Quote Originally Posted by Greedo017
me and laeelin made this point like 6 months ago and everyone jumped on us for being stupid, but it is very true. like it or not, vs. a lot of people in full ring games, KK vs 3&4bet's preflop is not getting the best of things a significant enough amount to be worth paying attention to it and folding when appropriate.
agreed. i think it's odd how most of us tend to give players credit for big hands post-flop until shown otherwise, but don't give the same credit pre-flop.