Hand evaluation

[Mishra100]

How could I continue pushing the pot with 5 people in the pot? >_< From what I've read I should have pushed more pre-flop but I was just playing a tight game because blinds were low.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J. SB posts a blind of 50.
UTG calls, Hero raises 200, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2, 8, 2[ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 100, Hero folds, CO folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 5 (2 players)
SB bets, UTG calls.

River: K (2 players)
SB bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot:

[Mishra100]

These are micro sit and gos at pokerstars. This one was a real tough call... This was a player that was playing in a few hands in the beginning of the tourney. I also beat him on 2 previous hands by good pressure so I called thinking maybe he thought I was a crazy bluffer. I limped pre-flop because I limp cards that I can make powerful 2pair+ and raise 4-5XBB on big cards.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9s Ad SB posts a blind of 25.
Hero calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: Ah 9h Jh (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 350, MP calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: Js (2 players)
Hero bets 500, MP raises all-in, Hero calls 1295 (All-In).

River: 4h (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot:

[jyms]

I think there is a lot of basic concepts here that you misunderstand. It's not meant to be harsh but I really think you have a lot to learn. If I was you, I would go watch these two video's then come back and tell us what went wrong. Having us tell you will not improve you nearly as quickly.


http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-v...deo-NHT010.php

http://www.grinderschool.com/show_vi...JGB1&free=true

[Mishra100]

I'm showing you the worst hands I've played on purpose. Please evaluate the plays.

[Mishra100]

Thanks for the videos BTW... I read and watch anything... Watching entire tables is actually something I really wanted to see.

[bode]

hand 1) why did you fold the flop? folding an overpair here is horrible. raise. raise. raise.

hand 2) open limping under the gun is not a good play. period. if you never open limp a hand UTG, you wont be missing out on money. either raise or fold. limping a hand because "you can make a strong 2 pair + hand" isnt a reason to do it, i can make a strong 2 pair + hand w/ 72o, but im not going to limp it utg.

[jyms]

I'm showing you the worst hands I've played on purpose. Please evaluate the plays.

Sorry. You may think these hands are the worst you have played but I would bet that's because you are being results oriented. There is some fundamental mistakes in both the play and your reasoning for how you played these hands. What bode said above is true.

In hand one you had on overpair in a 1000 chip pot and folded to a 100chip bet. you cannot fold to this bet with ATC (any two cards) because of pot odds alone. Teh fact that you have no idea, or give a read on what you think this person has is just poor play, and I would guess you have done this many times in the past. If I saw you fold to this bet, I would bet every hand you tried to play against me, knowing you fold to such weak bets. Folding an 11:1 on the river with K high would be a mistake, why are you folding here?
In hand 2 you limped UTG to catch 2pair? Do you know the odds of flopping 2 pair or better? Have you ever checked? Do you know what it tells your opponents when you limp? Waht do you raise with? Lastly, do you even understand how many hands you are losing to on the turn here? When the J pairs the board you should be trying to see this showdown as cheap as possible. What hands would possibly call this bet that you beat? Do you think ATo is calling? What hands do you beat that would shove over your turn bet?

This is not meant to be harsh either, but I really think you could use some time reading this site. Keep posting hands either here or in the S&G forum.

GL

[bjsaust]

Post stack sizes as well in the future.

I dont fold hand 1 ever, especially to such a tiny bet.

Hand 2 you should have folded pre-flop.

I'd head to the SnG forum, read through the stickies and post some hands there for feedback. Also use the tourney trimmer and post a whole tourney, at this stage the feedback on that will probably be the single biggest improvement you'll get to your game.

[Mishra100]

hand 1) why did you fold the flop? folding an overpair here is horrible. raise. raise. raise.

I folded because I didn't expect 5 people to call the re-raise. In my opinion I should have not bet a minimum raise.

hand 2) open limping under the gun is not a good play. period. if you never open limp a hand UTG, you wont be missing out on money. either raise or fold. limping a hand because "you can make a strong 2 pair + hand" isnt a reason to do it, i can make a strong 2 pair + hand w/ 72o, but im not going to limp it utg.

I understand why most of you said this. Honestly, although you may think I'm this crazy new person to poker, I don't normally limp hands... And I realize what I said tipped you all off which is okay. I haven't done much poker forum evaluations to know how to communicate.

Please imagine the play as being me re-raise 3 times the big blind trying to steal the blinds and someone calling resulting in the play. Is a 300 bet post flop and 500 bet on the turn (even though I don't have many outs) a good play? Then I should have folded due to the outs my opponent could have had?

[Mishra100]

I'm showing you the worst hands I've played on purpose. Please evaluate the plays.

Sorry. You may think these hands are the worst you have played but I would bet that's because you are being results oriented. There is some fundamental mistakes in both the play and your reasoning for how you played these hands. What bode said above is true.

In hand one you had on overpair in a 1000 chip pot and folded to a 100chip bet. you cannot fold to this bet with ATC (any two cards) because of pot odds alone. Teh fact that you have no idea, or give a read on what you think this person has is just poor play, and I would guess you have done this many times in the past. If I saw you fold to this bet, I would bet every hand you tried to play against me, knowing you fold to such weak bets. Folding an 11:1 on the river with K high would be a mistake, why are you folding here?
In hand 2 you limped UTG to catch 2pair? Do you know the odds of flopping 2 pair or better? Have you ever checked? Do you know what it tells your opponents when you limp? Waht do you raise with? Lastly, do you even understand how many hands you are losing to on the turn here? When the J pairs the board you should be trying to see this showdown as cheap as possible. What hands would possibly call this bet that you beat? Do you think ATo is calling? What hands do you beat that would shove over your turn bet?

This is not meant to be harsh either, but I really think you could use some time reading this site. Keep posting hands either here or in the S&G forum.

GL

Again I understand why you may have thought this. I watched the videos and actually saw about the same play style I have so I'm happy about that. I have been tweaking my play style quite a bit to all the things I have been reading. But I do make mistakes as I should.

Please imagine the second play as being me re-raise 3 times the big blind trying to steal the blinds and someone calling resulting in the play. Is a 300 bet post flop and 500 bet on the turn (even though I don't have many outs) a good play? Then I should have folded due to the outs my opponent could have had?

[Mishra100]

Post stack sizes as well in the future.

I dont fold hand 1 ever, especially to such a tiny bet.

Hand 2 you should have folded pre-flop.

I'd head to the SnG forum, read through the stickies and post some hands there for feedback. Also use the tourney trimmer and post a whole tourney, at this stage the feedback on that will probably be the single biggest improvement you'll get to your game.

Are there instructions on how to do the trimmer? I looked into it a bit last night but couldn't find like a "entire tournament" button or w/e on pokerstars.

Thanks everyone.

[bode]

hand 1) why did you fold the flop? folding an overpair here is horrible. raise. raise. raise.

I folded because I didn't expect 5 people to call the re-raise. In my opinion I should have not bet a minimum raise.

hand 2) open limping under the gun is not a good play. period. if you never open limp a hand UTG, you wont be missing out on money. either raise or fold. limping a hand because "you can make a strong 2 pair + hand" isnt a reason to do it, i can make a strong 2 pair + hand w/ 72o, but im not going to limp it utg.

I understand why most of you said this. Honestly, although you may think I'm this crazy new person to poker, I don't normally limp hands... And I realize what I said tipped you all off which is okay. I haven't done much poker forum evaluations to know how to communicate.

Please imagine the play as being me re-raise 3 times the big blind trying to steal the blinds and someone calling resulting in the play. Is a 300 bet post flop and 500 bet on the turn (even though I don't have many outs) a good play? Then I should have folded due to the outs my opponent could have had?

if im reading it correctly, the pot is only 200 on the flop, but you bet 350. why? betting full pot is fine here, but really its hard to evaluate the play without stack sizes.

[youngsterrr]

mishra, i believe you don't know much about the basics of poker..i don't care what you think..you have more than 100 posts here and haven't read any of the amazing articles posted..be ashamed
hand 1: wtf?
hand 2: wtf?
limping UTG is 95% of the time wrong..
sometimes limping with AA KK AK could be a good play especially in FR
don't take it personally and go read allllll the stickies and then start from fresh again..

[Mishra100]

mishra, i believe you don't know much about the basics of poker..i don't care what you think..you have more than 100 posts here and haven't read any of the amazing articles posted..be ashamed
hand 1: wtf?
hand 2: wtf?
limping UTG is 95% of the time wrong..
sometimes limping with AA KK AK could be a good play especially in FR
don't take it personally and go read allllll the stickies and then start from fresh again..

wow... I've taken my free 5 dollars to about 50 dollars with the micro STG tourneys. I've adopted an even tighter style due to trapping seeming to be the best idea when facing people at this level. Trying to bluff a lot to steal blinds seems to get you in trouble as chips don't scary people when playing for 1.1 cents.

Anyways this forum is garbage, I asked for an eval later in the post to a different situation and got nothing but being flamed some more. Have a good day.

[taipan168]

Are there instructions on how to do the trimmer? I looked into it a bit last night but couldn't find like a "entire tournament" button or w/e on pokerstars.

Firstly, you need to set your PS client to save the hand histories on your hard drive. To do this, go to your PS client lobby, Options/Instant Hand History Options and click Save My Hands History.

Then, go to the trimmer at http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com...-Converter.php and follow the instructions.

As bjsaust said, if you're playing SNGs then post the tourney in the SNG forum and we'll take a look.

As for your hands:

Hand 1: I would raise a little bit less preflop - 150 is fine. As played, I would just shove all-in on the flop considering the size of the pot and your remaining stack. Alternatively, you could bet 600 and get the rest in on the turn. As the others said, I am never ever ever folding a strong overpair in this spot to such a small bet. In fact, if UTG had shoved it I would instacall.

Hand 2: Don't limp A9o from UTG. The chance of flopping two pair is about 2.2% and it is rare that you will be able to win sufficient chips to make it worthwhile. Postflop, I would bet a little less on the flop, there's no need to overbet the pot. On the turn, I would check and see what MP does, you realise that your two pair just got counterfeited and you're now behind AT, AQ and AK and are splitting the pot with A8 and below.