Two tough river spots

[Numbr2intheWorld]

opponent is very laggro preflop, raising almost every hand in position. However, he is pretty passive post and this is only the 2nd time he's ever c/r me in about 100 hands.

PokerStars Game #11895917498: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/09/05 - 22:04:10 (ET)
Table 'Thalassa II' 2-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: McPot3 ($215.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($232.50 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $1
McPot3: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Qd]
Hero: raises $4 to $6
McPot3: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [8s Tc Qs]
McPot3: checks
Hero: bets $10
McPot3: raises $13 to $23
Hero: calls $13
*** TURN *** [8s Tc Qs] [2h]
McPot3: bets $33
Hero: calls $33
*** RIVER *** [8s Tc Qs 2h] [Qc]
McPot3: bets $57
Hero: raises $113.50 to $170.50 and is all-in


Villain in this hand is semi loose aggro pre, but seems pretty straightforward. He showed me a utter bluff in a 3-bet pot where the flop came QQ2, and the turn and river were blanks. I have been leading a lot of turns when he checked behind. I assume he'd bet FD's on the flop. The reason i want to call here is that i'm pretty sure he wouldn't raise two pair on the river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($282.25)
Hero ($223)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, Q.
Button raises to $6, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12) 4, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($12) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

River: ($32) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $26, Button raises to $88, Hero calls $62.

Final Pot: $208

[bigspenda73]

I cannot put him on a hand at all in hand 2, therefore I call

[elipsesjeff]

The Q pairing in Hand one really doesn't improve your hand so much that you'll get a worse hand to call your shove. In hand 2 I don't know what you're ahead of that he plays this way.

[The Odds God]

1.hand is fine
2.hand is a fold. People don't bluff raise river on these limits. Especially you say he is straightforward.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Uhhh hand 1 IMO sucks, I just call. If he raised more on the flop i'd just muck given your read.
hand 2: Pretty easy fold to a raise, this is just one of those spots where you have to look at it from opps perspective. If he has a Q would he raise this? Probably not, unless its AQ or KQ in which case your beat. Your repping something pretty strong, if he thought you were bluffing he'd call any sort of weak hand and this is one of those raises that looks like he just hit his draw. Anyways pretty easy fold.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

$20 on stars to the first person who guesses the opponents hand on hand 2.

[Warpe]

JT

[Ash256]

$20 on stars to the first person who guesses the opponents hand on hand 2.

T7

[bigspenda73]

AA

[IowaSkinsFan]

Ac3c

JT is way too obvious.

[zook]

7c5c

[The Odds God]

7c3c

[Numbr2intheWorld]

$20 on stars to the first person who guesses the opponents hand on hand 2.

T7

WINNER, what's your sn?

[Ash256]

$20 on stars to the first person who guesses the opponents hand on hand 2.

T7

WINNER, what's your sn?

Awesome.. it's R3sistance.

[IowaSkinsFan]

well me and zook had the right idea at least.

[sauce123]

i rly dont like a call in hand 2

[bigspenda73]

Someone plz break his range down though, what hands make it to the river with his line that beat us.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Someone plz break his range down though, what hands make it to the river with his line that beat us.

Here it's more like why in gods name would he bluff? You're right, he's taking an unstandard line with whatever he has, but his bluff % is so low he has to have two pair or better.

And btw, whoever thinks a shove on hand 1 is okay, you're on crack. We're shoving into a better hand probably 75% of the time at least.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Yeah, as elispse jeff said, on hand 1 the Q doesn't really do anything because all the hands that were beating me before are beating me now besides T8, and T8 isn't calling a shove.

And i don't think it's a bluff that low% of the time. Like i said, i had been leading on the turn so much after he checked behind, he may have just gotten sick of it and made a terrible bluff.