Suited Connectors....WTF?

[martindcx1e]

I've heard it said before that the way people play sc's separates the big winners from the mediocre winners. I've seen people swear by them and talk about how much they profit with them. The most common ways that I've heard to play them are in multi-way pots. I play full ring, and I hate them. I've tried limping them behind limpers and/or raising with them in LP when opening or behind 1 limper and they've never shown much profit for me. Maybe I suck at poker but bad things seem to happen when I play sc's. When a lot of money goes in with my sc flushes in big multi-way pots I've been over-flushed TONS. I don't think it's just bad luck. Many times my straight outs are dirty from flush draws on the flop and I'm forced to give my hand up. I'm starting to think that profit comes from these hands by calling raises PF, hitting the flop when HU and surprising Mr. Overpair....but that could get expensive too. What do you guys think?

[Beck]

suited connectors when raised desquise your, when a villian has top pair and call u down.

when limped they are played for straights and flushes.

don't play them with top pair unless u know you have the best hand. otherwise you will get burned.

I too find them very profitable when limped in in multiway pots or when I raise em in late position and I flop something great, and it is hidden cause villian thnks I have some pair or AK, AQ, AJ and so on.

[martindcx1e]

suited connectors when raised desquise your, when a villian has top pair and call u down.

when limped they are played for straights and flushes.

don't play them with top pair unless u know you have the best hand. otherwise you will get burned.

I too find them very profitable when limped in in multiway pots or when I raise em in late position and I flop something great, and it is hidden cause villian thnks I have some pair or AK, AQ, AJ and so on.

i don't play them for their pair value - i never said that in my post

[Cocco_Bill]

If you play suited connectors aggressively you will have to be good at playing poker with 2 blank cards. That is sensing weakness, reading opponents, reading the board and putting opponents on accurate hand ranges. Sometimes the SC's will hit and be well conceiled when they do so.

[Beck]

then there should not be any reason why you loose alot of money with em. iether you have a made hand or you fold. if you got a made hand then you should be making money. if you fold you should not be loosing a lot of money.

[martindcx1e]

then there should not be any reason why you loose alot of money with em. iether you have a made hand or you fold. if you got a made hand then you should be making money. if you fold you should not be loosing a lot of money.

it's not that i lose tons of money. they've just never made very much money. i lose some big pots with under-flushes. other than that they don't show much variance good or bad.

[Wyvver]

Maybe you are laying your SC'ers down to fast when you hit a straight or flush?
Your hand might be disguised so good that someone with TP/2pair/set plays very aggressive thinking he is ahead, so you are laying your hand down thinking he is holding a higher straight/flush.

Edit: You cant expect to make huge profits with SC'ers I think. You just have to play them, because if you dont you are basically playing only PPs and Paint, which makes you very predictable.
Playing SC's is good to mix up your game, while still having the potential for flushes/straights.

[Miffed22001]

I've heard it said before that the way people play sc's separates the big winners from the mediocre winners. I've seen people swear by them and talk about how much they profit with them. The most common ways that I've heard to play them are in multi-way pots. I play full ring, and I hate them. I've tried limping them behind limpers and/or raising with them in LP when opening or behind 1 limper and they've never shown much profit for me. Maybe I suck at poker but bad things seem to happen when I play sc's. When a lot of money goes in with my sc flushes in big multi-way pots I've been over-flushed TONS. I don't think it's just bad luck. Many times my straight outs are dirty from flush draws on the flop and I'm forced to give my hand up. I'm starting to think that profit comes from these hands by calling raises PF, hitting the flop when HU and surprising Mr. Overpair....but that could get expensive too. What do you guys think?

1. you may not be putting your opps on cards/ranges often enough and taking a way a number of small pots.
2. you dont bluff enough i bet, or dont bluff 'a lot'
3.you lack a significant post-flop edge because you havent done the above two yet.
4. your postfop aggression factor isnt high enough. I play a flush draw like a set a lot i.e im getting all in on the river regardless so i play the pot that way, and that aggressivly.
5. you dont pick the right opponent to play them against.
6. you dont play enough on stars where obv AA<87s all the time baby!

[martindcx1e]

Maybe you are laying your SC'ers down to fast when you hit a straight or flush?
Your hand might be disguised so good that someone with TP/2pair/set plays very aggressive thinking he is ahead, so you are laying your hand down thinking he is holding a higher straight/flush.

Edit: You cant expect to make huge profits with SC'ers I think. You just have to play them, because if you dont you are basically playing only PPs and Paint, which makes you very predictable.
Playing SC's is good to mix up your game, while still having the potential for flushes/straights.

no i don't lay down straights and flushes. i don't chase straights when flush draws are on the board. i've gotten flush-over-flush a bunch when playing sc's. one thing i don't like about a lot of people's advice for sc's is to play them in big multi-way pots. if i have a 7-high flush in a 6-way pot i'm very afraid of a higher flush...mainly Axs. do i lay it down? no. i don't play for stacks when i have a straight and there's 3 to a flush on the board (unless i put opponent on a non-flush hand i can beat). i'm just wondering where people's profit comes from who say sc's make up for a lot of their profit.

[Miffed22001]

Maybe you are laying your SC'ers down to fast when you hit a straight or flush?
Your hand might be disguised so good that someone with TP/2pair/set plays very aggressive thinking he is ahead, so you are laying your hand down thinking he is holding a higher straight/flush.

Edit: You cant expect to make huge profits with SC'ers I think. You just have to play them, because if you dont you are basically playing only PPs and Paint, which makes you very predictable.
Playing SC's is good to mix up your game, while still having the potential for flushes/straights.

no i don't lay down straights and flushes. i don't chase straights when flush draws are on the board. i've gotten flush-over-flush a bunch when playing sc's. one thing i don't like about a lot of people's advice for sc's is to play them in big multi-way pots. if i have a 7-high flush in a 6-way pot i'm very afraid of a higher flush...mainly Axs. do i lay it down? no. i don't play for stacks when i have a straight and there's 3 to a flush on the board (unless i put opponent on a non-flush hand i can beat). i'm just wondering where people's profit comes from who say sc's make up for a lot of their profit.

playing small ball and stealing pots when your opp has nothing. Often adds to your ability to create action on your big hands.

[martindcx1e]

so this isn't typical for sc's?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=32888

[Miffed22001]

so this isn't typical for sc's?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=32888

my first comment is lol. (hh is from stars)

My edit will contain something better

Edit: what is there to see? Do i call 4bbs raises when the guy has a 1%pfr? answer: yes always, because 1% pfr'ers usually take AA way way too far.

[Rondavu]

suited connectors are more important than ever in position. That's because a lot of people use pokertracker now as well with HUD. Raising your SC keeps your image ripe, while allowing you to play people off flops and occassionally drain the defenseless.

[biondino]

I just checked - suited connectors win at 7.5BB/100 for me, but if I add suited gappers in my BB/100 falls to 0.3. Still positive, though, and still worth playing every time. The more I play them, the better I'll get.

[Cocco_Bill]

I just checked - suited connectors win at 7.5BB/100 for me, but if I add suited gappers in my BB/100 falls to 0.3. Still positive, though, and still worth playing every time. The more I play them, the better I'll get.

Are you including AKs KQs JQs TJs or just the lower SC's?