How's this call?

[TylerK]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t12865)
MP2 (t32245)
TylerK (t8825)
CO (t12226)
Button (t31340)
SB (t11405)
BB (t7925)
UTG (t5898)
UTG+1 (t44952)

Preflop: TylerK is MP3 with A, K.
4 folds, TylerK raises to t1200, 3 folds, BB calls t800.

Flop: (t2175) 3, 6, Q (2 players)
BB bets t6700 (All-In), TylerK calls t6700.

Turn: (t15575) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15575) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15575
Main Pot: t15575 (t15575), returned to BB.

[vqc]

How close were you to the final table?

[TylerK]

How close were you to the final table?

Nowhere near it.

[a500lbgorilla]

Are you calling becuase he's bluffing and becuase you have the A?

Do you really need to risk 7k chips there?

-'rilla

[Demiparadigm]

That is horrible.

[TylerK]

That is horrible.

Sorry, you need an explanation if you want to play.

[vqc]

If you were near the final table, then I would think that it is a really easy fold. Even in this situation, you do not seem to be on the verge of blinding out, it doesn't seem like you need to make a move to double up.

If he has a queen, i think your at a coin flip, if he has 2 pair already, your way behind, if he has a flush, then ur really behind. So, at best your at a coin flip in a situation where you dont need to risk chips.

Fold em.

[Trikflow77]

If he is paired, you are behind, it is not a coin flip. I think this is a thin call, I would not make it unless it was a rebuy tourny. You have some chips, why rish the rest of them on a draw? You could pick off a bluff, but the majority of the time you will be behind here.

[vqc]

Against all the possible Qx combinations that doesnt give the BB two pair, hes only a little behind in the equity

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

112,860 games 0.020 secs 5,643,000 games/sec

Board: 3h 6h Qh
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 49.7023 % [ 00.50 00.00 ] { AhKs }
Hand 2: 50.2977 % [ 00.50 00.00 ] { AQs, KQs, QJs-Q7s, Q5s-Q4s, Q2s, AQo, KQo, QJo-Q7o, Q5o-Q4o, Q2o }

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd call, you have good odds to nearly double up and even if he has top pair, you still have a flush draw with 2 overs.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'd call, you have good odds to nearly double up and even if he has top pair, you still have a flush draw with 2 overs.

He doesn't need to double up.

He shouldn't be gambling like this unless he gains some amazing edge with a huge stack of chips (Rippy-style).

He's pushing very small edges in a tourny at a very wrong time.

-'rilla

[poskid_1982]

Ballsy call...I like it but think you got busted by an AQ.

[poskid_1982]

Sorry no way he's AQ. Maybe a small PP.

[TylerK]

Let me pose a question to get this discussion moving in the right direction. The average player calls a preflop raise, and is first to act heads up after the flop. The flop is a little scary.
1. What does the average player do with a monster?
2. What does the average player do with a miss?
3. What does the average player do if he catches a small piece?

[TylerK]

He doesn't need to double up.

He shouldn't be gambling like this unless he gains some amazing edge with a huge stack of chips (Rippy-style).

Wrong. A larger stack of chips is ALWAYS an edge due to the fact that when you catch a really great hand, the most you can do is double up. The more chips you have when you double, the further ahead of the field it puts you.

This is, of course, aside from all the other advantages that having a big stack brings, which apply to anyone regardless of whether they are hyper-LAgg or not.

[a500lbgorilla]

Let me pose a question to get this discussion moving in the right direction. The average player calls a preflop raise, and is first to act heads up after the flop. The flop is a little scary.
1. What does the average player do with a monster?
2. What does the average player do with a miss?
3. What does the average player do if he catches a small piece?

Ah, I see. Opp reraises with any pocket pair preflop. Opp slows down with flush on flop. Opp feeler bets most pairs on flop. Opp goes crazy with heart on flop trying to force things (Especially the K). You've got the case ace and him outkicked unless he's holding KQ.

Touche, wise man.

I was focusing on the overcall holding no pair and gambling half your stack when the blinds don't dictate that sort of action.

But there's still something to the idea of not gambling so much here. You could be ahead here, but you could also easily be chasing a flush for 2/3rds your stack.

I'll give you this one. Reduced to 4k, you've still got a fighting chance.

-'rilla

[a500lbgorilla]

He doesn't need to double up.

He shouldn't be gambling like this unless he gains some amazing edge with a huge stack of chips (Rippy-style).

Wrong. A larger stack of chips is ALWAYS an edge due to the fact that when you catch a really great hand, the most you can do is double up. The more chips you have when you double, the further ahead of the field it puts you.

This is, of course, aside from all the other advantages that having a big stack brings, which apply to anyone regardless of whether they are hyper-LAgg or not.

I agree that it gives you some edge to have a stack (obviously) but you can also wait for a better spot.

-'rilla

[TylerK]

Results:

BB has J A (high card, ace).