pre-flop question

[spino1i]

Suppose you are dealt TT on the button, and 6(!) people limp in before you. Now this on a 200 NL table that is normally tight as a rock and with only a few limpers if any and generally a pre-flop raise. Do you raise or just call for fear of someone holding KK or AA and reraising back?

[EricE]

I would raise it and expect to be check-raised.

[spino1i]

See I did raise, and guess what happened? Someone reraised back pre-flop and I lost my raise money lol

[Theeggman]

See I did raise, and guess what happened? Someone reraised back pre-flop and I lost my raise money lol

That's what you want. You saved some of your money by getting the info preflop. That's why I would raise it.

How much did you raise? I would probably go 3xBB or so. Then someone goes over the top, I'd check the odds I was getting and decide if I want to see the flop.

[EricE]

Don't listen to me. I don't have the exp to post an opinion on 200NL. Still, I would expect a reraise there.

[Element187]

i dont play NL200

but i would raise about 8x the BB to try to get everyone to fold back.. depending how much its reraised back at me, i might consider calling it to outflop them and destack them.

[spino1i]

well the problem with them reraising is that you throw away a bunch of money as well as a good hand with position. If you limp in, you can play for a set, and destack some poor soul if you hit a set. This is what you want to do if you think a higher pocket pair is lurking out there somewhere..

[a500lbgorilla]

Suppose you are dealt TT on the button, and 6(!) people limp in before you. Now this on a 200 NL table that is normally tight as a rock and with only a few limpers if any and generally a pre-flop raise. Do you raise or just call for fear of someone holding KK or AA and reraising back?

Um, it's clearly a limp to set scenario.

-'rilla

[a500lbgorilla]

i dont play NL200

but i would raise about 8x the BB to try to get everyone to fold back.. depending how much its reraised back at me, i might consider calling it to outflop them and destack them.

Why? there's no reason to start creating a huge pot to play into with TT. You can easily just limp and try to set, or feeler bet a low flop.

You shouldnt be afraid of AA or KK, but you dont wanna go crazy just becuase you have a pair.

-'rilla

[Xanadu]

I'm with 'rilla, limp it and hope for a set ... you don't want to be pushed out by a bigger pp preflop. I've run into some players that try to trap pre-flop ... they won't raise QQ or better unless someone else raises then they come over the top big. Against these players I like the pre-flop info raise with hands that are easily dominated by big pocket pairs when they do hit the flop ... AK-AT, KQ, KJ. Some of these guys are set off with just a minraise too.

You don't mind seeing a flop with TT against AA. Seeing a flop with AQ against AA sucks. It's much easier to know when you are ahead with the med/low pocket pairs.

[DimitriT]

Um, it's clearly a limp to set scenario.

-'rilla

yep. I agree.

[face]

However, at a weak/tight table you can also win the 6 limpers' money a good percentage of the time with a raise, and you can play your reads post-flop if you get a caller or two. If the table is really tricky/silly and is limping big hands for reraise traps, the limp is more right. Finally, limping might not be that great if you are up against a bunch of weak tighties who won't pay your set off if you hit (don't go broke in an unraised pot, etc.).

[a500lbgorilla]

However, at a weak/tight table you can also win the 6 limpers' money a good percentage of the time with a raise, and you can play your reads post-flop if you get a caller or two. If the table is really tricky/silly and is limping big hands for reraise traps, the limp is more right. Finally, limping might not be that great if you are up against a bunch of weak tighties who won't pay your set off if you hit (don't go broke in an unraised pot, etc.).

You're still volunteering to walk right into a pile of deep and smelly shit.

-'rilla

[drmcboy]

Limp.