Broadways from the blinds

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

This is from my Operation thread, and it's an idea i have decided to incorporate into my game for the next 10k hands and see how it impacts my winrate.

3). K-10s+, K-Jo+, Q-Js in the blinds vs. CO/BTN open

First off, i don't like to 3bet in a spot like this. These hands don't play well in 3bet pots, as i am often dominated by a hand like A-Q/A-K.

(I will actually be 3betting K-Q/K-Js vs aggressive players' CO/BTN opens if i know that they call 3bets pretty light)

But i also think that calling with them is worse than i thought, since i don't have initiative/position. Lately i have been getting into tough spots in hands because i wasn't the aggressor nor in position. I just don't need to put myself in these spots versus my opponents, so my resolution is to just pitch these hands for now.


My thinking is this:

I am not signicantly better at playing after the flop than many of the regulars i face at 200NL. Therefore, playing hands out of position and without initiative (preflop aggressor) is at best slightly +EV, more likely neutral EV or slightly -EV for me.


Do you guys think this adjustment going to seriously hurt my winrate?

[jyms]

If you don't already have it, put the stats for Att. to steal blinds on your hud. It will allow you to more comfortably play and/or 3 bet against those CO/button openers. I tend to 3 bet these hands a lot more from the blinds against aggressive stealers. They are much easier to get away from, and most addicted stealers will fold to that 3 bet.

[Miffed22001]

im thinking of 3betting some of these against non-fishy regs. Afterall if they stea lwith them they arent calling a 3bet with them.

[zook]

Att. to steal blinds is a great stat to have up. Over 30% and you should be 3betting or calling and c/r'ing a lot. With broadways I often like the latter b/c you're always going to get a cbet on broadway-high flop from an aggro player and sometimes two barrels. Of course you're occasionally dominated which can be expensive, but their range is so wide I think calling can still be profitable.

[Miffed22001]

i think you either decide not to 3bet a button opener with your whole range, or you 3bet a whole part of your range

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Att. to steal blinds is a great stat to have up. Over 30% and you should be 3betting or calling and c/r'ing a lot. With broadways I often like the latter b/c you're always going to get a cbet on broadway-high flop from an aggro player and sometimes two barrels. Of course you're occasionally dominated which can be expensive, but their range is so wide I think calling can still be profitable.

i am a HUD donk, and after a few minutes looking how to add additional numbers to the display i gave up. The tutorial at the site was not very helpful once i had configured it to my PT database.

I think the problem for me was that i wasn't good at differentiating between a double barrel with air and two streets of value when my opponents were betting.

So clearly it's mostly a matter of me needing to be better at hand reading. But i think the other element is that at 200NL most players (barring exceptionally aggressive/spewy 200NL regs/donks) aren't playing marginal hands past the flop so if i check/raise with TPGK and get called i am often dominated.

And if i knew i were going to be playing a hand with a very aggro or weak opponent, i would probably 3bet/call since my hand would be way ahead of their range, or they would play so poorly i could get good value out of my hand even OOP/i wouldn't get value "betted" to death.

[zook]

i am a HUD donk, and after a few minutes looking how to add additional numbers to the display i gave up.

Go to Layout Manager, pick your stat from the dropdown manager and check the box to make it "Visible". Then the stat will show up in the middle of the table and you can drag it to each respective seat position. Make sure to match 1 with 1, 2 with 2, etc

I think the problem for me was that i wasn't good at differentiating between a double barrel with air and two streets of value when my opponents were betting.

Yeah, this is definitely where it gets tricky. Call the second barrel b/c the third barrel is almost NEVER a bluff

But i think the other element is that at 200NL most players (barring exceptionally aggressive/spewy 200NL regs/donks) aren't playing marginal hands past the flop so if i check/raise with TPGK and get called i am often dominated.

Well, I don't actually like a c/r with TPGK, I like c/c. c/r turns your hand into a bluff, so I like to use it as a bluff when I whiff the flop (and balance with some draws, monsters and vulnerable pairs).

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Thanks a bunch zook for explaining how to adjust the HUD stats.

I have added the Att. to Steal Blinds/Continuation Bet Frequency, and now i can finally start beating 200NL for 20BB/100!!!

Before i finished 10k hands, i went back to playing some broadways OOP and without initiative. Hopefully things turn out okay!

[Da GOAT]

Tricky topic indeed. so true that it depends on opp stealing %/VPIP%.

if i call and hit TP im c/c'ing alot. im 3betting alot more from the blinds vs LP openers nowadays.