Implied odds here?

[drtofu66]

Please help me think through this hand.

Assume even ~100BB stacks all around. 25NL full ring. No reads.

We get AdQh in CO.

MP3 limps, I raise to $1.25, BB calls, MP3 calls.

3 players, pot ~$3.90
Flop JcTc5s

BB bets $1, MP3 calls, I call [I considered folding with the 2 suited flop and 2 others interested and only ~6:1 pot odds but such a small bet in a growing pot with 3 only outs to the nuts. If I I call and turn a non-club A or Q I'll reassess, possibly call if the action stays weak. OK to call that and see the turn?

Turn 6h. Pot ~$6.90

BB bets $2, MP3 calls. Do you call here? ~6:1 pot odds, 3 non-club Kings are my only clean outs. Wimpy action so I may not get paid off even if I hit. If the Kc hits-- call up to 1/2 pot, but fold to any bet/raise action?

Alternately, if the turn is Kh with the same turn action-- what do you do? We stayed in without proper pot odds, hit the nuts but can still be outdrawn (because everyone freaking stays in with 6 high flush draws at this site/level). We have to raise but to how much? Pot is $10.90, $2 to call, ~$13 total pot if I just call so make it $13 to go (raise $11)? How would you size the bet when the lead bet is so small?

[Pelion]

I usually call this flop but fold if I miss on the turn.

If you hit on the turn you have 2 streets to raise and extract value aswell as charging flush chasers if noone has a made hand.

If you hit on the river the flush draws cant pay you off anymore and weaker made hands will only have to pay 1 streets worth of raise so implied odds here are MUCH smaller.


If I hit on the turn Ill Raise to about $10. Pot is $10.90, $2 to call, ~$13 total pot if I make it $10 he will have to call $8 more into a $20.90 pot. Thats big enough to not worry too much about laying down if the flush card comes.

Given the action I think a set is extremely unlikely so we dont have to worry about the board pairing too much. Obviously if we get reraised we can re-evaluate (and make another raise or push).

[thnwkd]

We stayed in without proper pot odds, hit the nuts but can still be outdrawn

This seems as good a reason to fold as any... save yourself the headache on a marginal hand, there will be other hands.
Also i noticed you used the word "wimpy", forgive me if i read too much into this, but you should try to play without emotion or ego.

[MrSmiley23]

IMO you cant be using implied odds for tptk/2nd tk + flop bet was so weak that im pretty sure even if the K hit for your str8 you're probably not going to get paid off unless someone flopped a set/top 2 pair