flames?

[miracleriver]

what range do you put MP1 on that would make a call profitable? How about utg+1 still left to act? Do you expect/want him to call?

[bigred]

What are reads on Mp1? He needs to be an 80/60 maniac for me to ever consider calling this? It's only AT so you're probably a conflip at best.

[Stacks]

Why would you be more tempted to call an all-in here than a standard raise??? That makes no sense. In the second example they have shown even more strength, and it costs you even more money to play your hand.

Okay to see that this is a bad play think of it this way. UTG+1 has opened for a raise, saying I have a somewhat good hand that I like. MP1 then shoves over the top saying he has an even better hand. You ATs does not fair well against this type of action. You are very likely dominated and at most drawing to 3 or so outs (not including your flush, but that is fairly rare).

Now in the original hand I would personally still fold preflop. I might consider calling on the BU playing postflop only if I hit 2 pr or my flush draw, if I was certain original raiser would stack off. But I'm def not calling here in the SB where I would have to play oop. The same reasoning applies as with your hypothetical hand. There is a good chance you are behind already and the odds of you flopping your flush/draw isn't strong enough to call in this instance.